The Entitlement Mentality

[JLM]

It wasn't tay that said the above, it was you.




So, back up your contention. Show me the figures that prove mcdonalds would have to raise their prices significantly.

How much were McDonald's employees paid when the price of burgers was 35 cents?

 

[gerryh]

How much were McDonald's employees paid when the price of burgers was 35 cents?

No, hard numbers. Prove your contention. Show that an increase in wages only would mean a significant increase in product. You made the statement, now back it up.

 

[JLM]

No, hard numbers. Prove your contention. Show that an increase in wages only would mean a significant increase in product. You made the statement, now back it up.

History backs it up, Gerry, I've been watching for 50 years. Sure if they increase the wage by 30% tomorrow the cost isn't going to go up in a day or a week but in time it will pretty much match the exact increase. . it's not just, the cost of the in house labour but the cost of the supplies they bring in, the transportation costs.., the increase in hydro, gas, phone, utilities. You don't think Big Mac's employees are going to be the only ones getting an increase do you?

 

[L Gilbert]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news Les, but there is a distinct possibility that despite your having paid a specific amount into CPP, there is a strong possibility that you will not receive fair compensation back when the time comes for you to collect... This takes me to your comment that "I have a right to whatever gov'ts say I have a right to" - the problem with this position is that the gvt changes the rules at their leisure... The CPP entitlement/benefit that you signed-up for (so to speak) has drastically changed as a function of the gvt having changed the rules over the years.

Yes, the gvt says that you're entitled to it, but I wager that the version that will exist when the time comes will be a shadow of what it was when you initially started paying

The way things are going, my friend, I will be happy if I get any of it back. But anyways, we elect a representative gov't and I have accepted that it won't do what I expect it to do. Either way, my description of entitlement still stands as being accurate. grumpy is talking about some people's false sense of entitlement, not entitlement itself.

 

[JLM]

The way things are going, my friend, I will be happy if I get any of it back. But anyways, we elect a representative gov't and I have accepted that it won't do what I expect it to do. Wither way, my description of entitlement still stands as being accurate. grumpy is talking about some people's false sense of entitlement, not entitlement itself.

I think it all depends on two things, what age category you're in and how long you are going to live. For myself I'm not too concerned, the first few years I was paying in they took about $80 a year, which I think is fair trade for the $7000 I was drawing starting at age 60. Maybe at today's rates it won't be so lucrative. Another thing I heard was the Gov't robbed the fund to pay some W.C.B./disability cases, but I have no way of proving that. Sounds like something Gov'ts would do, if they think they can get away with it.

 

[gerryh]

History backs it up, Gerry, I've been watching for 50 years. Sure if they increase the wage by 30% tomorrow the cost isn't going to go up in a day or a week but in time it will pretty much match the exact increase. . it's not just, the cost of the in house labour but the cost of the supplies they bring in, the transportation costs.., the increase in hydro, gas, phone, utilities. You don't think Big Mac's employees are going to be the only ones getting an increase do you?

and you can prove that an increase in minimum wage will effect all of the above...... look forward to your proof.

 

[Kreskin]

Minimum wage or not, I think wages will rise more than the rate of inflation over the next decade or two.
Corporations are having difficulty keeping employees. Mainly due to poor wages, whether they admit it or not. Part of the tenure problem is corporate self induced. For years they've been telling people that times have changed and you can expect to have many different jobs over a lifetime. They've sent that message out for a very long time. It tells employees "we are not loyal to you". Without loyalty to their employees they are finding employees have no loyalty back. The revolving door is growing exponentially and is very costly. I do believe the issue will become a much more public one in the years to come.

 

[JLM]

and you can prove that an increase in minimum wage will effect all of the above...... look forward to your proof.

You may be right, Gerry, maybe next time will be different than the past twenty times. Nothing I can say will tell as much as the next 3 or 4 years.

 

[tay]

Queen down to her last million due to courtiers' overspending, report finds






Queen down to her last million due to courtiers' overspending, report finds - Telegraph

 

[Machjo]

It is not incompetence, rather a deliberate process to keep as many useless bureaucraps as possible employed.

Maybe.

 

[55Mercury]

I think it was Tay who used Walmart and McDonalds as examples and I was just addressing that. You might have to wait a long time to see my foot in my mouth. But you never know, you keep trying you may get get lucky some day. -

did anyone else's ears pop when said firmly planted foot pulled out of said mouth?

 

[damngrumpy]

Blame it on the bureaucrats eh? How about putting the blame where it belongs.
On the politicians that keep changing the rules and procedures. The government
decides to change the name of a program or a department and change happens.
Business Cards, Letterheads, Stationary with name change training of all the
employees to the new procedure the Minister remodels the office over a hundred
grand right there. Its endless and the employees comply with change. Right now
in many departments there are not enough actual employees to do the job but
there are lots of managers.
Once they get rid of Mr Harper the civil service will need to be rebuilt to serve the
needs of Canadians. They have gutted the system and now people don't have the
resources to do the job. Do you know how governments actually do that including
this one? They offer to hire them back but they are not officially on the employment
roll and it ends up costing as much or more in the long run.

 

[JLM]

Blame it on the bureaucrats eh? How about putting the blame where it belongs.
On the politicians that keep changing the rules and procedures. The government
decides to change the name of a program or a department and change happens.
Business Cards, Letterheads, Stationary with name change training of all the
employees to the new procedure the Minister remodels the office over a hundred
grand right there. Its endless and the employees comply with change. Right now
in many departments there are not enough actual employees to do the job but
there are lots of managers.
Once they get rid of Mr Harper the civil service will need to be rebuilt to serve the
needs of Canadians. They have gutted the system and now people don't have the
resources to do the job. Do you know how governments actually do that including
this one? They offer to hire them back but they are not officially on the employment
roll and it ends up costing as much or more in the long run.

How much money is squandered from self important bureaucrats, "empire building"?

Many of our problems are a direct result of government intervention in the work place. There are a multitude of areas where this happens to our detriment. First we have multiple overlaping jurisdictions which lead to turf wars where money bets squandered in the bureaucracy but little is accomplished. Education, being a provincial jurisdiction does not lend itself to changes in employment trends. Even at higher levels there is a mishmash of rules and old boys clubs that inhibit mobility. An easy example is a doctor trained in BC not being able to go to Ontario without writing another exam there. Same goes with trades outside of interprovincial TQs.

One of the most useless endeavours in B.C. about 20 years ago under the N.D.P. government was an initiative to fill jobs with visible minorities and I attended a meeting at the time in Qualicum Beach where we were brain washed for a couple of hours. I told them then and there to fill the jobs with the applicant most capable of doing it. Of course I was the "joke of the day". What it boiled down to was a healthy, highly skilled, intelligent Caucasian didn't qualify.

 

[Dixie Cup]

I must have missed where people were bashing business.

Where have you been?

 

[Mowich]

 

[Mowich]

 

[spilledthebeer]

Blame it on the bureaucrats eh? How about putting the blame where it belongs.
On the politicians that keep changing the rules and procedures. The government
decides to change the name of a program or a department and change happens.
Business Cards, Letterheads, Stationary with name change training of all the
employees to the new procedure the Minister remodels the office over a hundred
grand right there. Its endless and the employees comply with change. Right now
in many departments there are not enough actual employees to do the job but
there are lots of managers.
Once they get rid of Mr Harper the civil service will need to be rebuilt to serve the
needs of Canadians. They have gutted the system and now people don't have the
resources to do the job. Do you know how governments actually do that including
this one? They offer to hire them back but they are not officially on the employment
roll and it ends up costing as much or more in the long run.

Oh....................that is NOT a HARPER TRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Encouraging people to retire for the sake of business "economies".............................


and then re-hiring people as very highly paid "consultants" who are still collecting their civil service union HOG PAY.......................


so they get even more gravy than before thanks to those WONDERFUL "consulting fees"....................................


is VERY DEFINITELY A LIE-beral Trick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And it was apparently PERFECTED at the old LIE-beral dominated Ontari-owe Hydro Corp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!