The Election Of The Greatest Con-Man In Recent History

[El Barto]

election of the Greatest Con Man in history?
What? stealing an election wasn't?
Starting a costly war under false pretext wasn't?

I really really wonder what Obama would do if he wasn't handed a country in ruin?
You right wing nuts have your head so far up your a$$ its not funny.
Funny how its always the right wing nut job that are calling him the 'savior' and have unreal expectations of him after seven months in power.
just pathetic

 

[SirJosephPorter]

HEy Anna, I was just getting to like you, but then you bad mouthed my buddy, Big Ronnie- probably THE greatest President of the 20th Century. :lol::lol::lol:

Big Ronnie was a great communicator, not a great president, he was a lousy president. When it came to economy, he simply went on spending spree with borrowed money; he started the long tradition of ‘borrow and spend’ conservatism. Subsequent conservatives Presidents and PMs (here in Canada) took their cue from Reagan.

In terms of foreign policy, he was racked with scandals such as Iran Contra. Reagan was a great communicator and won two elections for Republicans, but he was a lousy president. Mercifully, none of the legislations he passed is in existence today, except for borrow and spend economics (unlike the numerous legislations passed by Johnson).

Reagan is however, still remembered by some of his great sayings, such as ‘trees cause pollution’, and ‘ketchup is a vegetable’ (he cut spending for school lunches for poor kids drastically and to keep within the letter of the law, he decreed that schools should count ketchup as a vegetable).

 

[ironsides]

To most Americans, Ronnie was one of the great Presidents. Why would others try and follow his lead if that weren't true? As far as foreign policies. he and Gorbachev ended the Cold War that alone is reason enough.

As a result of this past 2008 election, this is what some think, and what we got.
Obama Youth Brigade March in Formation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOtGr1JFCnE​

Sorry about the double image.​

In your favor: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,924901,00.html

 

[JLM]

"To most Americans, Ronnie was one of the great Presidents. Why would others try and follow his lead if that weren't true? As far as foreign policies. he and Gorbachev ended the Cold War that alone is reason enough."- You got that absolutely right, Ironsides. There was always an aura of optimism around Ronnie, which is just as if not more important than a lot of the tangibles. He just had a way of making people feel good.

 

[JLM]

Big Ronnie was a great communicator, not a great president, he was a lousy president. When it came to economy, he simply went on spending spree with borrowed money; he started the long tradition of ‘borrow and spend’ conservatism. Subsequent conservatives Presidents and PMs (here in Canada) took their cue from Reagan.

In terms of foreign policy, he was racked with scandals such as Iran Contra. Reagan was a great communicator and won two elections for Republicans, but he was a lousy president. Mercifully, none of the legislations he passed is in existence today, except for borrow and spend economics (unlike the numerous legislations passed by Johnson).

Reagan is however, still remembered by some of his great sayings, such as ‘trees cause pollution’, and ‘ketchup is a vegetable’ (he cut spending for school lunches for poor kids drastically and to keep within the letter of the law, he decreed that schools should count ketchup as a vegetable).

You've already stated this several times, S.J.and I respect that opinion, BUT DON'T FORGET, that doesn't make it factual.

 

[TenPenny]

There was always an aura of optimism around Ronnie, which is just as if not more important than a lot of the tangibles. He just had a way of making people feel good. [/FONT]

Easy to be optimistic if you're clueless.

But that's what the voters often want.

 

[YukonJack]

"Easy to be optimistic if you're clueless.

But that's what the voters often want."

Excellent observation, TenPenny! And no truer words have ever been spoken about Obama and his optimistic, "YES, WE CAN!" acolytes.

 

[EagleSmack]

Big Ronnie was a great communicator, not a great president, he was a lousy president. When it came to economy, he simply went on spending spree with borrowed money; he started the long tradition of ‘borrow and spend’ conservatism. Subsequent conservatives Presidents and PMs (here in Canada) took their cue from Reagan.

Gee... I wonder who else is doing this? :lol:

 

[TenPenny]

"Easy to be optimistic if you're clueless.

But that's what the voters often want."

Excellent observation, TenPenny! And no truer words have ever been spoken about Obama and his optimistic, "YES, WE CAN!" acolytes.

Name me a recent PotUS that doesn't fit that category.

 

[YukonJack]

Thanks for the videos, ironsides.

I would like to see ten years in the future to see what these brain-washed robots will have achieved.

 

[TenPenny]

I like the criticism of Obama for being like Reagan.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You've already stated this several times, S.J.and I respect that opinion, BUT DON'T FORGET, that doesn't make it factual.

Really? Do you deny that Reagan went on a spending spree like a drunken sailor? Do you deny that he started the ‘borrow and spend’ conservative tradition in recent memory (which was later followed by other presidents and Prime ministers)? Do you deny that there was Iran Contra scandal during his presidency? Do you deny that we had the greatest stock market crash since depression during his presidency?

You may think he was the greatest president ever, that is your opinion. But you cannot deny the facts, as I have stated here. Your opinion is not based upon any facts (you cannot point to a single achievement by Reagan, except his spirit of optimism), but on emotion, on feeling.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Easy to be optimistic if you're clueless.

But that's what the voters often want.

Indeed, that is why he was called the great communicator. He made people feel good without actually doing anything. That is why he was light on achievement, heavy on hype.

But I suppose for some people it is more important to feel good, feel self impotent than to have a chicken in the pot. After all, Reagan racked up huge deficits, huge debt, but that did not concern people at that time, they benefited from the prosperity. It was for somebody else to clean up the mess left by Reagan and Bush (namely, Clinton).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Gee... I wonder who else is doing this? :lol:

Oh, so do you admit that Reagan did that? After all you did not say that Obama is doing it, you said ‘who ELSE was doing it’. So do you admit that Reagan did the same thing, borrow and spend like a drunken sailor?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I like the criticism of Obama for being like Reagan.

Obama is like Reagan when it comes to communicating, connecting with people. Let us just hope that he is better than Reagan at actually getting things done.

Indeed, I remember in the last two years of his presidency, Reagan achieved absolutely nothing (except the stock market crash). House and Senate Democrats ate him for lunch; they overrode so many of Reagan’s vetoes that it must be some kind of record. And since it requires bipartisan support to override the veto (one party cannot do it alone), it was clear that Democrats were able to persuade Republicans to vote against Reagan.

In his last two years, Reagan achieved absolutely nothing. Not that he achieved a whole lot during the other six years either (except make people feel good, of course).

 

[Cannuck]

(you cannot point to a single achievement by Reagan, except his spirit of optimism)

What were some major accomplishments of Ronald Reagan? - Yahoo! Answers

First thing he did was got the American hostages released in Iran. Carter left office with hostages in Iran, an inflation rate of 12%, unemployment 11%, and Prime interest of 21% Reaganomics, including tax cuts, tax reform, reduction in welfare, reduced all three, inflation, unemployment, and interest, which all dropped all during his Presidency. Hi lead America through Black Monday, the greatest single day loss and crash of the stock market.

He deregulated the airline industry, including breaking the air traffic controllers union, deregulated transportation. 15 million new jobs were created during his Presidency. He rebuilt the military, and had a foreign policy of peace through force. He is credited with bringing down the Soviet Union, through intimidation, forcing them to over spend on their military.

After 16 years of war, scandals, incompetency, and disastrous Presidencies of LBJ, Nixon, Ford, and Carter, President Reagan restored America's faith in government, relieved fears, and made America strong and proud again. He also reclaimed America's place as world leader.

Probably his greatest asset was his ability to bypass the media, go over Congresses head, and directly speak and connect with the American people. Thus the title "The great communicator"

Ronald Reagan: A Legacy Remembered (2002)

[FONT=arial,sans-serif]A speedy recovery was followed by speedy passage of his stimulus package in which the President had convinced forty Democrats to vote with him rather than along party lines. By 1984, Reagan’s stimulus package and the tax breaks included within it had revamped and rejuvenated the economy. Also, America’s rapid military buildup was having a huge impact on the Soviet Union by bringing to light the fact that the Communist state was feeling the economic burdens of trying to keep up with the United States militarily. It was around this time that Ronald Reagan and George Bush won re-election by one of the largest margins ever in United States history – completely obliterating the Democratic ticket of Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro – essentially wiping them off of the political landscape. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif]It was during his second term that Reagan really began to put the heat on the Russians and when he referred to the Soviet Union as an “evil empire”, many scoffed at the remark and ridiculed Reagan for saber rattling. However, it wasn’t long afterwards that the policy of “peace through strength” was proven to be an effective bargaining position as the former Soviet empire crumbled from within and soon thereafter, the Berlin Wall collapsed. Reagan would leave office with incredible approval ratings and his successes paved the way for his Vice President, George Bush, to slide right in to the Oval Office. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif]Ronald Reagan’s two terms in office saw remarkable economic growth, the reduction of tax burdens on the American people (the way it ought to be), a concerted effort to build the American military up to a true superpower status, as well as oversaw the collapse of Communism around the world. His vision of “peace through strength” was proven correct and he paved the way for a diplomatic and peaceful co-existence between the United States and the former Soviet Union. Imperceptibly, Reagan also made us proud to be Americans again. After such embarrassing events as Watergate and the discomforting presidency of Jimmy Carter, public mistrust of politicians and the political machine in general were at an all time high and it took a morally disciplined and principled leader like Ronald Reagan to bring the country back together again and to make us the proud people we always should be. He is … and will remain … one of the most revered and respected Presidents in history.
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Hoover Institution - Policy Review - How Great Was Ronald Reagan?


But history will remember Reagan as the first Cold War president to preside over eight years of unbroken peace, the first to reach an arms reduction accord with the Soviets, and the American president who helped make it possible for Mikhail Gorbachev to begin the process of restructuring Soviet society.....

This took me all of 3 minutes. Should I go on

 

[TenPenny]

But history will remember Reagan as the first Cold War president to preside over eight years of unbroken peace,

Define peace.

This, in essence, was the Reagan Doctrine: economic and political support for insurgent movements in Third World states where Marxism was supported, even if this meant supporting totalitarian regimes and unstable guerrilla alliances. Reagan's world view was contrary to earlier Cold War presidential doctrines which "were concerned with prevention, whereas the Reagan approach emphasized cure" and at any cost. Yet this emphasis on a cure was selectively applied, suggesting a less than doctrinaire approach to foreign policy. Whilst Reagan viewed communist regimes as morally evil, smaller states were treated as more evil than others.
This realist approach to power led the US into Poland with covert support of the Solidarity labour movement, the flow of aid to UNITA forces in Angola, and between US$500 million and US$2 billion worth of weapons and supplies sent to those claiming to be mujahideen in Afghanistan. The centrepiece of Reagan's covert and overt interventionism in the Third World was the Central American and Caribbeanregion. In 1983, the US invaded Grenada to "liberate" it from a "brutal gang of leftist thugs" much to the dismay of Margaret Thatcher, who condemned the military action as an invasion of a sovereign state. The foremost concern of Reagan in the region was however the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. After Reagan authorised spending to support the Contras in disrupting the Nicaraguan economy, Nicaragua sought legal action in the International Court of Justice (ICJ). After the court ruled in favour of the appellant, the US government abrogated the 1946 assurance to accept the court's rulings.

 

[Cliffy]

It is funny how often the pie in the ski turns out to be full of shyte.

 

[ironsides]

"To most Americans, Ronnie was one of the great Presidents. Why would others try and follow his lead if that weren't true? As far as foreign policies. he and Gorbachev ended the Cold War that alone is reason enough."- You got that absolutely right, Ironsides. There was always an aura of optimism around Ronnie, which is just as if not more important than a lot of the tangibles. He just had a way of making people feel good.

He was a feel good President.

 

[ironsides]

Didn't bother us one bit. Anything he did, he did well and totally supported those maintaining our peace. His people were happy.