I will once in a while, when I take the boys to cadets. But I tend to just buy books to read online, or order hard copies online.
The Conspiracy Cult
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I don't accept everything I'm told without question, but I also subscribe to the idea that in most cases the most obvious explanation is usually the truth.
What is obvious to you is not always obvious to someone else. The way I see it, it is polarization that is the culprit in all issues. We tend to say someone is smart if we agree with them and stupid if we don't. And of course, that is not necessarily true. People tend to be selective in their acceptance of information and ignore that which doesn't reinforce their opinion. Opinions are based on life experiences and so people will have vastly varying opinions. Understanding the human mind and how it functions will allow a person to be right (in their mind) in spite of the fact that their opinion disagrees with yours.
Nothing is ever obvious because we rarely have all the information. There are far more unanswered questions than answered ones in most cercumstances, especially ones involving politics and the military.
That's why we point things out. The problem being, those that haven't the ability to be objective, or even recognize reality, dismiss it.
Sorry dude, reality is what it is. If you someone wants to dismiss the facts because it doesn't jive with his/her ideology. I'm not throwing wisdom to the wind and meeting them half way.
I tend to say some is stupid, when they dismiss facts that don't jive with their ideology.
Otherwise, I respect opposing views, if they dwell in the realm of reality.
I'm impressed that you acknowledged that.
Those people are stupid.
I agree, but facts are facts. I don't care if you were raised baptist or Mormon, steel still weakens if you heat it up. A paintball gun is not a submachine gun. And so on.
There is a monumental difference between opinion and fact.
Ever been punched in the head? Did it hurt?
Was that obvious?
I agree, but facts are still facts.
Ya, I've had my head slammed into an ice wall at 60 miles an hour. That was over thirty years ago and it still hurts.
And I would like to meet the person who has all the facts.
And I would like to meet the person who has all the facts.
No doubt there are more unanswered questions than answered ones. The problem doesn't lie in acknowledging that but instead lies in, what seems to me, to be an incontrollable need for some to absolutely find an answer, any answer. There is some pretty specious reasoning and giant leaps of faith involved in believing many of these "answers".
And a bigger problem still, for many, is that they absolutely cannot allow the derived upon conclustion to be questioned by anyone.
Noboday has all the facts. That's kind of the point really.
The conspiracy surrounding 911 is that of individuals making money off spreading misinformation, creating false hysteria and ignoring study after study after study. Who are these individuals? They are the Alex Jones, the Jesse Ventura's ans scores of others who are pimping books and DVD's.
The ones subscribing to this hysteria are people who are rather pathetic really. When you start to pick apart these theories many become shrill and honestly kind of freaky.
Opinions and spreading bullsh!t are two completely different things.
There are people out there who state that this was a Zionist conspiracy and that most Jews didn't go to work on 911.
911 SOLVED IN 2 MINUTES - YouTube
There are others who state that there was no wreckage recovered at the Shanksville site.
What is more than obvious is that the bulk of information coming from the so called "Truthers" is paranoia baloney.
...there are others that state the aircraft nosed in....
That's not United Airlines colours....
That's not United Airlines colours....
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And I have two friends, one is in demolition and the other was US Special Forces in Nam and an expert in demolitions and both say what they saw on 911 was a demolition. Hundreds of architects and engineers say it was a demolition and an equal number of experts say that that is impossible. So, where does that leave us? More questions than answers and enough facts to make the whole matter murky enough to say - it is what it is and we may never know for sure.
You know i heard a story about a pill you could put in a gas tank and it would give unlimited mileage. There are plenty of people out there that say that the moon landing was a fake. There are still people who firmly believe that the 911 hijackers entered the United States from Canada through Maine. That doesn't make it true.
I don't hold an engineering or architectural degree, but I have watched the popular mechanics representation and it seems a lot more logical that as the buildings main cross structures weakened and gave way. That makes a little more sense than the idea that the Government would put explosives in a building and be able to pull off an illusion that would make David Copperfield blow a load in his shorts. Add the fact that the Bush Administration would make utter fools of themselves after pontificating about WMD in Iraq only pokes further holes in the government sanctioned 911 conspiracy.
That's not Shanksville. Not unless somebody moved September to the middle of winter.
Yeah sorry, I got that from an actual conspiracy site.
This is Shanksville
I've been looking too and found the one above and another of the engine component as above but little else.
I hate to say this but I think Rumsefeld's slip of "shot down" and then saying "we never shot it down" would be correct. I figure that fell into the hands of Canadian pilots during the exercises that day. I can see that being covered up for simplistic rather than nefarious reasons.
I hate to say this but I think Rumsefeld's slip of "shot down" and then saying "we never shot it down" would be correct. I figure that fell into the hands of Canadian pilots during the exercises that day. I can see that being covered up for simplistic rather than nefarious reasons.
I don't think it was shot down, but if it were the US would certainly had cause. There were jets dispatched to do just that, but I believe they American. I also think Norad was under the command of a Canadian Officer on 911, but I could be in error.
RCS: You seem to be a movie buff....around 1998 or 99 or mabe earlier because that's when I watched it, there was a movie made about an airplane about to hit a New York skyscraper.
Which is why, when I was watching CNN that fatefull morning, I had a déja vu feeling and years later tried to find that movie but for some reason never could... and by now the plot is kinda fuzzy in my mind.
Did you ever watch such a movie?
There was a TV show pilot that came out just before 9-11. It was a spin off of another show but I can't remember which or the title either but it was about an airline electronically hijacked.
That might be the one...I remember watching not long before 9/11..
I'm glad someone else remembers....that it wasn't a dream:smile:
Yes Canadians were in command or NorCom at the time and it was CDN F-18's that were assigned to the north eastern States. Operation something guardian. I tried looking last night but the scent of Chanel #5 was in the air and that was my que to do other more productive things.
As I mentioned in the above post if it happened that way and was covered up, it is a cover-up worth while. The animosity would have been overwhelming at the time.
I'll google and see what I can find. The show had a guy that looked like Garth from Waynes World.
I think it's this one: Killtown's:* The Lone Gunmen's "Pilot" Episode
"The pilot episode, which first aired on March 4, 2001, concerned a terrorist
plot to fly a hijacked airplane into the World Trade Center towers."
Thanks
I think That's the one....I remember thinking at the time of the attacks that that the show could have possibly inspired the terrorists to use a plane instead of a car bomb which had already failed before.
That could be the reason they tanked that show...I never saw a rerun afterwards....