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YukonJack

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That is because they intentionally spread lies, misinformation and hate. Assange didn't even publish his opinion, he only reprinted facts. I agree with TenPenny. We now have the Christo-Fascists verses the Islamo-Fascists.

So, since you did not address the death wishes on Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, one must conclude that the only death wishes you disapprove of are the ones that are directed towards one who hates America.

Kind of like yourself.

BTW, does it make you feel calling people Christo-Fascists?

And when does poetry figure in the equation? Who wrote the verses? Christo- or Islamo-Fascists?
 

Risus

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Dammit.

I'm going to say this one more time.

Diplomacy can NOT be carried out in the open. Nations need secret communication from their diplomats so that the persons responsible NOT on the scene can form opinions, set up negotiating parameters, estimate dangers....I ask you, and it is so simple an analogy, but so dead on....I ask you could you carry on with your job, your personal relationships, your life with COMPLETE openess?

Of course not.

I guess the answer is to think before you speak. Some of the stuff said was ignorant. Too bad. They have egg on their face. Get over it.
 

Kreskin

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If private discussions are not private and completely a right of a third party to access and post (according to everyone defending Assange) then perhaps everyone should share all of their email and internet use. In the least if you have your personal information stolen you should be thankful and defensive of those doing it.
 

DaSleeper

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Would some of those Assange enablers please explain to me why the authorities need a court order to tap a private phone conversation and would be thrown in jail and sued if they published such a conversation? and Assange does not????....Wake up people and quit living in a dream world
 

Colpy

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While I understand and agree with the first part of your post, the end of your post completely negates everything else you've said.

You are now qualified to be a member of the Taliban, demanding execution of anyone you disagree with. I trust you enjoy your company.

I don't give a rat's ass about what Assange believes........I care about what he does......and what he does is undermine our military efforts by releasing information that destabilizes alliances, give aid, comfort, and technical aid to our enemies, and indentifies those operating for us in secret.

A nation that is not willing to defend its own interests, its friends, even its very soldiers is not worthy of survival.
 

petros

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I don't give a rat's ass about what Assange believes........I care about what he does......and what he does is undermine our military efforts by releasing information that destabilizes alliances, give aid, comfort, and technical aid to our enemies, and indentifies those operating for us in secret.

A nation that is not willing to defend its own interests, its friends, even its very soldiers is not worthy of survival.
Do you think it will threaten all the Palestinian refugees who now fight side by side with Canadians with boots to the ground in Afghanistan under the Jordanian flag?
 

TenPenny

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I don't give a rat's ass about what Assange believes........I care about what he does......and what he does is undermine our military efforts by releasing information that destabilizes alliances, give aid, comfort, and technical aid to our enemies, and indentifies those operating for us in secret.

A nation that is not willing to defend its own interests, its friends, even its very soldiers is not worthy of survival.

You support treason if they have good reason, and you think Assange should be executed for treason.
 

petros

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Ever heard of these?

Nuremberg Principles


Principle I
Principle I states, "Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefore and liable to punishment."
Principle II

Principle II states, "The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law."
Principle III

Principle III states, "The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law."
Principle IV

Principle IV states: "The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him".

This principle could be paraphrased as follows: "It is not an acceptable excuse to say 'I was just following my superior's orders'".

Previous to the time of the Nuremberg Trials, this excuse was known in common parlance as "Superior Orders". After the prominent, high profile event of the Nuremberg Trials, that excuse is now referred to by many as "Nuremberg Defense". In recent times, a third term, "Lawful orders" has become common parlance for some people. All three terms are in use today, and they all have slightly different nuances of meaning, depending on the context in which they are used.

Nuremberg Principle IV is legally supported by the jurisprudence found in certain articles in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which deal indirectly with conscientious objection. It is also supported by the principles found in paragraph 171 of the Handbook on Procedures and Criteria for Determining Refugee Status which was issued by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). Those principles deal with the conditions under which conscientious objectors can apply for refugee status in another country if they face persecution in their own country for refusing to participate in an illegal war.
See also: Nuremberg Defense, Superior Orders, and Lawful orders

Principle V

Principle V states, "Any person charged with a crime under international law has the right to a fair trial on the facts and law."

Principle VI

Principle VI states,
"The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:
(a) Crimes against peacei) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).(b) War crimes:Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation of slave labor or for any other purpose of the civilian population of or in occupied territory; murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the Seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.(c) Crimes against humanity:Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhumane acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime."

Principle VII

Principle VII states, "Complicity in the commission of a crime against peace, a war crime, or a crime against humanity as set forth in Principle VI is a crime under international law.

I like IV which protect the conscientous objector (Manning) & VI....proof that Iraq and any agression against Iran is illegal an unexcusable crime against peace.
 

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I'm genuinely perplexed at the amount of ends justifying the means displayed here. TenPenny was right on, with outlooks like this the only difference between those promoting the assasination/murder of Assange and the Taliban is aesthetics.
 

petros

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Do you think it will threaten all the Palestinian refugees who now fight side by side with Canadians with boots to the ground in Afghanistan under the Jordanian flag?
 

Colpy

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You support treason if they have good reason, and you think Assange should be executed for treason.

i have never said that.

How could Assange be executed for treason? He is neither American nor Canadian......he is Australian, and they seem reluctant.

I think he should be arrested, and if possible extradicted and transported to the USA and charged with theft, possession of stolen goods, possession of secret documents, whatever, and go to trial.

Failing that, I think he should be hunted down and treated exactly the same way one would treat a Taliban or Al Queda operative.......
 

gerryh

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i have never said that.

How could Assange be executed for treason? He is neither American nor Canadian......he is Australian, and they seem reluctant.

I think he should be arrested, and if possible extradicted and transported to the USA and charged with theft, possession of stolen goods, possession of secret documents, whatever, and go to trial.

Failing that, I think he should be hunted down and treated exactly the same way one would treat a Taliban or Al Queda operative.......



On more than one occasion you have called for his death.
 

Colpy

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I'm genuinely perplexed at the amount of ends justifying the means displayed here. TenPenny was right on, with outlooks like this the only difference between those promoting the assasination/murder of Assange and the Taliban is aesthetics.

That sort of relativism is idiotic, and symptomatic of what is wrong with western determination in the face of adversity......

The Taliban wants to kill every woman that dares show her face in public.

the Taliban wants to protect Al Queda while they wage violent bloody jihad against the innocents of the west.

Assange wants to HELP them.

The Taliban wants us ALL dead.

I want Assange dead.

Get a ****ing grip. Time for the west to quit the ****ing moronic, self-doubting naval gazing, the "got ya!" evisceration of our own society, the greatest that has ever existed on earth.......time to get a little self confidence, some faith in our own greatness, some belief in what has made us richer and freer than any other society on earth, and ****ing DEFEND it. GODDAMMIT, I am tired of this relativist stupidity, this belief that medieval assholes in caves in Afghanistan that would cut your nuts of in a ****ing nanosecond are the GOOD guys, those idiots that would smother every last bit of freedom, douse every spark of liberal thought, demand the suppression of the very essence of human existence......meanwhile you ****ing dickheads sit around with your thumb up your ass, all sweet, fuzzy and comfy, and support those that wish, for the simple reason of their own twisted ego, to undermine our society, and weaken the struggle against those that would force humanity into submission......the very meaning of the word Islam

And there is my flow of thought rant.

I finally lost my temper.

**** you idiots.

On more than one occasion you have called for his death.

Well, CONGRATULATIONS! You can ****ing read.

I said I never accused him of treason!

GEEZUS!!!
 

gerryh

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yup, the Taliban should greet you with open arms. Both you and them have the same basic philosophy. I know you don't recognize that, which is very unfortunate for you, but that IS the unadulterated truth.
 

petros

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yup, the Taliban should greet you with open arms. Both you and them have the same basic philosophy. I know you don't recognize that, which is very unfortunate for you, but that IS the unadulterated truth.
Right wing gun nuts are listed as potential terrorists and possibly linked to Al Qaeda.
 

Colpy

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yup, the Taliban should greet you with open arms. Both you and them have the same basic philosophy. I know you don't recognize that, which is very unfortunate for you, but that IS the unadulterated truth.

Its like talking to a ****ing tape recorder........radical Islam wants the west DESTROYED, so that Islam, a religion of submission and slavery, can triumph..

I want the enemies of the west destroyed, so that western civilization, the wellspring of liberty and respect for the individual, can triumph..

If you can't see the difference......then you are part of the problem.

OK, I'm wound......going to do push-ups, breathe, relax, before I have the Big One.
 

petros

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Its like talking to a ****ing tape recorder........radical Islam wants the west DESTROYED, so that Islam, a religion of submission and slavery, can triumph...
And they are going to get YOU! BOO!
Should Jordan, Turkey and UAE, Malaysia, Azerbijan, and Bosnia Herzogovina pull their MUSLIM troops from Afghanistan?


Muzzie Turks A-Stan YouTube - Türk Askeri Acemi Afganistan li askerleri Egitiyor ,afgan soldiers in training :)



The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) is a NATO-led security mission in Afghanistan established by the United Nations Security Council on 20 December 2001 by Resolution 1386[2] as envisaged by the Bonn Agreement.[3] It is engaged in the War in Afghanistan (2001–present).
 

gerryh

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Its like talking to a ****ing tape recorder........radical Islam wants the west DESTROYED, so that Islam, a religion of submission and slavery, can triumph..

I want the enemies of the west destroyed, so that western civilization, the wellspring of liberty and respect for the individual, can triumph..

If you can't see the difference......then you are part of the problem.


Ok Colpy, whatever you say.



actually, no, it's not ok.

The problem is radicals from both sides calling for the death of everyone on the otherside. THAT is the f*cking problem. Brainless wonders like yourself and binlaxative. The only thing either one of you will be happy with is if the other side is wiped and everyone left thinks like you. Well f*ck you, you useless piece of skin. All I can hope for is that saner heads prevazil all the way around and that idiots like you are in the minority.