The Coalition Strikes!!!

Unforgiven

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Although completely overstated, you are essentially correct.

These people are morons.

Now offer me someone else to vote for that

1. Won't arrive on my doorstep and start seizing weapons. Or the legal equivalent. And don't tell me it won't happen, I've already lost a gun to the gov't. And both the Libs NDP want to ban semi-automatics and handguns.....of which I own several thousand dollars worth. And I am FAR from rich. BTW, compensation has never been paid for gun seizures in Canada.

2 Will not treat every line-jumping economic refugee like the Queen of Sheba, releasing them immediately into the streets and onto the welfare rolls, some of whom wish to plan and execute their wars either back in the old country OR HERE while living on our dime. Tamil Tigers, Islamists...you name it.

3. Will not crawl back to the UN , begging them for instructions.

4. Will not appear in Beijing on their knees, offering apologetic head.

5. Will not take up the cause of Hamas.

6. Will not totally destroy the Canadian military.

7. Will re-distribute Parliamentary seats to better represent the people, without giving Quebec anything more than they deserve.

8. Will not destroy the oilsands, which are the economic engine of Canada.

9. Will dispose of the cash-per-vote subsidy of the Bloc Quebecois.....and all the rest of the parties.

You get the idea....I could go on. But the problem is there is simply no other party offered that is sane.

Better the sane SOBs of the CPC than the Liberals or the NDP.

I really, at this point in history, have no choice but to support the Conservatives.

Vote for whomever you want. But don't cry about it later saying that you didn't know. They have also taken tones of Cannabis off people but we don't bother supporting each other as it's too much off the ass time. They will do exactly what you say they won't simply because they need to control the people and those with guns are not easily controlled. But they start with others first so that you aren't going to whip up some resistants when later when it's your turn to be rounded up for the new prisons.

Your idea of let's stand around and watch each other get taken away until it's my turn will not end well for anyone.

Love to hear more about the gun they took off you and why.
 

petros

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Wow. If guns are the reason your are voting CPC then you are beyond hope and will be crying rivers of tears. I hope you thought ahead and bought some tubs of grease and dug a nice hole to store what is left of your arsenal.
 

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Vote for whomever you want. But don't cry about it later saying that you didn't know. They have also taken tones of Cannabis off people but we don't bother supporting each other as it's too much off the ass time. They will do exactly what you say they won't simply because they need to control the people and those with guns are not easily controlled. But they start with others first so that you aren't going to whip up some resistants when later when it's your turn to be rounded up for the new prisons.

Your idea of let's stand around and watch each other get taken away until it's my turn will not end well for anyone.

Love to hear more about the gun they took off you and why.

Kalishnikov variant. Need I say more? Prohibited, not grandfathered.

They have also rendered my FN FAL useless, although it is grandfathered. I can't even take it to the range, and it will be seized and destroyed when I croak.

BTW, some of your rant is completely paranoid. The Conservatives are no more apt to declare martial law than anyone else, in fact they are much less corrupt than Chretiens Liberals....MUCH less.
 

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I really, at this point in history, have no choice but to support the Conservatives.

See, that's where we differ.

You'll vote for the same assholes, because you know they're assholes, and the other guys might be worse.

I won't vote for the same assholes, because I know they're assholes, and I hope the other guys might be better.
 

petros

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BTW, some of your rant is completely paranoid.
Dude....he's making fun of you. Colpy. I'm in the heart of were the gun law rallies and reform originated. There are no more rallies or outrage and the reform is long gone.

Nothing will ever be reversed when it comes to the registry or looming semi-auto and pistol round ups.

Heroin will be legal and sold to children long before you'll see any gun law changes in your favour. Do you think you can really un-indoctrinate two generations? A big chunk of the second one will be voting this election. If you really want to live how you want to live just move to Montana and be a rig pig.
 

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See, that's where we differ.

You'll vote for the same assholes, because you know they're assholes, and the other guys might be worse.

I won't vote for the same assholes, because I know they're assholes, and I hope the other guys might be better.

That is painting them with a fairly broad brush. True they are politicians, I wouldn't be fooled into thinking other politicians are any better. I've found throughout my life "that far fields are greener" is often a myth and I suspect the same applies here. But you are probably at that age where it will take a few more years for you to figure that out. :smile:
 

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That is painting them with a fairly broad brush. True they are politicians, I wouldn't be fooled into thinking other politicians are any better. I've found throughout my life "that far fields are greener" is often a myth and I suspect the same applies here. But you are probably at that age where it will take a few more years for you to figure that out. :smile:

I give people the benefit of the doubt. It's based on an experiment that I read about, where if you assume the other person has good intentions until they prove you different, you end up better off overall.

So, I'll give an unelected person the benefit of the doubt, and judge the incumbent based on their performance. But that's my personal preference.
 

Unforgiven

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I give people the benefit of the doubt. It's based on an experiment that I read about, where if you assume the other person has good intentions until they prove you different, you end up better off overall.

So, I'll give an unelected person the benefit of the doubt, and judge the incumbent based on their performance. But that's my personal preference.

Look if you're not going to buy into this whole fear and consume mentality then there is nothing this government can do for you. Aren't you afraid of the terrorists and the coalitions? Aren't you afraid of the criminals and the drugs?

So what if the government lies, misleads and pork barrels, they are the only one's who will save your worthless hide from SATAN I mean Ignatieff and the Liberals now get out of our rally.
 

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See, that's where we differ.

You'll vote for the same assholes, because you know they're assholes, and the other guys might be worse.

I won't vote for the same assholes, because I know they're assholes, and I hope the other guys might be better.

Every time I resist being a cynic, I get kicked in the head......so I vote for the arseholes because I KNOW the other arseholes will be worse....I've already seen it, and they are promising to be worse.
 

Colpy

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Yea, sorry to say Colpy, but that's pretty screwed up.

I listed ten reasons below....that was only one.

Now, if I came to you and said; "Hey! Voting for this Party will help you out a tiny bit, voting for any of the others will cost you somewhere well over $5000 in seized property...."

You'd vote for the helpful one.

Both the NDP and the Liberals promised in 2008 to ban handguns and semi-automatics.

Aside from being an outrage, and a complete denial of our ancient rights, that would cost me about $6000 in seized property.

And I will not vote for a party determined to destroy the military, and our place in the world.

Nor will I vote for a party that bases the country's worth on how it is judged by the racist, ridiculous, counter-productive United Nations.

Nor will I vote for a party that will kiss Chinese arse.....remember the Libs complaining that CSIS found that China was exerting influence on west coast politicians???

There simply is no other party I can vote for, and I refuse to return to not voting, which I did for a couple of elections.
 

petros

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There is plenty of room in Montana. Seriously. At least go visit and poke around a little in the world you want Canada to be.
 

mentalfloss

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I listed ten reasons below....that was only one.

Now, if I came to you and said; "Hey! Voting for this Party will help you out a tiny bit, voting for any of the others will cost you somewhere well over $5000 in seized property...."

You'd vote for the helpful one.

Both the NDP and the Liberals promised in 2008 to ban handguns and semi-automatics.

Aside from being an outrage, and a complete denial of our ancient rights, that would cost me about $6000 in seized property.

And I will not vote for a party determined to destroy the military, and our place in the world.

Nor will I vote for a party that bases the country's worth on how it is judged by the racist, ridiculous, counter-productive United Nations.

Nor will I vote for a party that will kiss Chinese arse.....remember the Libs complaining that CSIS found that China was exerting influence on west coast politicians???

There simply is no other party I can vote for, and I refuse to return to not voting, which I did for a couple of elections.

I think the $6,000.00 hit is worth it.

Think about others with your head, not about yourself with your wallet.
 

Colpy

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I think the $6,000.00 hit is worth it.

Think about others with your head, not about yourself with your wallet.

Easy for you to say. My family income is less than 50 grand a year.

As well, some of those guns belonged to my late father and my late brother, and I intend to leave them to my kids. They are heirlooms, and there is nothing more personal than a man's weapons.

Beyond which, if they all left my guns alone, I'd STILL not be able to vote for the Libs/Conservatives.

You keep ignoring the other nine reasons.
 

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The conservatives are a coalition they merged after forming a coalition of two ideologies
right and extreme right...

The Conservative Party of Canada is not a coalition in the political sense of the word because the two existing parties merged into one and came out with unified party-wide policies and stances and they campaign on the merits of those policies. On the ballot, one name representing those policies appears, not 2 or 3. If the various leftist parties were to merge and do the same thing, I wouldn't have an issue with it (aside from my feeling that we are a country that has moved quite dramatically to the left under various Liberal regimes and we need to move back to the center, which will happen only under the CPC and not the others) but thats not what happened after the last election and not what some are calling for now.
 

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I give people the benefit of the doubt. It's based on an experiment that I read about, where if you assume the other person has good intentions until they prove you different, you end up better off overall.

So, I'll give an unelected person the benefit of the doubt, and judge the incumbent based on their performance. But that's my personal preference.

I hear ya, I'd just rather trust someone with a proven track record. Harper has saved a lot of seniors a considerable amount in income tax and I think that is better for the country in the long run in that most individuals can handle money better than Gov't. can ie get a bigger bang for the $ from reputable merchants.
 

mentalfloss

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Which shows how little you understand.

And you still haven't dealt with the other nine.

Okay, fine... *sigh*


2 Will not treat every line-jumping economic refugee like the Queen of Sheba, releasing them immediately into the streets and onto the welfare rolls, some of whom wish to plan and execute their wars either back in the old country OR HERE while living on our dime. Tamil Tigers, Islamists...you name it.

This is a bit overstated. If you look at the number of extremists or even terrorists in the country, it doesn't come anywhere near the level of harm to us that you are insinuating. You make it sound like someone is going to show up on my doorstep and blow my head off.

3. Will not crawl back to the UN, begging them for instructions.

The only real intervention the U.N. has on us is militaristic and environmental. I agree, we should stop being lapdogs for the U.N. by wasting our time in Libya, but regarding climate change, it's scientifically unequivocal.

We need to be concentrating on slowly, but surely reducing carbon emissions and saving the big dollars for those that are actually suffering in this country. There is more of them then those suffering in other countries. The math alone is pretty much against you.

4. Will not appear in Beijing on their knees, offering apologetic head.

Okay? This is pretty powerful rhetoric, but the economics is not that simple. We could also be harming ourselves by cutting economic ties with other countries. You shouldn't ignore that obvious reality.

5. Will not take up the cause of Hamas.

Well then let's stop arming them??? We're only fueling the terrorism by riling them up and giving them weapons to fight against the dictators that we buy oil from. You do know the terrorism thing is a scam, right?

6. Will not totally destroy the Canadian military.

Yes, because we have a reputation for being a militant nation up until now. C'mon, you're not even being fair here. We're spending oodles on jets we don't need. We wouldn't be hampering our military by avoiding their purchase. In fact, we would be bolstering our military unnecessarily.

7. Will re-distribute Parliamentary seats to better represent the people, without giving Quebec anything more than they deserve.

Okay? And you think voting for Harper will bring us a fair representation of seats? Are you sure you know what you're getting into?

8. Will not destroy the oilsands, which are the economic engine of Canada.

Sorry to drop this bomb on you, but the oilsands are really really bad for the environment. I know it's an essential resource, but we have to find a smart way to start faltering off our dependence on oil and increasing our use of alternate energy sources. It's the right thing to do for us and the environment.

No party, conservative or otherwise, will denounce the use of the oil sands outright. I guarantee that even the green party would not shut it down on principle alone, so you don't need to go Harper if this is a serious concern for you.

9. Will dispose of the cash-per-vote subsidy of the Bloc Quebecois.....and all the rest of the parties.

Okay? Harper will change this how?

10. Reform the Senate....which Harper will do, if given the chance.

This is incorrect. Harper will 'pretend' to reform the senate. But like the last election, he will just hire his own representative to take its place, which is extremely anti-democratic. I don't think you would want to support that kind of reform.

If you want a smaller government (which I thought was a staple of conservatives and american constitutionalists alike), you should want to be rid of the senate entirely - which is what the NDP are promising if I'm not mistaken.

I don't think you've really thought through your vote through here - maybe you're just scared, I don't know. It doesn't appear to me that you want to vote for a democratic party that looks after the country as a whole. Your vote still seems to be aimed to saving yourself money. By doing that, you're being bribed and giving power to a backwards government.
 
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