When the information is analyzed to death - most will have already been known or many would have had that belief - Very little will be new to those that follow the situation. Very, very Little - I might add are the Pakistani Govt duplicitous as hell and support the Taliban. Anyone that reads and keeps abreast of reports would have realized this years ago.
The Afghan war logs
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When the information is analyzed to death - most will have already been known or many would have had that belief - Very little will be new to those that follow the situation. Very, very Little - I might add are the Pakistani Govt duplicitous as hell and support the Taliban. Anyone that reads and keeps abreast of reports would have realized this years ago.
The russians and Americans should swap information if they arent already.. If they arent seriouslly teamed up, they should be.
And what makes you think they are not - The greatest fear the Russians have is Jihad in their southern underbelly - that and China.
google to see how many Muslims are part of Russia. You may be surprised - Then check the birth rate and that may also surprise you. The Empire is dying.
ive read alot about the chechnya war, its bad there (not the people being born part cause no one can help who they are) but the viciousness of the situation.
There are plenty of news orgs out there - goggle them - add to you favorites - Reading a view that is completely opposite to what you think will most likely have information that you were not aware of. That is what i try to do - Check out the Asia Times for one source. You may not agree but info is important in how you look at things.
The link
Asia Times Online :: Asian news hub providing the latest news and analysis from Asia
You know whats gonna happen now, government is going to want and clamp down on the internet "War on Internet" 
True. But what I find is that the `internet` is more of a Pandora`s Box....already open.
You know whats gonna happen now, government is going to want and clamp down on the internet "War on Internet"
With this Wikileaks thing, and these thousands of documents mentioned in the O.P.....
Are names being released? I'm talking about people in Afghanistan who're working
with the Coalition Forces who're residents in Afghanistan and who'll still be there, with
their families.....when everyone else packs up and goes home.
Are names being released? I'm talking about people in Afghanistan who're working
with the Coalition Forces who're residents in Afghanistan and who'll still be there, with
their families.....when everyone else packs up and goes home.
Jbee your grandfather and father were good people and our country is indebted to them.
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This leak will have longterm consequences. Those of you who aren't interested in this story don't have to follow it. Certainly you don't have to post your moaning and bitching about yet another string on the Afghan war. Go start a string on your astrological sign if that makes you happy.
The source of this leak remains unknown. Wikileaks is based out of Sweden, where wikileaks is classified as a news and their sources are protected by law.
There is too much information too read to go through all of it and draw conclusions. Its like a giant jigsaw puzzle. However many news organizations are having a field day. They are digging through this raw data and starting to draw some conclusions. Many are coming to realize how inaccurate/incomplete are official government/military press releases.
For example: The Canadian military reported four Canadian soldiers were killed by the Taliban on specific day. Yet an incident on the same day, a war report details a friendly fire incident which killed four Canadians.
Maybe it was deliberate misinformation to the Canadian public, or their first press release was based on initial reports which were incorrect and they never updated. Another possiblilty is the eight Canadians were killed that day, but then the numbers don't make sense.
Canadians should be aware who is killing our soldiers and that our government isn't telling us the complete story. As many of us have suspected all along, it appears we are being deliberately misinformed and/or misled
Very likely we will be hearing about many more selective truth manipulations and outright lies over the next weeks and months as a result of this leak.
No names as far as I can see. But it does say which military unit, what they saw and did. Here is a link to one log:
(FRIENDLY ACTION) MEDEVAC RPT CJSOTF-A : 1 CF KIA 1 CF WIA 4 HNSF KIA 3 HNSF WIA 181 UE KIA 1 UE WIA - Kabul War Diary
Here is the link to the entire index:
Kabul War Diary
I posted a link to the glossary of terms and acronyms on the first page.
The source of this leak remains unknown. Wikileaks is based out of Sweden, where wikileaks is classified as a news and their sources are protected by law.
There is too much information too read to go through all of it and draw conclusions. Its like a giant jigsaw puzzle. However many news organizations are having a field day. They are digging through this raw data and starting to draw some conclusions. Many are coming to realize how inaccurate/incomplete are official government/military press releases.
For example: The Canadian military reported four Canadian soldiers were killed by the Taliban on specific day. Yet an incident on the same day, a war report details a friendly fire incident which killed four Canadians.
Maybe it was deliberate misinformation to the Canadian public, or their first press release was based on initial reports which were incorrect and they never updated. Another possiblilty is the eight Canadians were killed that day, but then the numbers don't make sense.
Canadians should be aware who is killing our soldiers and that our government isn't telling us the complete story. As many of us have suspected all along, it appears we are being deliberately misinformed and/or misled
Very likely we will be hearing about many more selective truth manipulations and outright lies over the next weeks and months as a result of this leak.
No names as far as I can see. But it does say which military unit, what they saw and did. Here is a link to one log:
(FRIENDLY ACTION) MEDEVAC RPT CJSOTF-A : 1 CF KIA 1 CF WIA 4 HNSF KIA 3 HNSF WIA 181 UE KIA 1 UE WIA - Kabul War Diary
Here is the link to the entire index:
Kabul War Diary
I posted a link to the glossary of terms and acronyms on the first page.
Hmmm, interesting.
What part of 1 CF KIA 1 CF WIA didn't you get?
Which part says the US were responsible for the single CF KIA?
Why doesn't your link correspond with the articles supposed...
Do you have a link to the AAR that the Gazette is referring to?
As far as I'm concerned, the Gazette article is hearsay and complete BS, as is your post without corroborating evidence.
I know that you're hoping for it to be Friendly Fire but the evidence just isn't supporting it.
Barry Mellish, father of Warrant Officer Mellish, said he knew the incident that killed his son wasn't a result of friendly fire, and was told so personally by Sergeant Major John Barnes, concussed in the same attack.
"Frank was standing on one side of Sergeant Major Barnes and Will Cushley was standing behind him, behind what -- I don't know what the military calls it but -- what we'd call a front-end motor, and the Taliban insurgent or whatever you want to call them popped up out of a building and fired a 50-cal rifle at it and the schrapnel killed both Frank and Will Cushley," he said. "They weren't killed by friendly fire. They were taken in enemy fire. It was the beginning of Operation Medusa."
Read more: Canadian deaths may have been friendly fire: file
"Frank was standing on one side of Sergeant Major Barnes and Will Cushley was standing behind him, behind what -- I don't know what the military calls it but -- what we'd call a front-end motor, and the Taliban insurgent or whatever you want to call them popped up out of a building and fired a 50-cal rifle at it and the schrapnel killed both Frank and Will Cushley," he said. "They weren't killed by friendly fire. They were taken in enemy fire. It was the beginning of Operation Medusa."
Read more: Canadian deaths may have been friendly fire: file
Yeah, sometimes people can get too subjective and forget things like it would probably be a lot worse under the Taliban. There might not even have been a wedding in that case.
I sure am glad that I live here and not some place where the reigning authority has complete control over every aspect of my life. And even if I were and had to make a sacrifice so that my life or my family and friends could gain a little freedom, I'd still be happy about it.
I wonder what "John Doe", "Jane Doe", "Jim Smith", or "Emily Smith" sounds like in Afghani.
So you are the only one around that knows what is truly going on. No-one else's links are correct. I see.
The Five Biggest Revelations of Wikileaks Documents
The Five Biggest Revelations of Wikileaks Documents
Tuesday, 27 July 2010 08:37
'Six years' worth of secret U.S. documents relating to the war in Afghanistan have been released by Wikileaks, an Iceland-based website that collects and distributes such information. Some news organizations were given the tens of thousands of documents several weeks early so that they could sift through the files and prepare their coverage. The revelations are sure to spark wide debate about the U.S. role in Afghanistan and the nature of the ongoing war. Here are what currently appear to be the five biggest things we've learned so far.'
Read more: The Five Biggest Revelations of Wikileaks Documents
The Five Biggest Revelations of Wikileaks Documents
Tuesday, 27 July 2010 08:37
'Six years' worth of secret U.S. documents relating to the war in Afghanistan have been released by Wikileaks, an Iceland-based website that collects and distributes such information. Some news organizations were given the tens of thousands of documents several weeks early so that they could sift through the files and prepare their coverage. The revelations are sure to spark wide debate about the U.S. role in Afghanistan and the nature of the ongoing war. Here are what currently appear to be the five biggest things we've learned so far.'
Read more: The Five Biggest Revelations of Wikileaks Documents
You frequently post complaints like this regarding war related threads. Why do you even bother to read these threads if they annoy you? If you don't like the topic, then don't read it or post complaints about them.
What makes you believe that I hope that Canadian soldiers were killed by friendly fire? Can you support your opinion with a refence to something I've posted? Or are you just assuming that because I don't support war crimes and crimes against humanity, that I hope that our soldiers kill each other. You'll have to connect the dots for me. How did you come to this erroneous misperception about me?
To me it makes little difference whether soldiers are killed by friendly fire or not. I am concerned when our government lies to the public about it. I'd rather know the cold hard truth, than be pacified by soothing lies.
Remember this friendly fire event?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/friendlyfire/
I disagree with the ruling regarding Maj. Schmidt.
1) He was not briefed on the presence of Canadian troops in the area
2) He was told that hostiles were operating in the area
3) The on-board weapon fire detection system cannot tell which direction the weapons are pointed and as a result, could easily be misinterpreted as firing in his direction.
4) The Canadians were not equiped with transponders (which would have identified them as friendly)
5) As per orders these guys were pulling multiple shifts without adequate downtime and taking stimulants (amphetamines) in compensation, so their judgement was impaired.
Assuming the above facts are correct and complete, I conclude Schmidt did not deserve to be busted. I believe he was unjustly made a scapegoat as a result of political pressure. Maj. Schmidt was only one of the people responsible, yet he and his wingman got all the blame. IMO, the person most responsible for these tragic deaths was whoever sent the Canadians into a war zone without the appropriate equipment (transponders). Likely that person was a Canadian officer. As far as I know that person was never held accountable for their mistake. On the plus side, very soon after this incident all Canadians operating alongside Americans in war zones are now equipped with transponders. That might not have happened if this incident was covered up with lies.
I am against war crimes and crimes against humanity. I don't support starting dumb unprovoked wars (Iraq), making new enemies unnecessarily (the Taliban) or committing strategic/tactical blunders. My beef isn't with soldiers who do their duty, but with people who commit war crimes. The decision to start an unprovoked war was a war crime. Nearly all the soldiers ordered to invade and occupy Iraq could not have known that the case for war with Iraq (WMD stockpiles) was bogus. The entire Afghan war could have been avoided with more patience, knowledge of local customs/culture, diplomacy and less arrogance. I agree with bringing the people responsible for 9/11 to justice. However not a single Taliban was involved in that crime. These people weren't our enemies until we attacked them. We knew that some of the people involved in 9/11 were "guests" of the Taliban and as per their customs, the Taliban are obligated to protect them. The US government should have respected Afghan culture and realized that the Taliban would never hand these people over without a fight, even if they didn't want to fight or protect these people. We should have focused on controlling Afghanistan's borders and preventing arms from reaching the Taliban. Eventually the Taliban who were at war with the Alliance would have have hinted that their "guests" were unwelcome and the people of interest would have been obligated to leave. At which point we could have captured most of them. Instead we bombed the Taliban and the people of interest escaped in the confusion.
I support all Canadian troops who act professionally and ethically as per Canadian and international law. I support holding people accountable for their actions and if any Canadian soldier commits a war crime or crime against humanity, I support busting their ass to the full extent of the law. Do your duty with courage and honor and you have my respect and gratitude.
Regarding the above Afghan incident, no one denies the report classifies the deaths as friendly fire. Now that the report has been made public, the people involved claim the report's classification as friendly fire was a mistake. The military is looking at correcting the error. In this case the report's leak appears to have resulted in a correction to the official record.
To me it makes no difference how a soldier dies in battle. My concern regarding friendly fire relates to criminal negligence and/or systemic issues. I also have a problem with the military and government covering up friendly fire deaths, as if the deaths were shameful or the victims were less heroic or brave. Friendly fire when it occurs in the middle of a battle counts as killed in action. (KIA). I expect friendly fire will always be a factor in war. Under unusual circumstances, its possible that a decision to deliberate kill soldiers with friendly fire could be the right decision if that action saves lives overall and/or contributes to the mission's success. Sorry but soldier's lives are expendable. That's the deal when you sign up.
For example, on the Gemini 4 space mission, I understand McDivitt had an order to cut White loose during the EVA if he couldn't re-enter the cabin. Re-entering with the hatch open would have killed both astronauts. The right decision in that specific situation would have been for McDivitt to deliberately kill White and save himself. Even if I was White, I'd still agree with that decision.
To me, supporting the troops means, taking care of their families while they are over seas, proper compensation (financial and otherwise), preferential access to medical services, education, employment... and so on. I would support these improvements in government policy. Waving a flag and putting a bumper sticker on your car are nice gestures, but they don't pay the grocery bills or provide day care services.
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EAO
So was Afghanistan an unprovoked Invasion by the US & NATO?
EAO
The so called friendly fire incident was clarified in other news orgs st the same time that you posted it was a Blue on Blue.
Should slow down a tad.
Hope you don't fuk that way. Humor and meant as such - Not to be construed as insulting.
So was Afghanistan an unprovoked Invasion by the US & NATO?
EAO
The so called friendly fire incident was clarified in other news orgs st the same time that you posted it was a Blue on Blue.
Should slow down a tad.
Hope you don't fuk that way. Humor and meant as such - Not to be construed as insulting.
That's a possibility, but I doubt it.
IMO, this leak was a huge violation of trust. The soldiers who file these reports believe the information will remain classified and only seen by people who have a need to know. Its important that soldiers can trust that their reports will be kept secret and the information used only for its intended purpose. Now soldiers filing these reports have to consider that someone might leak them like this, which may affect what they say.
On the other hand, the public has a right to know the truth about war. I'd be content with a summary of this information periodically, but unfortunately I don't trust the military or our government representatives to tell the whole truth. It has something to do with Iraq's WMD stockpiles and Saddam Hussein's involvement in 9/11.
I think the best thing that will come out of this is the understanding that Pakistan is pretty much officially supporting the Taliban. We (as in 'the West') should really avoid much dealings with Pakistan.