That "E"-conomy Factor

damngrumpy

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Not to make excuses for Obama he can speak for himself, but so many people are missing
the big picture. The United States began its decline when Reagan started deregulation and
it has got worse. The trade deals that destabilized the industrial base of the country was
another factor. America is a leader in consumer buying, and not industrial output to match
it. The problems were created not by Obama, but by George Bush and before that Bill Clinton.
Trade deals were not done with any measure of conditions or restrictions and Multi and Trans
National Corporation took advantage of the situation. These companies are loyal to no one
only their profit margin there is no such thing as doing the right thing. That is just the beginning.
Before Obama you had the major financial companies behaving so badly they should have
been prosecuted in criminal courts. They not only destabilized the industrial complex they took
out the financial stability of the nation itself for nothing more than their own greed.

Couple this with Europe on the brink, by adopting the same irresponsible financial procedures
as America and before that Japan. There is another country that mismanaged their economy
right into a major permanent down turn. If Europe falters it will take out some of the financial
institutions in America as well.

Don't even think about Asia being financially healthy, they are in trouble in China its a creeping
disaster that has been under the radar until recently, There is a major housing crisis coming
that will make history around the world. There are over 64 million apartments vacant in China
and shopping centers with no stores in them. In fact, China has built a number of cities
capable of accommodating over a million people, but no one lives there. It should also be noted
China built these cities on prime farmland.

Add all these things into the backdrop of individual debt in North America that has never been
seen before. Obama has not helped himself but the problem is much bigger than one man
or country and all of this reflects directly on the Economy that is shrinking faster than anyone
can print more money to save it inflated dollars.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Not to make excuses for Obama he can speak for himself, but so many people are missing
the big picture. The United States began its decline when Reagan started deregulation and
it has got worse. The trade deals that destabilized the industrial base of the country was
another factor. America is a leader in consumer buying, and not industrial output to match
it. The problems were created not by Obama, but by George Bush and before that Bill Clinton.
Trade deals were not done with any measure of conditions or restrictions and Multi and Trans
National Corporation took advantage of the situation. These companies are loyal to no one
only their profit margin there is no such thing as doing the right thing. That is just the beginning.
Before Obama you had the major financial companies behaving so badly they should have
been prosecuted in criminal courts. They not only destabilized the industrial complex they took
out the financial stability of the nation itself for nothing more than their own greed.

Couple this with Europe on the brink, by adopting the same irresponsible financial procedures
as America and before that Japan. There is another country that mismanaged their economy
right into a major permanent down turn. If Europe falters it will take out some of the financial
institutions in America as well.

Don't even think about Asia being financially healthy, they are in trouble in China its a creeping
disaster that has been under the radar until recently, There is a major housing crisis coming
that will make history around the world. There are over 64 million apartments vacant in China
and shopping centers with no stores in them. In fact, China has built a number of cities
capable of accommodating over a million people, but no one lives there. It should also be noted
China built these cities on prime farmland.

Add all these things into the backdrop of individual debt in North America that has never been
seen before. Obama has not helped himself but the problem is much bigger than one man
or country and all of this reflects directly on the Economy that is shrinking faster than anyone
can print more money to save it inflated dollars.

Very valid points. So what is the process necessary to take steps towards corrective measures??
 

Cliffy

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Very valid points. So what is the process necessary to take steps towards corrective measures??
There are no corrective measures. The world economy is being dismantled to be replaced by a one world currency. This is an engineered demolition. Everything is going to plan. For the little guy there will be pain but the rich don't care about you. As George Carlin says "They own you!"
 

Ocean Breeze

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The world economy is being dismantled to be replaced by a one world currency. This is an engineered demolition.

...That is likely quite true. So , who is behind this enterprise and how long is it going to take before all the pieces are in place for the orchestrators of this economic design to make it effective???

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Cliffy: Nice pic btw.
 

Cliffy

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The world economy is being dismantled to be replaced by a one world currency. This is an engineered demolition.

...That is likely quite true. So , who is behind this enterprise and how long is it going to take before all the pieces are in place for the orchestrators of this economic design to make it effective???

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Cliffy: Nice pic btw.
I believe the plan is to make people suffer until they beg for salvation. Those responsible are not going to show their faces until they are ready but you can bet that people like the Rockefellers are the front men.

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That pic is 23 years old, taken in the jungles of Costa Rica, trippin' on Vitamin L.
 

Ocean Breeze

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I believe the plan is to make people suffer until they beg for salvation. Those responsible are not going to show their faces until they are ready but you can bet that people like the Rockefellers are the front men.

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That pic is 23 years old, taken in the jungles of Costa Rica, trippin' on Vitamin L.

It is still nice. ;-) and yes, it does look like a young man on an adventure ......an exploration.

So.......the bottom line is the same old story. Power, control, psychological domination, .....and not much has changed as far as the evolution of the humanoid .........except he is perfecting his aggression in the areas of greed, selfishness and wanting to be more important ;more special and richer than the next guy. (sigh)
 

Cliffy

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It is still nice. ;-) and yes, it does look like a young man on an adventure ......an exploration.

So.......the bottom line is the same old story. Power, control, psychological domination, .....and not much has changed as far as the evolution of the humanoid .........except he is perfecting his aggression in the areas of greed, selfishness and wanting to be more important ;more special and richer than the next guy. (sigh)
Yup! Evolution and civilization are a myth. We are just sophisticated cave men, only some have a god complex.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Yup! Evolution and civilization are a myth. We are just sophisticated cave men, only some have a god complex.


LOL.........indeed. One could question just how sophisticated we really are. :smile: It sure don't take much for us to turn into barbarism. should the right mix of events occur. (the ones with the g-complex are usually very rich and feel entitled to such vast powers. OR those with nothing except their beliefs and have nothing left to lose.
 

Cliffy

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That's why we must all keep our guns.............for the coming revolution;-)
And just how do you expect to get the sheeple away from their TVs? There is a definite plan to dumb down the populace and TV is the main medium. A kull of the human population is in the works and the sheeple will be the sacrificial lambs (pun intended).
 

Ocean Breeze

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And just how do you expect to get the sheeple away from their TVs? There is a definite plan to dumb down the populace and TV is the main medium. A kull of the human population is in the works and the sheeple will be the sacrificial lambs (pun intended).

human version of "survival of the fittest........er richest " The dumbing down has been taking place for some time. The so called "news" is nothing but infotainment. ( UK and Canada still have some channels that are almost reasonable and almost informative) .... but when one turns on the US media.........it is stunning to see what is being played out for human consumption....and repeated, and repeated ad nausea um. Like how many times does one have to hear about Charlie sheen and his drug induced nonsense. Or some of the other "stories" that get over played consuming air time.........while many important global issues are ignored. But as the ratings determine what is presented and the public decides what it wants to watch which in turn determines the ratings .....and one has a rapidly devolving culture and society.

All one has to do is consider the Michael Jackson's Dr. trial. First ......how can any physician who has taken the oath get caught up in the celebrity trap ?? How can a supposedly intelligent individual get caught up needing money so bad.....he would sell his profession to the celeb culture??

Maybe it is time for ADULTS ( or close facsimile of ) to learn how to say NO.

(be it to the "I want , I want NOW immaturity , or to situations that are so hi risk it is just foolish to consider them)
 

Ocean Breeze

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CNN breaking news:


-- S & P Ratings Services lowers its unsolicited

long- and short-term credit ratings on Italy to

'A/A-1' from 'A+/A-1+'.
 

Ocean Breeze

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CNN breaking news mailing:

Stocks plunged Thursday as investors were gripped by fear. The Dow sank 390 points or 3.5%. The Nasdaq and S&P 500 each fell about 3.2%.



The Federal Reserve’s comments about "significant downside risks" coupled with weak manufacturing reports from China and the eurozone sparked a broad sell-off that spilled into copper, oil and gold.



As investors rushed out of stocks, they poured money into bonds, sending the yield on the 10-year Treasury note to a record low.



At this rate, the Dow is on track for its worst week in nearly three years.

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Ocean Breeze

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Study: Wealthy Stockbrokers More Dangerous Than Psychopaths



The findings are a reminder of why now -- more than ever -- we must refuse to succumb to political apathy and laissez-faire demagoguery.

Study: Wealthy Stockbrokers More Dangerous Than Psychopaths | | AlterNet


Interesting perspective with some valid points.(IMO)

While Wall Street Quakes, Greece’s Fire Still Burns Bright

by Michelle Chen
While we may be inspired to see a leaderless mass movement finally crystallizing in U.S. cities, the American occupations still can't hold a candle to the fire raging across Greece.
Police detain a protester during an anti-austerity rally in Athens October 5, 2011. Police fired tear gas at stone-throwing youths in central Athens Wednesday, where thousands of striking state sector workers marched against cuts the government says are needed to save the nation from bankruptcy. (REUTERS/John Kolesidis)


This past week, demonstrators again unleashed their rage across the tiny Mediterranean republic, blocking government agencies and clashing with government thugs amid plumes of tear gas, with assorted spectacles like trying to burn a European Union flag in effigy. Wilder than the spontaneous encampments in New York, Boston and other cities, the Greek tempests of the past several months have been persistent and rancorous enough to actually shake up the trading floor and the halls of Eurozone-IMF officialdom, as the troika hover, anxious and vulture-like, over a smoldering pyre of sovereign debt

While Wall Street Quakes, Greece
 

Ocean Breeze

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European Union leaders announced an agreement early Thursday in Brussels on debt crisis measures including a hard-fought deal with private sector investors to write down Greek bonds by 50%.



The agreement came at the end of marathon talks to finalize details of a comprehensive policy response to the government debt crisis threatening the stability of the euro currency and global economy.



French President Nicolas Sarkozy said Greek bondholders voluntarily agreed to write down the value of Greek bonds by 50%, which translates to 100 billion euros and will reduce the nation's debt load to 120% from 150%.



Sarkozy said the leaders agreed to boost the firepower of the EU bailout fund, known as the European Financial Stability Facility, "by four or five fold." He added that officials have negotiated additional funding from the International Monetary Fund.



The writedowns were one of three inter-related problems political l eaders must solve to devise a comprehensive solution to Europe's debt crisis. They must also determine how to leverage a government-backed bailout fund and stabilize the banking sector.

Source: CNN breaking news.

Source: Breaking News Alert

The New York Times

Wednesday, October 26, 2011 -- 11:11 PM EDT

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Banks Agree to Take Loss on Greek Debt to Help Resolve Euro Crisis



European leaders in Brussels obtained an agreement from banks in meetings early Thursday to take a 50 percent loss on the face value of their Greek debt, making significant progress toward resolving the euro zone financial crisis.



The accord was reached just before 4 a.m. local time after difficult bargaining and represented a crucial element for restoring credibility to the euro. The severe reduction would bring Greek debt down by 2020 to 120 percent of that nation’s gross domestic product, a figure still enormous, but more sustainable for an economy driven into recession by austerity measures.
 

Ocean Breeze

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source: ; breaking news from CNN

New fears about the fate of the European rescue plan reverberated through stock markets in the United States and around the world.



Stocks were hit hard early in the day after Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou made a surprise call for a public vote on Greece's bailout -- raising questions about a carefully crafted rescue plan agreed to only last week. Conflicting reports later in the day about whether the referendum will indeed occur kept investors on edge.



The Dow Jones industrial average sank 297 points, while the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq each fell about 3%.



The day's selloff puts the S&P 500 and Nasdaq back in negative territory for the year, while the Dow is up just 0.7% in 2011