Thanks to Trudeau's tax proposals, big fish are moving billions out of Canada, former

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OTTAWA — A big Canadian player has quietly picked up his chips and is heading for the exit amid all the tumult over the Trudeau government’s controversial tax proposals.

A business owner has informed John Manley, the head of an organization representing Canada’s largest corporations, that he’s moved billions of dollars outside the country since the Liberals announced their tax changes in mid-July.

The government’s proposals to eliminate several tax incentives have awakened a large contingent of vocal opponents from numerous backgrounds — from the small business community, to farmers, to tax planners, to professionals like doctors and lawyers. Even backbench Liberal MPs have publicly expressed their concerns.

In the background, the Liberals’ proposed tax reforms are also a deep concern for a much-smaller, silent group of Canadians: wealthy business leaders.
Manley, a former Liberal finance minister in the Chretien government, said the elements of the government’s plan to tighten rules on passive investment portfolios and the transfer of family businesses have created worries for some members of his organization, the Business Council of Canada.

The financial concerns have been compounded by the government’s accompanying messages that Manley believes have “vilified” higher-income Canadians.
Many of his members, he added, have been taken aback by rhetoric that they see as pitting the middle class against the wealthy.
“I don’t get it at all — I thought that one of the successes of Prime Minister (Justin) Trudeau was that he was the unifier, he was bringing people together,” said Manley, who noted the broader economy could feel the sting of losing too many big job creators.

“There’s lots of journeymen hockey players in the NHL, but you still want to have some (Connor) McDavids and (Wayne) Gretzkys and people that are stars.”

Manley pointed to one example where a successful business owner has decided to leave Canada with “billions of dollars.”
On the advice of tax professionals, he said the individual decided to move the money primarily because of the impacts the reforms could have on his family through changes related to estate planning.

There’s a notion that other big players could soon head for the exits, Manley said.
“You won’t know about it because they’re not going to buy ads or report it — they’ll just go.”

Manley’s group is calling on the government to hold off on the proposed changes for now to allow for a broader review of the tax system that examines additional goals like making the entire structure less complex.
Failing that, he would like to see the feds fix any unintended consequences from the current plan on the table.

Finance Minister Bill Morneau first released the three-part tax reform plan in the middle of the summer. He argued it would level the playing field for Canadians.
The package includes restrictions on the ability of business owners to lower their tax rate by sprinkling their income to family members in lower tax brackets, even if those family members do no work for the business.

Morneau also proposed limiting the use of private corporations to make passive investments in things like stocks or real estate. Another change would limit business owners’ ability to convert regular income of a corporation into capital gains, which are typically taxed at a lower rate.

The government also gave Canadians a 75-day consultation period, ending Oct. 2, to weigh in on the proposals. Morneau has insisted the government will listen to concerns before it tables legislation.
Trudeau has stood firmly by the proposed reforms and has stressed they are about making the system fairer, rather than generating revenue.

The goal, he said earlier this week, is to stop a system that “encourages wealthy Canadians to use private corporations to pay lower tax rates than the middle class.”

Thanks to Trudeau’s tax proposals, big fish are moving billions out of Canada, former finance minister says | National Post

This part makes me laugh though.
The government also gave Canadians a 75-day consultation period
Yeah right. Since when has The Turd listened to any Canadian(s) other than himself and his fellow denizens of the echo-chamber?
 

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Since when has The Turd listened to any Canadian(s) other than himself and his fellow denizens of the echo-chamber?
In a corrupt Nation the crooks leave with as much money as they can get, you seem surprised at that. What replaces them is up to the ones left behind. They can mimic the old system and have the same things continue or they can adopt a different solution. Referendum votes rather than civil war would seem like a no-brainer move.
 

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It suits the globalists to destroy the nations by taking away all the money.
Then, in the hard times everything goes for sale real cheap to the people who stole it all in the first place.

In a corrupt Nation the crooks leave with as much money as they can get, you seem surprised at that. What replaces them is up to the ones left behind. They can mimic the old system and have the same things continue or they can adopt a different solution. Referendum votes rather than civil war would seem like a no-brainer move.

As long as the ballet boxes are secure..
If not, then I guess there is no choice but to go for the bullet boxes.

While LIKE ALL THE OTHER WARS, the bankers fund both sides...and never lose.
 

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The boxes are secure, for the one that has the key to the back-door. I'm pretty sure national voting could be secure just using a SIN number. Two forms of Government should have ended when the telephone was invented.
 

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The same crooks that paid hundreds of billions into the tax system over the last years?

Those crooks?
Yeah, those crooks. You need to get your facts straight. That intentional or accidental??

Corporate taxes

Companies and corporations pay tax on profit income and on capital. These make up a relatively small portion of total tax revenue. Tax is paid on corporate income at the corporate level before it is distributed to individual shareholders as dividends. A tax credit is provided to individuals who receive dividend to reflect the tax paid at the corporate level. This credit does not eliminate double taxation of this income completely, however, resulting in a higher level of tax on dividend income than other types of income. (Where income is earned in the form of a capital gain, only half of the gain is included in income for tax purposes; the other half is not taxed.)
Corporations may deduct the cost of capital following capital cost allowance regulations. The Supreme Court of Canada has interpreted the Capital Cost Allowance in a fairly broad manner, allowing deductions on property which was owned for a very brief period of time,[33] and property which is leased back to the vendor from which it originated.[34]
Starting in 2002, several large companies converted into "income trusts" in order to reduce or eliminate their income tax payments, making the trust sector the fastest-growing in Canada as of 2005. Conversions were largely halted on October 31, 2006, when Finance Minister Jim Flaherty announced that new income trusts would be subject to a tax system similar to that of corporations, and that these rules would apply to existing income trusts after 2011.
See also: Income trust
Capital tax is a tax charged on a corporation's taxable capital. Taxable capital is the amount determined under Part 1.3 of the Income Tax Act (Canada) plus accumulated other comprehensive income.
On January 1, 2006, capital tax was eliminated at the federal level. Some provinces continued to charge corporate capital taxes, but effective July 1, 2012, provinces have stopped levying corporation capital taxes. In Ontario the corporate capital tax was eliminated July 1, 2010 for all corporations, although it was eliminated effective January 1, 2007, for Ontario corporations primarily engaged in manufacturing or resource activities. In British Columbia the corporate capital tax was eliminated as of April 1, 2010.
From 1932[35] until 1951,[36] Canadian companies were able to file consolidated tax returns, but this was repealed with the introduction of the business loss carryover rules.[37] In 2010, the Department of Finance launched consultations to investigate whether corporate taxation on a group basis should be reintroduced.[37] As no consensus was reached in such consultations, it was announced in the 2013 Budget that moving to a formal system of corporate group taxation was not a priority at this time.[38]

The crooks that grow the crops and provide the milk and meat as well. Since farmers are affected by this change.
Farmers are told what is in demand. Critters are a very small part of 'farming'.
 

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Farmers are told what is in demand. Critters are a very small part of 'farming'.



In case you weren't aware, the point is over there.


Farmers are small businesspeople. The tax changes will hurt small businesses.


You wonder why I keep mentioning that you're not very bright? You keep proving it.


Have some more pizza.
 

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The crooks that grow the crops and provide the milk and meat as well. Since farmers are affected by this change.

Absolutely, and add to that list your family Doc, the guy that runs the pizza joint on the corner, the local convenience store operator, truckers, etc, etc.

The list is very long and by no means limited to big, highly recognizable corporate entities

Yeah, those crooks. You need to get your facts straight. That intentional or accidental??

Corporate taxes

Companies and corporations pay tax on profit income and on capital. These make up a relatively small portion of total tax revenue. Tax is paid on corporate income at the corporate level before it is distributed to individual shareholders as dividends. A tax credit is provided to individuals who receive dividend to reflect the tax paid at the corporate level. This credit does not eliminate double taxation of this income completely, however, resulting in a higher level of tax on dividend income than other types of income. (Where income is earned in the form of a capital gain, only half of the gain is included in income for tax purposes; the other half is not taxed.)
Corporations may deduct the cost of capital following capital cost allowance regulations. The Supreme Court of Canada has interpreted the Capital Cost Allowance in a fairly broad manner, allowing deductions on property which was owned for a very brief period of time,[33] and property which is leased back to the vendor from which it originated.[34]

blah, blah, blah

These companies, large and small also pay for licenses, fees, payroll taxes, corresponding contributions to CPP, etc on behalf of employees, etc, etc.

Further, the Corp pays it's taxes on their upside and then any monies extended to investors pay taxes on top of this such as salaries (income tax/payroll tax) and dividend (capital gains tax) among others.

Fact is, each and every time a transaction occurs, the gubmint takes it's pound of flesh, so, with this in mind, do you not see that gubmint should be promoting an economic environment that encourages as many transactions as possible?

Farmers are told what is in demand. Critters are a very small part of 'farming'.

Told what is in demand?... That has got to be the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.

Farmers, by definition and practice are the ultimate futures traders in that they have to predict what crops they believe will be in demand 4-6 months in the future... They don't wait for Joe Paloka to phone them up and place an order for 32 bushels of wheat, a bag of carrots and enough canola seed to generate a liter of canola oil... The situation is even scarier on the livestock side as their capital is tied up for a couple-three years before they can sell that commodity.

All the while, that farmer pays, up front for their fuel, seed, equipment costs, feed for livestock, etc, etc.

... So, tell me again exactly how farmers don't qualify as small business?
 

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After prostitution they were probably the second type of business to be invented.

In case you weren't aware, the point is over there.


Farmers are small businesspeople. The tax changes will hurt small businesses.


You wonder why I keep mentioning that you're not very bright? You keep proving it.


Have some more pizza.

you belong to nambla?