Thank a Vet?

[Unforgiven]

Firstly I'd like to say Jbee is a douche on many levels and I think we can all agree on that point with the exception of a few other conspiracy loons like petros.

Nah, Jbee is an alright guy. He is right on the money when he calls us all hypocrites and we're cowardly too.
We know government, this government and the one before it, shouldn't be in this war. It started out right but the usual suspects creep in and turn it into the boring old ultra sanitized bull**** for us to digest over dinner as we look forward to something good on tv tonight.

War has lost it's bite. Scared to kill anyone to the point of letting the people we should be killing walk away to strike another day. War should be all out, total and absolutely horrific. Everyone, young, old, male, female, straight, gay, Christian, Muslim, Jew and Buddhist, everyone should be involved and working for the war effort. If you aren't you're a scumbag. The only thing we should be seeing is the war we're in and dealing with the dead and wounded as they return home. Maybe if we did that, we wouldn't be so damn quick to jump into a war. Maybe people would think twice about using terrorism for political change.

We sit here relaxing, thinking thoughtful things and having a nice lunch, maybe go for a coffee or something, while we have our kids over seas killing others in our name. Now we're protecting those sworn enemies as they negotiate with the government for some sort of power sharing deal to end the war. If negotiation works now it would have worked then and there is no reason why we should have go to war in the first place. All those dead died for nothing.
If we're OK with that, we should be hanging our collective heads because the government we've got is the one we elected.

 

[lone wolf]

As usual you're way the **** off track.

To me it seems we forgot some people to thank.

All the women involved from nurses, doctors, admin, air ferrying, and millions of USI volunteers.

Don't forget merchant mariners....

 

[Praxius]

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[YukonJack]

ALERT!

I just heard that J the Bee's knees just thanked the vet at his local animal hospital for curing his pet squirrel.

 

[Kreskin]

Dunno.........:smile:

Maybe he looks like this;-)

LOL, combination of weights and beer curls.

 

[JBeee]

All this `daring to speak one`s mind` must really irk you pretty little flowers, huh?

 

[lone wolf]

Lemme look deep into your eyes so I can read "Made in Canada" on the back of your skull

 

[Cliffy]

Boy, the blood lust in this room is overwhelming. War really does bring out the best in men.

 

[Kreskin]

All this `daring to speak one`s mind` must really irk you pretty little flowers, huh?

No, it's tiring listening to all the weeds whine about where they live.

 

[damngrumpy]

I wonder why it is that some people don't have respect for anything? Do I support everything
our country and military does? NO, but I understand that if WW II were left to some people
who do not understand the basic danger that was posed, we would likely not be here at least
in the manner we are. I am not always in favor of sending troops to every little battle for no
serious reason, but there are times, even when you do not agree with your country at home
that you know it is the right thing to do. My father went, he served in damn near every dirty
fight was fought. He was in North Africa, Sicily, Italy at Ortona no less, he was in France, in
Belgium, Holland and Germany itself. For those who rage against the Capitalist Regimes of
the world, my Father even at 96 when he died was a devoted Social Democrat, and an old
time CCF member with a life membership to boot. I am afraid, when the world is at war you
don't ask the guy next to you if he is a Conservative, or Liberal or Social Democrat, you ask
if he is a good shot. Let us look ahead, Canada did well in Korea, we did well in Peace Keeping
missions, and we held the fort while the Americans were pinned down in Afghanistan.
I am a Social Democrat in some cases and Conservative in others, but I agree the cause in
Afghanistan is the right one. Yes we have relatives in uniform as well. To answer other quick
questions. 911 was an attack on the world, as well as America. There were people in those
buildings from many nations, there were little kids, old people, women, and bright young minds
that could have changed the world.
Now are all fighting people in the wars automatic hero's, there I side with some others. There are
basic hero's I suppose, but I think we diminish the meaning of individual effort hero's when we
make everything of the same level of idol worship. A hero is an unlikely sort usually, someone who
is scared sh**less and does something incredible that sames his comrades. I have been lucky
enough to speak to some, with the medals to prove it, and they told me that.
There are people out there who have done incredible things, that I would regard as a hero and they
rarely if ever spoke about it. The reason we are into hero worship today, is because our society is
so self centered we lost sight of what real hero's were. In a reverse role we are trying to live heroism
through the lives of real hero's that we either never had the chance to be, or we could never measure
up to their bravery, It really angers me, when we, who have done so little for our country feel the need
to piss on the endeavour and achievements of others, with such disrespect. In all too many cases we
couldn't even fit into their socks let alone walk a mile in their shoes. It is time for some respect here.

 

[JBeee]

"911 was an attack on the world, as well as America."....

There I have to disagree. America, the USA, Uncle Sam was attacked on 9/11 for good reason and it had everything to do with thier previous behaviour in those countries of origin.

The USA is despised by most through-out the world over. There is no denying this fact.

That terrorist nation...our neighbours...finally got a taste of the terror it`s been spreading for the last half century we so indifferently and conveniently put a blind eye to.

Not any more. Those brave fighters that chose to attack and continue to defend thier countries, deserve our respect and a place in history as much as those who chose to fight Hitler`s Nazi-Germany.

 

[lone wolf]

Is there anyone you DO like?

 

[Kreskin]

"911 was an attack on the world, as well as America."....

There I have to disagree. America, the USA, Uncle Sam was attacked on 9/11 for good reason and it had everything to do with thier previous behaviour in those countries of origin.

The USA is despised by most through-out the world over. There is no denying this fact.

That terrorist nation...our neighbours...finally got a taste of the terror it`s been spreading for the last half century we so indifferently and conveniently put a blind eye to.

Not any more. Those brave fighters that chose to attack and continue to defend thier countries, deserve our respect and a place in history as much as those who chose to fight Hitler`s Nazi-Germany.

The Progressive Rambler: BBC poll: world's opinion of America improves under Obama

According to that worldwide poll in April, the US had a 46% favorable rating while your best friends like Iran and North Korea were 15% and 17%.

 

[Colpy]

`we` were NOT attacked on 9/11...unless you consider this nation another American state.

But like the ass-kissing nation we`ve become, we certainly did stick our noses into something the Americans had long coming to them.

I believe you, Colpy, are knowingly stretching it when trying to defend the US for it`s bullish ways in the world both past and present wars it started and failed to win.

I admire those old folks that fought in the 1st and 2nd WWs, my old man being one of them.

What sickens me is how todays culture can whip up a war based on lies, our insatiable need for oil, greed and religion and think it can deliver using our `smart` technology and fawning Jewish-run media to propagate those lies.

We`ve sewn the seeds of our own destruction and all that our fore-fathers fought and died for, imo.

We allowed our military power to stagnate, starting with that arsehole Trudeau, because we were protected, safe under the umbrella of the USA in North America, and NATO in the world at large. We signed on to treaties with both entities with our eyes wide open, and then let the big boys carry the weight.

But there was a problem. According to both of our important alliances, an attack on one member is an attack on all members......so, by the very definition, WE were attacked on 9-11, and found ourselves in a place where we had to step up to the plate and live up to our international obligations. It is our fight just as much as it is the Americans' fight....like it or not.

And we have done our duty, our military has done the country proud.

As for support for Israel.....well, I still prefer a modern liberal democracy when the alternative is a medieval terror state......and make no mistake, that is what Israel's enemies are.

"Jewish-run media"??? Gimme a break........for one thing, western Jews outside Israel are usually extremely liberal. Secondly.....do you have a problem letting your views be known??? No. Thirdly, going on about the "Jewish-run media" puts you on parr with some very, very nutty folks.....best to leave that alone......

As for sewing the seeds of our own destruction....I agree our society has degraded. We no longer have the self-confidence we once did, we no longer have cojones.....we no longer seem to be able to let people live free........we have an overwhelming urge, it seems, to suffocate voices we do not like, and to wrap everyone in a straight jacket of safety, security and well-being.........freedom be damned.

That is the fault of our politicians, and the society at large. ALL politicians, of whatever stripe.......

 

[Icarus27k]

I will go to the extent to say that all dirty jobs ( as defined in the axiom "it's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it" ) ideally should be thankless. It's better for all involved (especially young people who may become military members) to not get caught up in this idea that warriors are glorified heroes. Because chances are high, relative to civilian life, that you are going to do some villainous things if you go to war.

 

[JBeee]

Unforgiven, Karrie, Kreskin.....oh, you mean out-side of this forum?

Is there anyone you DO like?

"But there was a problem. According to both of our important alliances, an attack on one member is an attack on all members......so, by the very definition, WE were attacked on 9-11, and found ourselves in a place where we had to step up to the plate and live up to our international obligations. It is our fight just as much as it is the Americans' fight....like it or not."....


We and Our might include the military war parties and those duped into fighting that `war` based on false pretenses but does not involve most civilized Canadians, my-self included.

We allowed our military power to stagnate, starting with that arsehole Trudeau, because we were protected, safe under the umbrella of the USA in North America, and NATO in the world at large. We signed on to treaties with both entities with our eyes wide open, and then let the big boys carry the weight.

But there was a problem. According to both of our important alliances, an attack on one member is an attack on all members......so, by the very definition, WE were attacked on 9-11, and found ourselves in a place where we had to step up to the plate and live up to our international obligations. It is our fight just as much as it is the Americans' fight....like it or not.

And we have done our duty, our military has done the country proud.

As for support for Israel.....well, I still prefer a modern liberal democracy when the alternative is a medieval terror state......and make no mistake, that is what Israel's enemies are.

"Jewish-run media"??? Gimme a break........for one thing, western Jews outside Israel are usually extremely liberal. Secondly.....do you have a problem letting your views be known??? No. Thirdly, going on about the "Jewish-run media" puts you on parr with some very, very nutty folks.....best to leave that alone......

As for sewing the seeds of our own destruction....I agree our society has degraded. We no longer have the self-confidence we once did, we no longer have cojones.....we no longer seem to be able to let people live free........we have an overwhelming urge, it seems, to suffocate voices we do not like, and to wrap everyone in a straight jacket of safety, security and well-being.........freedom be damned.

That is the fault of our politicians, and the society at large. ALL politicians, of whatever stripe.......

 

[damngrumpy]

Let me see we should respect those who fought against our troops and I say ours
because we are in Afghanistan too. The Iraq situation is not part of the 911 conflict
as Iraq had nothing to do with it. Afghanistan as run by the Taliban, hmmm, we are
supposed to honour them the same as those who fought against Hitler? Good God,
these people and their actions, the Taliban, almost made Hitler look respectable.
The Taliban are people who didn't believe children should play. They believed kids,
boys should go to school and learn Islam, and they should be either working or in
prayer or sleeping other than that. Little girls were not even equated with humanity.
they were property, to remain uneducated and virtual surfs. This is by their own
admission not something made up by the west. The Taliban also decided they would
use the nation as a launching pad for their belief system and decided to declare war on
the most powerful military in the world. Someone is questioning their sanity? Their
actions leave nothing to the imagination. America and the west have a vested interest
in the Middle East damn right we do. We have friends both in Israel and the Arab states
as well. Mainstream countries in the Arab world are not crazy about this gang either
that ran Afghanistan. Syria for example, they will back Hezbollah, but they are very
silent about the Taliban, as the Taliban are a threat to the left wing Baath Party.
Taliban is taking the Middle East back to the stone age, somewhat like the
Khmer Rouge did in Cambodia. You seriously would put these murdering thugs in the
same hall of honour as those brave people in Holland and France that fought Hitler?
Logic like that is the same as saying it would be alright for Charles Manson to do his
own Physiological evaluation. One might suggest Saudi Arabia, and some other
countries are as bad. Some are less than ideal granted, but even by the crazy dictates
of the Muslim World the Taliban was an embarrassment to them. Eventually the
Islamic world will evolve, with the introduction of wealth and education, which is still a
long way off, the world of the Taliban and Islamic Fundamentalism is a fascist form
of barbarianism that will impede progress for centuries.
I have many criticisms of America and will always have,
but I would rather have them for a neighbour than the Taliban and almost every other
Canadian, would likely agree. Yes I pay my respect to the men and women who's
responsibility it is to protect and defend the citizens of our country.

 

[JBeee]

Picking and choosing our `enemies` is our problem.

Before 9/11, while the Taliban were conducting business as usual with regards to thier thousand + year old cultural behaviour, we would hardly hear a word from our media on the plight of women etc. but all of a sudden (at least since 9/11) we the west have grave concerns about this distant countries culture and practices.
Don`t you find that kind of strange?
Most of those heros that kicked the USA in the nuts on 9/11 were of Saudi Arabian decent, weren`t they? Yet its business as usual with that oil-rich state.

Fill me in here will ya grumpy.

Let me see we should respect those who fought against our troops and I say ours
because we are in Afghanistan too. The Iraq situation is not part of the 911 conflict
as Iraq had nothing to do with it. Afghanistan as run by the Taliban, hmmm, we are
supposed to honour them the same as those who fought against Hitler? Good God,
these people and their actions, the Taliban, almost made Hitler look respectable.
The Taliban are people who didn't believe children should play. They believed kids,
boys should go to school and learn Islam, and they should be either working or in
prayer or sleeping other than that. Little girls were not even equated with humanity.
they were property, to remain uneducated and virtual surfs. This is by their own
admission not something made up by the west. The Taliban also decided they would
use the nation as a launching pad for their belief system and decided to declare war on
the most powerful military in the world. Someone is questioning their sanity? Their
actions leave nothing to the imagination. America and the west have a vested interest
in the Middle East damn right we do. We have friends both in Israel and the Arab states
as well. Mainstream countries in the Arab world are not crazy about this gang either
that ran Afghanistan. Syria for example, they will back Hezbollah, but they are very
silent about the Taliban, as the Taliban are a threat to the left wing Baath Party.
Taliban is taking the Middle East back to the stone age, somewhat like the
Khmer Rouge did in Cambodia. You seriously would put these murdering thugs in the
same hall of honour as those brave people in Holland and France that fought Hitler?
Logic like that is the same as saying it would be alright for Charles Manson to do his
own Physiological evaluation. One might suggest Saudi Arabia, and some other
countries are as bad. Some are less than ideal granted, but even by the crazy dictates
of the Muslim World the Taliban was an embarrassment to them. Eventually the
Islamic world will evolve, with the introduction of wealth and education, which is still a
long way off, the world of the Taliban and Islamic Fundamentalism is a fascist form
of barbarianism that will impede progress for centuries.
I have many criticisms of America and will always have,
but I would rather have them for a neighbour than the Taliban and almost every other
Canadian, would likely agree. Yes I pay my respect to the men and women who's
responsibility it is to protect and defend the citizens of our country.

 

[karrie]

I'd suggest that if one can't thank a vet on this day, they should realize they also have the option of shutting the hell up. Rememberance day is not FORCED. No one pins you to a chair, slaps a poppy on your chest, and forces you to observe a moment of silence.

So zip it. For one day. Because using this day to make a point, demeans your message.

 

[GreenFish66]

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