Texas school can force teenager to wear locator chip: judge

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Texas school can force teenager to wear locator chip: judge

SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - A public school district in Texas can require students to wear locator chips when they are on school property, a federal judge ruled on Tuesday in a case raising technology-driven privacy concerns among liberal and conservative groups alike.
U.S. District Judge Orlando Garcia said the San Antonio Northside School District had the right to expel sophomore Andrea Hernandez, 15, from a magnet school at Jay High School, because she refused to wear the device, which is required of all students.
The judge refused the student's request to block the district from removing her from the school while the case works its way through the federal courts.
The American Civil Liberties Union is among the rights organizations to oppose the district's use of radio frequency identification, or RFID, technology.
"We don't want to see this kind of intrusive surveillance infrastructure gain inroads into our culture," ACLU senior policy analyst Jay Stanley said. "We should not be teaching our children to accept such an intrusive surveillance technology."
The district's RFID policy has also been criticized by conservatives, who call it an example of "big government" further monitoring individuals and eroding their liberties and privacy rights.
The Rutherford Institute, a conservative Virginia-based policy center that represented Hernandez in her federal court case, said the ruling violated the student's constitutional right to privacy, and vowed to appeal.
The school district - the fourth largest in Texas with about 100,000 students - is not attempting to track or regulate students' activities, or spy on them, district spokesman Pascual Gonzalez said. Northside is using the technology to locate students who are in the school building but not in the classroom when the morning bell rings, he said.
Texas law counts a student present for purposes of distributing state aid to education funds based on the number of pupils in the classroom at the start of the day. Northside said it was losing $1.7 million a year due to students loitering in the stairwells or chatting in the hallways.
The software works only within the walls of the school building, cannot track the movements of students, and does not allow students to be monitored by third parties, Gonzalez said.
The ruling gave Hernandez and her father, an outspoken opponent of the use of RFID technology, until the start of the spring semester later this month to decide whether to accept district policy and remain at the magnet school or return to her home campus, where RFID chips are not required.


Texas school can force teenager to wear locator chip: judge - Yahoo! News Canada


Surely there must be a way to discourage hallway lingering after last bell other than slapping some kind of monitoring device on kids? Weird.
 

karrie

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We're not using it to spy on them, we're using it to track where they are. *facepalm*

If they are not in their seats at bell, they have not earned their classes that day, don't let them attend. Seems simple if you have a system set up that stupidly. Why tracking chips? Sheesh.
 

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When I clicked on this thread I thought the id chip would be related to some crime the kid had committed in the past. I see its for everyone though. That just makes no sense. Its a school, I doubt there are very many moments outside of the bathroom where the students can not be seen by at least one adult.
 

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The land of the individual being forced to conform to nonsense. The problem is the teachers
can't control students and they have no idea where they are. What an admission of failure.
I think the students have a point and I do hope cooler heads prevail in the higher courts. The
ultimate goal is to educate children. Rules and demands like this only encourage students
to drop out of the system. OK they don't get an education so what? Well actually down the
road we as society pay for that in social assistance or in many cases the ideas or inventions
that may not become reality because we lost an opportunity to deal rationally with a problem.
Yes a bit of a stretch but entirely possible.
We had one Grandson who said to hell with this in high school and he quit. He is very smart
and he said the system is about the system not about education. He got his courses and did
it on his own, he also has a trade and his own band in the lower mainland now doing very well.
Unfortunately we are seeing the education systems develop systems for control rather than
educating young people. In many cases if you talk about what is happening outside the window
or down the street the students know more about what is happening than the teachers
 

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The land of the individual being forced to conform to nonsense. The problem is the teachers
can't control students and they have no idea where they are. What an admission of failure.
Who has failed? Not the teachers, they are in their classrooms ready to teach and should not be running all over the school rounding up kids who are willfully late.
OK they don't get an education so what? Well actually down the
road we as society pay for that in social assistance or in many cases the ideas or inventions
that may not become reality because we lost an opportunity to deal rationally with a problem.
Yes a bit of a stretch but entirely possible.
Not a stretch, exactly right.

Unfortunately we are seeing the education systems develop systems for control rather than
educating young people.
Because if you do not have control, no education is going to happen. Because in most cases a teenager is not a rational being who understands that if they do not take advantage of the school system in order to get an education their chances of making a good life other than through crime are severely limited. Because as adults it is our job to enforce (control) their attendance.

In many cases if you talk about what is happening outside the window
or down the street the students know more about what is happening than the teachers
And so they should. It is the teachers job to teach the subject. The kids need to be fully present, they can wonder about occurrences down the road after school.
 

Nuggler

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I'd like to have one for the times I feel lost............:roll:

8O.......My poor wife just looks at me from time to time and screams "STOP IT !!!!:-x
It's then the realization comes that I should shut up.
hooooo new!?
 

Sal

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I'd like to have one for the times I feel lost............:roll:

8O.......My poor wife just looks at me from time to time and screams "STOP IT !!!!:-x
It's then the realization comes that I should shut up.
hooooo new!?
frigging A.... I had a meeting yesterday and parked in a stacked lot... OMG... first got on the wrong elevator, then couldn't get another elevator from where I got off because it was carded-only from that floor, wandered around to find another elevator that I could access, then couldn't find a kiosk to pay before I got to my car,so drove up to the pay arm, couldn't use my credit card because it couldn't read my chip, had to back up and find another parking spot so I could figure out where the freaking pay kiosks were... wandered and wandered, OMG I thought I was gonna be living there for....on a positive note, I did remember where I had parked my car, this time.
 

Nuggler

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frigging A.... I had a meeting yesterday and parked in a stacked lot... OMG... first got on the wrong elevator, then couldn't get another elevator from where I got off because it was carded-only from that floor, wandered around to find another elevator that I could access, then couldn't find a kiosk to pay before I got to my car,so drove up to the pay arm, couldn't use my credit card because it couldn't read my chip, had to back up and find another parking spot so I could figure out where the freaking pay kiosks were... wandered and wandered, OMG I thought I was gonna be living there for....on a positive note, I did remember where I had parked my car, this time.


:lol:.........YARK !!!! I thought I had problems..........Thanks Sal.
 

Sal

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:lol:.........YARK !!!! I thought I had problems..........Thanks Sal.
my biggest accomplishment for the day was getting out of a parking lot without a complete meltdown. although, truth be told I did kinda look at the arm leaver and wonder if it would damage my car much if I just "exited"...lol
 

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This entire thing is just SO insane.

Locator chips??

Really??

Talk about teaching total compliance to anything.

Outrageous.
 

petros

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Or just how they take attendance because that's what this is really all about, a head count.



Haven't known many forgetful teens have ya?
A teen that forgest it's iGadget? They're in those too.

This entire thing is just SO insane.

Locator chips??

Really??

Talk about teaching total compliance to anything.

Outrageous.
But dingos and terrorists might eat the babies!
 

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Texas school can force teenager to wear locator chip: judge

SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - A public school district in Texas can require students to wear locator chips when they are on school property, a federal judge ruled on Tuesday in a case raising technology-driven privacy concerns among liberal and conservative groups alike.
U.S. District Judge Orlando Garcia said the San Antonio Northside School District had the right to expel sophomore Andrea Hernandez, 15, from a magnet school at Jay High School, because she refused to wear the device, which is required of all students.
The judge refused the student's request to block the district from removing her from the school while the case works its way through the federal courts.
The American Civil Liberties Union is among the rights organizations to oppose the district's use of radio frequency identification, or RFID, technology.
"We don't want to see this kind of intrusive surveillance infrastructure gain inroads into our culture," ACLU senior policy analyst Jay Stanley said. "We should not be teaching our children to accept such an intrusive surveillance technology."
The district's RFID policy has also been criticized by conservatives, who call it an example of "big government" further monitoring individuals and eroding their liberties and privacy rights.
The Rutherford Institute, a conservative Virginia-based policy center that represented Hernandez in her federal court case, said the ruling violated the student's constitutional right to privacy, and vowed to appeal.
The school district - the fourth largest in Texas with about 100,000 students - is not attempting to track or regulate students' activities, or spy on them, district spokesman Pascual Gonzalez said. Northside is using the technology to locate students who are in the school building but not in the classroom when the morning bell rings, he said.
Texas law counts a student present for purposes of distributing state aid to education funds based on the number of pupils in the classroom at the start of the day. Northside said it was losing $1.7 million a year due to students loitering in the stairwells or chatting in the hallways.
The software works only within the walls of the school building, cannot track the movements of students, and does not allow students to be monitored by third parties, Gonzalez said.
The ruling gave Hernandez and her father, an outspoken opponent of the use of RFID technology, until the start of the spring semester later this month to decide whether to accept district policy and remain at the magnet school or return to her home campus, where RFID chips are not required.


Texas school can force teenager to wear locator chip: judge - Yahoo! News Canada


Surely there must be a way to discourage hallway lingering after last bell other than slapping some kind of monitoring device on kids? Weird.
yay for nannyism.