Terror: 'We're Going to Get Hit'

[darkbeaver]

I was reading an article the other day, the author stated that Canada would be the likly target, this act of terrorism would hasten our signing the deep integration papers with uncle sham. Islamic Terrorism compared to American led western Imperialism, a one sided contest for suckers.

 

[Curiosity]

Originally Posted by mapleleafgirl
youre wacked. everytime the teachers show films about those towers getting bombed or whatever me and my friends cheer!

MLG

Get off your horse....you are way over the line.

 

[talloola]

youre wacked. everytime the teachers show films about those towers getting bombed or whatever me and my friends cheer

After saying the above words, you have no "right" to criticize the u.s. or anyone else, those remarks are ignorant, and cruel and uncalled for, and you should
be ashamed of yourself and your friends. But, thanks for letting all of us know
about you, because the "above" allows all of us to see "right" through you.

 

[chairmanmiaow]

its easy enough to say you cheered for mass murderers on an internet forum but I wonder if she would actually cheer those deaths in public.i highly doubt it.

 

[talloola]

its easy enough to say you cheered for mass murderers on an internet forum but I wonder if she would actually cheer those deaths in public.i highly doubt it

If she does or doesn't, it's not many people who would say such a thing, and, especially
on an internet one should stop and think before they "speak"
And, if she doesn' mean it, she isn't doing much for her image by spouting
such shamefull remarks, and, until she speaks up and undoes what she has
said, the deed is done.

 

[L Gilbert]

I think there are quite a few of you that are out-to-lunch on this. I don't give a crap if the USA goes and pisses on the rest of the planet's collective campfires, NO-ONE deserves its public terrorized like that ( not Iraq, not the USA, not Pakistan, not Iran, not NKorea, not Britain, no-one) 2 f'n wrongs don't make a right !!!! Another thing is that blaming soldiers for their bosses screwups is also reprehensible.
Get a grip, you people.

 

[gopher]

Crumpton told NEWSWEEK that a worldwide surge in Islamic radicalism has worsened recently, increasing the number of potential terrorists and setting back U.S. efforts in the terror war.


Just a few weeks ago Bush boasted "we are winning the war on terror!"

If the "war" had been won, the war profits for Halliburton would have dried up. Continued war means continued profits. That's why this phony war goes on and on ...

 

[the caracal kid]

of course, gopher.

I still find it frightening that so many people believe that a "war on terror" could ever be won (no matter how winning is defined).

 

[#juan]

Strange thing about the "war on terror".

If it is won, how will we know? As far as I know there is no set objective that has to be taken, no line that must be crossed. Who will judge when the war is won? I can't think of a bigger waste of time or lives.

 

[TomG]

We in the west cannot keep playing I’m ‘alright jack’ and blame those we call terrorists for the violence and depravity we find ourselves experiencing (mostly through our news media). We consistently ignore our own role in creating terrorism. We have been on a consumption binge that is financed by the poorest people on earth and the consequences of our consumption are misery and death for others.

We enjoy our material prosperity and deny any responsibility for the consequences to others what so ever. We hide behind our grotesquely simplistic ideologies and draw ourselves up in great, noble and altruistic causes--causes that add to our material prosperity and to the misery of others. We live and experience through our news media. We take our truths from self-serving elected leaders in the news. We live our lives as witnesses before phosphorescent screens. We consume, and in doing so we kill anonymously and through abstractions. Blood, however, is not an abstraction, When blood is shed there is death—whether it is our death or terrorist’s deaths.

Terrorist is an abstraction. A person who sets off a bomb in a public place is not an abstraction. A person who makes decisions to cut costs and risk environmental disasters in other countries also is not an abstraction. People die just the same. Economic development will cure poverty is an abstraction. A child starves isn’t abstract. Thousands of children die daily and we offer abstract cures. The cures are not realistic in terms of science. We have our consumption though, and we have our lives lived through abstraction. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Nobody deserves to live under the threat of violence. Abstract, but true enough. The terrorists are always somebody else.

The war on terror can’t be won until we accept responsibility for our lives and all that is done in our names. ‘I’m alright Jack’ is irresponsible. There are better ways to live. Albert Camus tells us that we can’t live moral lives unless we experience life directly. That is a better way. Jared Diamond ‘Collapse,’ Chomsky’s ‘Survival and Hegemony,’ and Stiglitz’s ‘Globalization and its Discontents’ tell us how the world works. We must experience that world for ourselves. Stiglitz offers a solution in ‘Making Globalization Work.’ We cannot live without hope, and neither can those we call terrorists.

 

[darkbeaver]

I have come to believe that TWOT can and will be won, and I have believed that since it was declared. Those who use terror will ultimately provide the solution. The engineers of terror will become the victims of that same terror. Like WMD'S terror once initiated cannot be controled and recognizes no flag, no religion, no ideology, no currency.:wave:

 

[AndyF]

Well said Tom!

And to top it all off, we fend off the world's retribution with outdated chivalrous high tech standing armies, where each side is supposed to have some dignity and expected to behave in a certain manner. We just don't get it that this style is no longer in vogue and is passe. We will define dirty tricks of the other guy as terrorist tactics, which are just indicators of this new style. The "should be long ago retired" pentagon generals will recommend the antiquated styles of the past, an that will give us a false reassurance. There's no room for diplomacy or common sense in the strategy chart rooms.

There no longer will be carrier deck surrenders, the legions will no longer line up on some firing line , will no longer fight at a designated hour,week,month,year,decade as per schedule.

Covert operations is the norm now. Playgrounds will now become minefields.

We will fall for the soft sell that our "Fort Apache America" will always stand, so we go on doing what we will. But we had better make sure that every chink in the pallisade is sound, that the 5 tons of Cesium 137 that is not accounted for is just a myth, and we'll ignore the fact we can only monitor 2% of our imports.

We sure are boisterous and arrogant for a nation who is so vulnerable.

AndyF

 

[#juan]

That's right.

The Americans should keep their soldiers home.

That way, we could all be wearing swastikas and shooting "Heil Hitler" at each other.

Or we could be undergoing benovelent re-education in a Canadian Gulag under the supervision of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Geezus! These people are our allies, and our friends. Yes, they have become involved in things and places they should have stayed away from, such as Vietnam, and yes on occassion their actions have been reprehensible.......as in Latin America.

But had they "stayed home" over the last 75 years, we'd be in one hell of a mess.

These are our ALLIES!

Colpy, I don't agree with mapleleafgirl but Canada's contribution to both world wars and Korea was impressive by any standards. Maybe fewer Canadians would have been killed if the Americans had got off their a$$es instead supplying arms to Germany and watching the rest of us fight for over two years in both world wars.. At the end of the second world war, Canada, a country of only ten million people, had one of the largest military forces in the world. As far as I'm concerned, the Americans didn't save me from anything. We saved ourselves with our great contribution to the allied war effort.

We did ourselves proud during the cold war as well....I was there.

 

[mabudon]

Hey, where ya been Beav??

Of course the US is going to get "hit", or "American Interests Abroad" at the very least- the latter is inescapable, since there are so many fingers in so many pies, and even attacking US military installations in places where they have no real reason to exist can and will be spun into "Terror" by the MSM

The "war on Terror" is SO dumb it hurts.

And as a final thing about 9-11- well, shock and awe aside, all's I kept thinking was that, after hearing the debates for the 2000 election, was "Well, George Bush did swear to 'reform the American military' and 're-define the way wars are fought in the 21st century'" and it was obvious to me that no matter how horrific the scene (and no matter how or what was responsible, tho I was surprised at how fast the media came up with a largely unknown figure to pin it on conclusively) it was going to be used as the carte blanche and give the US a "reason" to go and raise hell all over the globe... I do not cheer it, but rather view it with a grim certainty taht someone, somewhere, in the halls of power in the US no doubt cheered it, not for what it was but for what it could become


So yeah, in closing, I will NOT be too sad if more attacks happen, same as whenever you see "that guy" who always gets beat up looking like he just got beaten up again- no satisfaction, but a sense of "if you really don't wanna get beat up, figure out why it keeps happening and STOP DOING IT, until that time, I can only feel sorry for you"

Why can't the US return to their much vaunted (and totally fallacious, but it's presented as fact) "Isolationist" period, that would likely end the "war" as it might very well end the "terror". "They" don't hate "our way of life" until "our way of life" is going and stomping all over "their way of life"

 

[Colpy]

I am absolutely not belittling Canada's contribution in both world wars, and Korea.

We lost more people than the Americans in the First World War. They were late-comers, not getting in until 1917. BUT they helped turn the tide.

In World War Two, we lost a greater proportion of our population than the United States. This is also due to the fact we fought for two years longer than they did. Those losses would include my uncle, shot down over Germany in a Wellington bomber in the summer of 1941. BUT the Americans retook the Pacific practically single-handedly (with the ANZACS, great soldiers), and put 10 million in uniform. Not only that, 6 months after their entry, US military production was more than Germany and Japan combined..............without the USA we would have had a very nasty time indeed........the war would have lasted years longer, IF we had managed to win.........and most certainly our victory would have been achieved mostly by Uncle Joe STalin............leaving that murderer (worse than Hitler) in control of continental Europe. Talk about a jump from the frying pan to the fire!

In the Cold War, Korea et al, it was the USA that did the lion's share............the USSR did not stay out of Europe because they feared the Canadians.........

They feared American power.

The Americans are our allies.

Which was my point.

 

[#juan]

The key word is they helped turn the tide in the first war.

The Germans might have been beaten earlier in WW2 without the Americans supplying war materials to them for the first two years. Again, the American war production swung the war, but the Americans didn't win it all by themselves like every bloody American movie shows. Canada had a million in uniform and our war effort by our Army, Air Force, and Navy, was second to none.

 

[darkbeaver]

Hey, where ya been Beav??

Of course the US is going to get "hit", or "American Interests Abroad" at the very least- the latter is inescapable, since there are so many fingers in so many pies, and even attacking US military installations in places where they have no real reason to exist can and will be spun into "Terror" by the MSM

The "war on Terror" is SO dumb it hurts.

And as a final thing about 9-11- well, shock and awe aside, all's I kept thinking was that, after hearing the debates for the 2000 election, was "Well, George Bush did swear to 'reform the American military' and 're-define the way wars are fought in the 21st century'" and it was obvious to me that no matter how horrific the scene (and no matter how or what was responsible, tho I was surprised at how fast the media came up with a largely unknown figure to pin it on conclusively) it was going to be used as the carte blanche and give the US a "reason" to go and raise hell all over the globe... I do not cheer it, but rather view it with a grim certainty taht someone, somewhere, in the halls of power in the US no doubt cheered it, not for what it was but for what it could become


So yeah, in closing, I will NOT be too sad if more attacks happen, same as whenever you see "that guy" who always gets beat up looking like he just got beaten up again- no satisfaction, but a sense of "if you really don't wanna get beat up, figure out why it keeps happening and STOP DOING IT, until that time, I can only feel sorry for you"

Why can't the US return to their much vaunted (and totally fallacious, but it's presented as fact) "Isolationist" period, that would likely end the "war" as it might very well end the "terror". "They" don't hate "our way of life" until "our way of life" is going and stomping all over "their way of life"

Greetings comrade brother Mabudon, I've been in the forest plotting the destruction of the Empire. The war on terror is dumb, just as dumb are the initiators of such a war, the best case for the study of blowback.
To get back to the topic",Terror; were going to get hit", I've been reading a bit lately about North American Union, it seems a safe bet that Canada will be the subject of attack this year, this will be used to push deep integration with Uncle Sham, this means the end of a soverign Canada.
We should start a contest to name the wall arround fortress North America. This will be the ultimate American example of isolationist policy.:read2:

 

[darkbeaver]

I am absolutely not belittling Canada's contribution in both world wars, and Korea.

We lost more people than the Americans in the First World War. They were late-comers, not getting in until 1917. BUT they helped turn the tide.

In World War Two, we lost a greater proportion of our population than the United States. This is also due to the fact we fought for two years longer than they did. Those losses would include my uncle, shot down over Germany in a Wellington bomber in the summer of 1941. BUT the Americans retook the Pacific practically single-handedly (with the ANZACS, great soldiers), and put 10 million in uniform. Not only that, 6 months after their entry, US military production was more than Germany and Japan combined..............without the USA we would have had a very nasty time indeed........the war would have lasted years longer, IF we had managed to win.........and most certainly our victory would have been achieved mostly by Uncle Joe STalin............leaving that murderer (worse than Hitler) in control of continental Europe. Talk about a jump from the frying pan to the fire!

In the Cold War, Korea et al, it was the USA that did the lion's share............the USSR did not stay out of Europe because they feared the Canadians.........

They feared American power.

The Americans are our allies.

Which was my point.

The cold war was a scam Colpy engineered by the Corporate Security Complex, the only thing it saved us from was universal social programes. The Americans have no allies, they have only temporary business partners. American power is fear.:wave: It's nice to see your still among the quick.

 

[talloola]

Hey, where ya been Beav??

So yeah, in closing, I will NOT be too sad if more attacks happen, same as whenever you see "that guy" who always gets beat up looking like he just got beaten up again- no satisfaction, but a sense of "if you really don't wanna get beat up, figure out why it keeps happening and STOP DOING IT, until that time, I can only feel sorry for you"

You are validating Osama Bin Laden with your comments, he did not represent anybody, or any
country, he was thrown out of Saudi Arabia, (his birthplace), and his group who attacked on
Sept. 11, were not representing any muslims, arabs, or any country at all, so you give him
respect, I would wonder why, and state the u.s. was asking for that, how could that be, in
this case.

 

[darkbeaver]

Hey, where ya been Beav??

So yeah, in closing, I will NOT be too sad if more attacks happen, same as whenever you see "that guy" who always gets beat up looking like he just got beaten up again- no satisfaction, but a sense of "if you really don't wanna get beat up, figure out why it keeps happening and STOP DOING IT, until that time, I can only feel sorry for you"

You are validating Osama Bin Laden with your comments, he did not represent anybody, or any
country, he was thrown out of Saudi Arabia, (his birthplace), and his group who attacked on
Sept. 11, were not representing any muslims, arabs, or any country at all, so you give him
respect, I would wonder why, and state the u.s. was asking for that, how could that be, in
this case.

Bin Laden, christ does anybody still believe that crap? What's he done for us lately?