Taking shoes off at peoples homes...

[karrie]

You guys just showed why some people get so uncomfortable drinking in front of non-drinkers. As defensive as you feel having a drink pushed on you, is how they feel when they know or suspect your attitude about 'drinkers'.

It's a pity more people can't tone down the judgment a wee bit on what really, is such a ridiculous thing, and just let people make the choices that fit for them.

 

[kiwi_NZ]

cold glass of red wine was offered I'd take it.

JLM, a cold glass of red wine? Yikes. You don’t drink red wine chilled.

I drank enough for 25 years to saturate the whole block

I still drink regularly; I haven’t had my fill yet. But I like expensive stuff (expensive whiskey, cognac, liquors etc.). Since we travel abroad quite a bit, we buy most of our alcohol from the duty free shops.

Oooh, you have great taste SJP, and exspensive taste.

I too prefer chilled wine, has to be cold. NON alcoholic dry white. When I was a drinker also preferred chilled wine, and prior to that I drank chilled beer. Wine is meant to be at room temp in most cases but who wants warmish wine in the middle of summer, B L E R K !

 

[karrie]

Oooh, you have great taste SJP, and exspensive taste.

I too prefer chilled wine, has to be cold. NON alcoholic dry white. When I was a drinker also preferred chilled wine, and prior to that I drank chilled beer. Wine is meant to be at room temp in most cases but who wants warmish wine in the middle of summer, B L E R K !

It all depends on the wine and the pallet. I've had reds that were lovely chilled. Carmenere springs readily to mind, and my husband and I had a lovely sparkling red in Paris (Lambrusco if I recall correctly) that was beautiful chilled.

I've seen people who can't stand their wine without icecubes in it (seriously). But, if it tastes foul to them without ice, then who am I to say it's best at room temperature? Clearly they don't have the same tongue as I do.

 

[kiwi_NZ]

It all depends on the wine and the pallet. I've had reds that were lovely chilled. Carmenere springs readily to mind, and my husband and I had a lovely sparkling red in Paris (Lambrusco if I recall correctly) that was beautiful chilled.

I've seen people who can't stand their wine without icecubes in it (seriously). But, if it tastes foul to them without ice, then who am I to say it's best at room temperature? Clearly they don't have the same tongue as I do.

Wine with ice cubes? How odd! Watering it down so to speak, yuck! I like chilled wine not with ice cubes, double blerk.

Yes agree, everyone has different taste, imagine if we all liked the same thing, we'd be boring old farts before our time

 

[kiwi_NZ]

I have to agree with both you and Karrie- I drank enough for 25 years to saturate the whole block & then I decided I'd had enough as it was taking more out of me than I was getting out of it. I still drink- maybe once or twice a year and if a cold glass of red wine was offered I'd take it. That aside, there is something wrong with someone who has a compulsion for others to drink, so the best way to handle it is just to say "coffee is fine" (or tea or juice or milk) and if they ask again the best response is F*** OFF.

Reckon I better not tell the first Canadian hostess I have dinner with to F**K off! (lol) Imagine the look I would get! This Kiwi butt would get kicked out into the snow!

I've told her I don't drink, that should as you say be enough and I plan on taking my own anyway. and SJP's advice is brilliant and polite and should cause no upsets for the hostess nor myself.

I used to love my wine and I smoked as much as I drank and as I'd decided to quit smoking I thought I'd quit the drinking too and I love not having either in my life. I don't like drunks but I do love fun! and socialising and having a blast and you don't need grog to have a good time but some people do. Some

 

[kiwi_NZ]

I have to agree with both you and Karrie- I drank enough for 25 years to saturate the whole block & then I decided I'd had enough as it was taking more out of me than I was getting out of it. I still drink- maybe once or twice a year and if a cold glass of red wine was offered I'd take it. That aside, there is something wrong with someone who has a compulsion for others to drink, so the best way to handle it is just to say "coffee is fine" (or tea or juice or milk) and if they ask again the best response is F*** OFF.

Reckon I better not tell the first Canadian hostess I have dinner with to F**K off! (lol) Imagine the look I would get! This Kiwi butt would get kicked out into the snow!

I've told her I don't drink, that should as you say be enough and I plan on taking my own anyway. and SJP's advice is brilliant and polite and should cause no upsets for the hostess nor myself.

I used to love my wine and I smoked as much as I drank and as I'd decided to quit smoking I thought I'd quit the drinking too and I love not having either in my life. I don't like drunks but I do love fun! and socialising and having a blast and you don't need grog to have a good time but some people do. Some people really loosen up after a few drinks and are more fun to be around My daughter hopes to find some nice non alcohol wine before I arrive We have "Luxon" here and it is really lovely

 

[talloola]

You guys just showed why some people get so uncomfortable drinking in front of non-drinkers. As defensive as you feel having a drink pushed on you, is how they feel when they know or suspect your attitude about 'drinkers'.

It's a pity more people can't tone down the judgment a wee bit on what really, is such a ridiculous thing, and just let people make the choices that fit for them.

That's right, and my point in the other post, 'the two just don't mix' is so true,
so the two types just drift apart, each going their own way, finding the people
who suit them better, but sometimes they have to mix, and it's much easier
for drinkers to mix, than non drinkers, as they drink and do what they do,
and don't care about who else is around them, not that easy to be a non drinker
and try to survive a gathering of drinkers, always have to politely leave early.
And, that's OK.

 

[kiwi_NZ]

I don't mind drinkers in the slightest, so long as they don't get drunk and all stupid around me i.e. lose control of where they're at. On the contrary I cannot be around smokers, I just can't tolerate breathing in the smoke I chose to quit!

 

[karrie]

I think the difference is whether you're hanging around drinkers, or hanging around drunks. I have friends who don't drink. They come out dancing with us, they come to parties at our house. They fit in just fine.

 

[JLM]

I think the difference is whether you're hanging around drinkers, or hanging around drunks. I have friends who don't drink. They come out dancing with us, they come to parties at our house. They fit in just fine.

I have no problems and a lot of tolerance for drinkers, until they become obnoxious, I don't mind any other behaviour too much, joking, laughing, slurring, falling down.

 

[kiwi_NZ]

Karrie and JLM, I agree wholeheartedly. Well said to you both..

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I too prefer chilled wine, has to be cold. NON alcoholic dry white.

Kiwi, whites are usually drunk chilled. As for non alcoholic beverages, anything goes.

Wine with ice cubes? How odd! Watering it down so to speak, yuck!

Indeed, Kiwi. What is this world coming to? Incidentally, do they make any good wines in New Zealand? There are some excellent Australian wines (Such as Shiraz).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You bet the chillier the better. I know it's customary to drink red wine at room temperature, but I much prefer it chilled and there's just no sense in being too faced about it to the point you don't enjoy it. One theory I've heard about "room temperature" is that it all got started in medieval England, when room temp. was quite often about 55F.

JLM, if you want to drink the red wine chilled, that is your business. However, your argument does not make sense. Why would room temperature in England be relevant to wine making?

France and Italy are the bastions of red wine making. In the regions where red wine is made (regions such as Bordeaux), room temperature can go fairly high, especially in summer. So the argument does not hold water.

However, the argument is valid for scotch. Scotch is native to Scotland and in Scotland the temperature does not go all that high, even in summer. So while Scots drink scotch at room temperature (they drink what they call 'whiskey neat'), scotch on the rocks is a very popular drink.

But wine on the rocks? Yikes! Well each one to his own, I suppose.

 

[kiwi_NZ]

I too prefer chilled wine, has to be cold. NON alcoholic dry white.

Kiwi, whites are usually drunk chilled. As for non alcoholic beverages, anything goes.

Wine with ice cubes? How odd! Watering it down so to speak, yuck!

Indeed, Kiwi. What is this world coming to? Incidentally, do they make any good wines in New Zealand? Tehre are soem excellent Australian wines (Such as Shiraz).

Hiya SJP

Indeed we do have some of the finest wines in the world and just for you I found this link: New Zealand wine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and a great read for a man with great taste.

I must say when I said I prefer chilled wine, I meant for all / any wine / red white or bubbles... Perhaps I sould have said any drink (lol) You get the picture

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Hiya SJP

Indeed we do have some of the finest wines in the world and just for you I found this link: New Zealand wine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and a great read for a man with great taste.

I must say when I said I prefer chilled wine, I meant for all / any wine / red white or bubbles... Perhaps I sould have said any drink (lol) You get the picture

Thanks. I may just try New Zealand wines one of these days.

 

[talloola]

I don't mind drinkers in the slightest, so long as they don't get drunk and all stupid around me i.e. lose control of where they're at.

Exactly.

 

[Nuggler]

Are you being nice to me? Is this the nice you coming out?

Well, when I heard you liked dogs.............


:grommit:

 

[JLM]

JLM, if you want to drink the red wine chilled, that is your business. However, your argument does not make sense. Why would room temperature in England be relevant to wine making?

France and Italy are the bastions of red wine making. In the regions where red wine is made (regions such as Bordeaux), room temperature can go fairly high, especially in summer. So the argument does not hold water.

However, the argument is valid for scotch. Scotch is native to Scotland and in Scotland the temperature does not go all that high, even in summer. So while Scots drink scotch at room temperature (they drink what they call 'whiskey neat'), scotch on the rocks is a very popular drink.

But wine on the rocks? Yikes! Well each one to his own, I suppose.

I think it does as English people are also wine drinkers and a lot of Canadians follow old English customs, regardless of where the wine comes from.

 

[kiwi_NZ]

Well, when I heard you liked dogs.............


:grommit:

Well well well I'll be darned

I L O V E dogs more than anything! You seen mine? I have a few pix of them in my album on profile. You got any pics? What sort of dogs do you have? Bull terriers? Bullies I bet (lol)

I've had 2 bullies over the years and my bitch was an amazing wee girl, I called her Peppy

 

[TenPenny]

cold glass of red wine was offered I'd take it.

JLM, a cold glass of red wine? Yikes. You don’t drink red wine chilled.

Spoken like someone who doesn't quite know enough, but pretends to.

White wine should be taken OUT of the cooler about 20 min before serving; red wine should be put IN the cooler about 20 min before serving.