SYRIA: On going Horror

Danbones

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Well after all this time, not one thing netanyahoo said about Iraq has been proved true...
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NOT ONE THING!!!
 

coldstream

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I think Trump is under the thumb of Israel's Netanyahu, the vision of Greater Israel including the West Bank & all of Jerusalem and a permanent concentration of Palestinians in refugee camps and inarable deserts. It's a vision supported by the powerful Jewish and Evangelical electoral lobbies in America.

It was behind Trump's moving of the American embassy to Jerusalem, to his recent attacks on Syria for gas attacks that were almost certainly orchestrated by Mossad and Anti-Assad militias.. and now for pulling out the Syrian Nuclear agreement.. without any proof that Syria has broken the treaty or has an active nuclear weapons program.

America needs to refocus on its national priorities, its collapsing industry, it polarization of wealth and unravelling social cohesion. To do that it needs to get away from the being a global policeman and, especially, a guarantor of Israeli security instead of an honest, independent and objective broker of Middle East Peace.
 
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Twin_Moose

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I agree with coldstream and all of you that posted to my question, Israel does have a legit concern and it is time for ME to step up and take control of their mess. Britain and France should also step up they helped create a lot of the problems from the beginning by messing with territorial borders. Let Turkey have their Ottoman empire back
 

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Netanyahu Provides Stunning New Evidence That Iranians Planned Sacking Of Babylon In 539 B.C.
May 01, 2018

Presenting the documents as proof that Iran entered the Joint Comprehensive Plan nuclear agreement in bad faith, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday provided what he is calling “stunning new evidence” that Iranians planned the 539 B.C. sacking of Babylon.

“This trove of recently uncovered top-secret information proves Iran is a dangerous nation that withheld key details concerning their sixth-century B.C. conquest of Mesopotamia during nuclear program negotiations,” said Netanyahu, who claimed Mossad agents infiltrated Iranian facilities to capture thousands of pages of charts, maps, and official correspondence detailing the nation’s clandestine efforts to overthrow the Ptolemaic Dynasty and subjugate the Cappadocians.

“The Iran nuclear deal’s framework is premised on misleading information—not only did Iran fail to mention attacking Babylon, but we also have proof that Xerxes I planned to cross the Hellespont in 481 B.C. to land 50 war elephants at Byzantium. Israeli intelligence has also obtained proof that thousands of spears and chariots were stockpiled for a surprise excursion into Parthia. As a result, we have no choice but to tear up the nuclear deal.”

Netanyahu also claimed to have uncovered secret Iranian plans for the 1979 kidnapping of 52 American citizens.
https://www.theonion.com/netanyahu-provides-stunning-new-evidence-that-iranians-1825694150
 
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Wasn't there a gas attack when Obama was the President? As a matter of fact, there were people who called that a hoax. Why would you say the gas attack was a hoax, Gopher?


I remember that the MSM reported such an attack but do not recall what was reported on antiwar or other sources which reveal the truth about it. But, as always, the burden of proof is on the party which claims another has violated international law.

Was there a trial at the Hague?
Did the UN impose sanctions?
Was Assad punished by any international authority?


Unless you can answer these questions in the affirmative, as you as you are concerned, the claims that he used outlawed poison gas are baseless as well.

Do you think Israel is crying wolf or do they have a legit concern with Iran having bases within spittin distance


Iran, not Israel, is the one surrounded by enemies:


 

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more proof that Trump reports of gas "attacks" are FAKE
I am certainly no fan of Trump, but since I don't debate children or the mentally retarded I will not converse with you any further.

Have a grrrreat day,
 

Danbones

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I don't debate children or the mentally retarded I will not converse with you any further.

While you talk to yourself dearie...
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then leak the memos.
 

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Netanyahu's Iran Speech in Context: Irony, Hypocrisy and the Undeclared Hijacking of U.S. Foreign Policy
By Adeyinka Makinde
May 03, 2018
Adeyinka Makinde, Writer: Netanyahu's Iran Speech in Context: Irony, Hypocrisy and the Undeclared Hijacking of U.S. Foreign Policy

The reason why Israel wants Iranian aid to Hezbollah cut off and the organisation destroyed is not hard to fathom. Hezbollah is the only armed force within the Arab world willing and capable of taking on the Israeli military. Israel has for long coveted southern Lebanon up to the River Litani. But Hezbollah has twice inflicted humiliating defeats on Israel: first in 2000 when Israel was forced to withdraw after an 18-year occupation of the southern part of Lebanon which had commenced with a bloody invasion, and secondly in 2006 when Israel was forced to withdraw after sustaining heavy losses during a 34-day conflict.

Apart from the aforementioned goal of breaking the conduit between Iran and Hezbollah, the balkanisation of Syria would mean that any of the successor states would find it difficult to make a claim for the Golan Heights which Israel conquered in 1967 and which it illegally annexed in 1981. Israel is also supportive of the idea of a Kurdish state being created out of Syria as a means through which the transfer of oil and gas could be facilitated.

Much evidence exists of a pre-existing Israeli plan to destroy Syria. The Yinon Plan of 1982 and a series of position papers produced by Israel-friendly neoconservative ideologues in the United States (the Project for the New American Century’s ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses - Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century’ in 2000) as well as for the Israeli government (‘A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm’ in 1996) bear this out. Each document clearly calls for the neutralising or the “rolling back” of several states including Syria.

The Yinon Plan, the name given to a paper entitled ‘A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s’ which was published in February 1982 in Kivunim (Directions), a journal written in Hebrew, set out Israel’s enduring aim of balkanising the surrounding Arab and Muslim world into ethnic and sectarian mini-states. Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq were prime candidates.

It was not a unique or suddenly arrived at policy, but simply set out in detail an overarching policy pursued by Israel’s leaders since the founding of the state. For instance, the diaries of Moshe Sharett, an early prime minister of Israel, laid bare David Ben Gurion and Moshe Dayan’s aim of weakening Lebanon by exacerbating tensions between its Muslim and Christian population in the course of which Dayan hoped that a Christian military officer would declare a Christian state out of which the region south of the River Litani would be ceded to Israel.

A crucial point to mention is that the policy of the United States towards Syria and others is congruent with that of Israel. In fact, America has been pursuing a two-decade long strategy aimed at destabilisation and balkanisation regardless of the political stripe of the president in office. After the attack of 9/11, the United States set in motion a plan, in the words of retired U.S. General Wesley Clark, “to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran”.
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Other Sources:

This interview took place 5 years prior to the first protests in Syria which began in March 2011. As you can see, the plans were already in place long before 2011.

"CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Mr. President, you know the rhetoric of regime change is headed towards you from the United States. They are actively looking for a new Syrian leader. They're granting visas and visits to Syrian opposition politicians. They're talking about isolating your diplomatically and, perhaps, a coup d'etat or your regime crumbling. What are you thinking about that?"
October 12, 2005
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/international/2012/07/11/exp-amanpour-assad-2005.cnn
http://www.presidentassad.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=112:president-assad-cnn-interview-october-12-2005

"JOHN KERRY, Secretary Of State: ....With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assess, the answer is profoundly yes.”
“They have. That offer is on the table.”
....“In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost.”
“That’s how dedicated they are at this. That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it, but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done.”
September 04, 2013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...iveblog/the-houses-syria-hearing-live-updates

Hillary Clinton brief on Syria from Clinton emails
(date is 2012 not 2001--an error by U.S. State Department)
"The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad.
What Israeli military leaders really worry about ... but cannot talk about ... is losing their nuclear monopoly."


New Iran And Syria 2.Doc
UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05794498 Date: 11/30/2015
January 01, 2012
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/851481351241039872
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328#efmADQAFfASJAT7

WikiLeaks: Cable
Influencing The SARG In The End Of 2006
December 13, 2006
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html

Wikileaks: Hillary Clinton admitted "AQ is on our side in Syria"
e-Mail:
From: Jake Sullivan
To: Hillary Clinton
See last item - AQ is on our side in Syria. Otherwise, things have basically turned out as expected.
February 12, 2012
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/23225#efmAGIAHu

Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

What do these seven countries have in common? In the context of banking, one that sticks out is that none of them is listed among the 56 member banks of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS).

"In October 2000 Iraq insisted on dumping the US dollar - 'the currency of the enemy' - for the more multilateral euro."
--Faisal Islam, Iraq nets handsome profit by dumping dollar for euro, February 16, 2003--
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2003/feb/16/iraq.theeuro
The Invasion of Iraq: Dollar vs Euro Re-denominating Iraqi oil in U. S. dollars, instead of the euro

Several writers have noted the odd fact that the Libyan rebels took time out from their rebellion in March to create their own central bank - this before they even had a government.
Robert Wenzel wrote in the Economic Policy Journal: "I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising. This suggests we have a bit more than a rag tag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences."
EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Libyan Rebels Form Central Bank

Alex Newman wrote in the New American: "In a statement released last week, the rebels reported on the results of a meeting held on March 19. Among other things, the supposed rag-tag revolutionaries announced the [d]esignation of the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya and appointment of a Governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi."
Newman quoted CNBC senior editor John Carney, who asked, Is this the first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power? It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world...libyan-rebels-create-central-bank-oil-company
https://www.cnbc.com/id/42308613
--Ellen Brown, Libya: All About Oil, Or All About Banking?, April 08, 2011--
LIBYA: ALL ABOUT OIL, OR ALL ABOUT BANKING?
 
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Lebanon election held today .... Polls suggest huge-huge gains for Hezbollah. Some suggestions that in every precinct which Hezbollah had a candidate in, it won.

Bad news for Israel and its supporters.
 

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Lebanon election held today .... Polls suggest huge-huge gains for Hezbollah. Some suggestions that in every precinct which Hezbollah had a candidate in, it won.

Bad news for Israel and its supporters.
Every precinct where Hezbollah counted the votes they won . Funny how that works .
 

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Iran breaks the Rules of Engagement: Israel takes its Revenge, and Syria and Iran impose the Golan Equation
By Elijah J. Magnier
May 10, 2018
https://ejmagnier.com/2018/05/10/ir...-and-syria-and-iran-impose-the-golan-equation

Israel hits Syrian and Iranian objectives and weapons warehouses again (evacuated weeks before) for the fourth time in a month. 28 Israeli jets participated in the biggest attack since 1974. Tel Aviv informed the Russian leadership of its intentions without succeeding in stopping the Syrian leadership from responding. Actually, what is new is the location where Damascus decided to hit back: the occupied Golan Heights (20 rockets were fired at Israeli military positions).

Syria, in coordination with its Iranian allies (without taking into consideration Russian wishes) took a very audacious decision to fire back against Israeli targets in the Golan. This indicates that Damascus and its allies are ready to widen the battle, in response to continual Israeli provocations.....

Regardless of how many Israeli jets took part in the latest attack against Iranian and Syrian objectives and how many missiles were launched or intercepted, a serious development has occurred: the Syrian high command broke all rules and found no obstacle to bombing Israel in the occupied Golan Heights......

The Israeli Iron Dome is inefficient and unable to protect Israel from rockets and missiles launched simultaneously. Now the battle has moved into Syrian territory occupied by Israel to the dislike of Tel Aviv, and Russia. Iran and Syria are not taking into consideration Russia’s concern to keep the level of tension low if Israel is not controlling itself. Syria recognises the importance of Russia and its efficient role in stopping the war in Syria and all the military and political support Moscow is offering. However, Damascus and Tehran have other considerations and for the purpose of containing Israel. They have trained over 16 local Syrian groups ready to liberate the Golan Heights or to clash with any possible Israeli advance into Syrian territory.

Israel triggered what it has always feared and has managed to get a new battlefield, the Golan heights. It is true that Israel limited itself to bombing weapons warehouses never hit before. It has bombed bases where Iranian advisors are based along with Syrian officers (Russia cleared most positions to avoid the embarrassment of being hit by Israel). It is also true that Israel didn’t regularly bomb Iranian military and transport aircraft carrying weapons to Syria, or the main Iranian centre of control and command at Damascus airport. This means that not all parties are pushing for a wider escalation, so far.

Can the situation get out of control? Of course it can, the question is when!.
 

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America as isreals' get out of jail free card at un is troubling enough but now with trump being netanyahus' bitch and the mad dog team of bolton and pompeo in exec positions assad best make funeral arrangements. Cia will not be denied assads' corpse not matter the mid east rubble it'll create nor innocent lives snuffed out, u.s. self proclaimed exceptionalism makes em' impervious to pesky morals.

I say that the United States of America is a unique experiment in history. I believe in American exceptionalism. I wasn't for sending ground forces into Libya. It would have been counterproductive, but we are an inspiration to these people. I know because I've looked them in the eyes, and they looked at me. They look to America for inspiration and leadership.
John McCain

No question Mr. McCain be a heroic and brave warrior but he's also a unrelenting hawk n' firm believer in this jingoism, sadly exceptionalism is u.s. mega corps theme song n' conflict their fav cash cow.
 

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Regime change in America would save some of America, possibly the rough outline perhaps, but certainly would save much/most of the rest of the world from that same perpetual American exceptionalist regime. From the point of view of benevolent human efficiency everything should be done to compell an American regime change. They love and laud thier favourite military/political medicine as they suggest slash apply it to other nations no matter the human and material cost. Time for history to spoon the sickening sweet cough syrup into America with a shovel. Americans cannot save thier doomed demonic dollar. Is there really any gold in Fort Knox? That,s what happens when Zion shjts in your house from dawn till dusk 24/7.