SYRIA: On going Horror

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Nato is setting the stage and americas' #1 hawk is writing the script: “We’ve tried to convey the message in recent days that if there’s a third use of chemical weapons, the response will be much stronger,” Bolton said in a speech on Monday in Washington. “I can say we’ve been in consultations with the British and the French who have joined us in the second strike and they also agree that another use of chemical weapons will result in a much stronger response.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...chard-black-uk-mi6-assad-russia-a8529681.html
Appears u.s. blood lust will only be satisfied with assads' head on a platter, they exhibit indignant anguish when their nato partner erdogan kills a terrorist or two that they have armed yet have no reservations whatsoever about staging an idlib blood bath.
 

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Assad isn't helping himself either

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...rt-says/ar-BBN9Joe?li=AAggFp4&ocid=spartanntp

Syria's Assad approves gas attack in Idlib despite warning, report says

President Bashar al-Assad has approved a gas attack in the Idlib province, which is the country’s last rebel stronghold, a report on Sunday said.
Reports of Assad's approval comes about a week after President Trump warned the strongman and his allies not to “recklessly attack” the province. Trump called any gas attack a potential “grave humanitarian mistake.”
U.N. officials believe an offensive on Idlib would trigger a wave of displacement that could uproot an estimated 800,000 people and discourage refugees from returning home. The U.S. and France have warned an Idlib offensive would trigger a humanitarian crisis and warned that a chemical attack in Idlib would prompt a western retaliation.
The Wall Street Journal reported that the international pressure did little to sway Assad, who benefits from support from Russia and Iran. The report said Assad has approved the use of chlorine gas.
For Russia and Iran, both allies of the Syrian government, retaking Idlib is crucial to complete what they see as a military victory in Syria’s civil war after Syrian troops recaptured nearly all other major towns and cities, largely defeating the rebellion against Assad.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Friday urged his counterparts to accept a cease-fire and avert a “bloodbath” in Idlib. But Russian President Vladimir Putin called for a “total annihilation of terrorists in Syria,” while Iranian President Hassan Rouhani spoke of “cleansing the Idlib region of terrorists.”
On Sunday, government forces bombed the village of Hobeit in Idlib province, killing an infant girl and wounding several other civilians, the Syrian Civil Defense search-and-rescue group reported.
“We haven’t said that the U.S. would use the military in response to an offensive,” one senior administration official told the paper. “We have political tools at our disposal, we have economic tools at our disposal. There are a number of different ways we could respond if Assad were to take that reckless, dangerous step.”
 

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Most if not all stagings include some window dressing, MSN be a highly respected member of the lame stream media thus a utile outlet to get boltons' ball rolling..
 

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From the wall street journal cited in the msn piece :WASHINGTON—President Bashar al-Assad of Syria has approved the use of chlorine gas in an offensive against the country’s last major rebel stronghold, U.S. officials said, raising the prospects for another retaliatory U.S. military strike as thousands try to escape what could be a decisive battle in the seven-year-old war.
Trump is right about on thing..fake news. This wall street tabloid report that cites no source whatsoever gets picked up by fox and they preach it nation wide. Reports prepared by phantoms are now in vogue, political gospel.
 

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White House Threatens Iran With Retaliation Over Militant Attacks

NYT piece not written to flatter the Trump Whitehouse but not a bad article


WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has signaled a new phase in its confrontation with Iran, threatening to retaliate for attacks by Iranian-backed militants in Iraq, even as it moves to avoid a potentially messy public split with allies over President Trump’s withdrawal from the nuclear deal.
Days after rocket strikes near American diplomatic facilities in Baghdad and Basra, the White House blamed Shia militia groups on Wednesday and said, “Iran did not act to stop these attacks by its proxies in Iraq, which it has supported with funding, training and weapons.”
The statement came two weeks before Mr. Trump and Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, are both scheduled to attend the yearly meeting of the United Nations General Assembly, and it underscores Mr. Trump’s determination to raise pressure on the Iranian leadership.
Mr. Trump had planned to use a session of the Security Council, which he is presiding over, to dramatize Iran’s malign behavior throughout the Middle East. But with aides and European allies warning that Iran could exploit the meeting to spotlight Western division over the nuclear deal, the White House has broadened the agenda to nonproliferation, a less loaded theme.
Taken together, these two moves point to the challenge facing the Trump administration as it tries to shift the focus from the agreement brokered by Mr. Trump’s predecessor, Barack Obama, to Iran’s destabilizing actions in Iraq, Syria, Yemen and Lebanon.
“They haven’t done a good job of articulating what their strategy is,” said Karim Sadjadpour, an expert on Iran at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
The administration, he said, still appeared split between hard-liners who want to bring the regime to its knees and others who are open to some kind of grand bargain. At times, that group seems to include Mr. Trump himself. He has more than once expressed a willingness to meet with Mr. Rouhani, an invitation the Iranian leader has yet to accept.
The president has boasted that his decision to abandon the nuclear deal, and reimpose sanctions on Iran, had already forced the Iranian leadership to curb its behavior in the region. “Iran is not the same country that it was a few months ago,” he said in June. “They’re a much, much different group of leaders.”
Yet the White House’s latest statement suggests the threat from Iran has swelled rather than subsided. While the rocket attacks by Shia militias caused no American casualties or property damage, they demonstrated the extent to which Iran’s influence has paralyzed its neighbor since Iraq held parliamentary elections in May that failed to produce a government.
The administration has compiled a list of statistics to show Iran’s continued funding of extremist groups throughout the Middle East: $700 million to Hezbollah in Lebanon; more than $100 million a year to Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad; at least $16 billion to allies and proxies in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq.
Iran’s increased aggressiveness in Iraq, several experts said, is a direct response to the economic campaign that Mr. Trump is waging against Iran’s government. For now, Iran’s leaders have decided to remain in the nuclear deal, even with the sting of the sanctions. Experts say they are gambling that Mr. Trump will either be crippled by Republican losses in the midterm elections in November or swept out of office in 2020 — or both.
But as Robert Malley, who helped negotiate the Iran deal in the Obama administration, put it: “If the Trump administration is declaring economic war on them, they will react in some way. One of the ways is to radicalize their foreign policy, particularly in Iraq.”
Beyond warning that “America will respond swiftly and decisively in defense of American lives,” the White House offered no details about how the United States would retaliate against Iran for the attacks in Iraq. Officials at the Defense Department said there were no increased military preparations. Striking back, they warned, could provoke asymmetric attacks against American military and civilians by Iranian proxies elsewhere.
A Pentagon spokesman, Cmdr. Sean Robertson, referred all questions to the White House.
When Defense Secretary Jim Mattis served as commander of the military’s Central Command during the Obama administration, he blamed Iran for deadly attacks by Shia militias in Iraq. He advocated confronting Iran, a position that put him at odds with Mr. Obama, who was then trying to engage Iran diplomatically.
In the Trump administration, however, Mr. Mattis has taken a more moderate line. He joined former Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson in trying to persuade Mr. Trump not to leave the nuclear deal, and has used more measured language.
Moreover, the situation in Iraq is complicated; Iran, too, has been a target of violent protests. In the southern city of Basra, where rockets struck an airport complex that houses the United States Consulate, crowds ransacked and burned the Iranian Consulate. Some people have accused the United States or Saudi Arabia of being behind that attack.
The White House statement, some officials said, was mostly intended to send Iran a signal, not unlike in February 2017, when Mr. Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, responded to the launch of an Iranian ballistic missile by saying, “As of today, we are officially putting Iran on notice.”
It also sets the stage for Mr. Trump’s appearance at the United Nations, his first since he abandoned the nuclear deal. The president had planned to devote an entire session of the Security Council to Iran, officials said, a prospect that rattled some of his aides and European officials, who envisioned the diplomatic equivalent of his TV show, “The Apprentice.”
Among those was John R. Bolton, Mr. Trump’s national security adviser who once served as ambassador to the United Nations. Mr. Bolton, several officials said, made the case that focusing only on Iran would give Iran and Russia a platform to broadcast an anti-American message.
By broadening the agenda to nonproliferation, Mr. Trump can talk about the status of his nuclear negotiations with North Korea and about the use of chemical weapons by Bashar al-Assad’s government in Syria — a topic Britain wanted to raise in the Security Council.
In doing so, Mr. Trump will be following in the footsteps of his predecessor. Mr. Obama made nonproliferation the theme of the first Security Council meeting he oversaw in 2009. He won passage of a resolution that was meant to make it more difficult for countries like Iran and North Korea to turn peaceful nuclear programs into weapons projects.
A day later, the United States, Britain and France revealed intelligence that showed that Iran was building a secret uranium enrichment facility in a mountainside near the holy city of Qum.
 

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Syria accidentally shoots down Russian plane

Syria inadvertently shot down a Russian military plane after an Israeli attack on Syrian positions, killing 15 people on board, Moscow said.
The Russian military said Tuesday that the Russian maritime patrol aircraft was shot by by Syrian regime anti-aircraft artillery amid the Israeli attack on Monday, state news agency RIA-Novosti reported.
Moscow blamed Israel for putting its aircraft in the line of fire, Russian state news agency RIA-Novosti reported.
"As a result of the irresponsible actions of the Israeli military, 15 Russian servicemen were killed, which is absolutely not in keeping with the spirit of Russian-Israeli partnership," said Russian Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, spokesperson for the Russian military, according to RIA-Novosti.
A US official with knowledge of the incident said Monday that the Syrians were trying to stop a barrage of Israeli missiles when the Russian aircraft was hit. A second official confirmed that Israel was responsible for the missile strikes on Syria.
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Tuesday Moscow was "extremely concerned" about the downing of the aircraft, but declined to comment on further steps the Russian government might expect in response or on any potential impact on relations between Russia and Israel.
An official in Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman's office told CNN there had been a conversation between Liberman and his Russian counterpart, Army General Sergei Shoigu.
According to a handout of the conversation from the Russian Ministry of Defense, Shoigu described the actions of the Israeli air force as irresponsible and said to Liberman that the fault for the downed plane and the deaths of its crew "rests entirely with the Israeli side."
"The actions of the Israeli military do not meet the spirit of the Russian-Israeli partnership and we reserve the right for further reciprocal steps," Shoigu said, according to the handout.

Anti-aircraft system 'sold to Syria by Russians'

Russian state news agency TASS reported that a Russian IL-20 military aircraft disappeared over the Mediterranean on Monday. TASS, citing the Russian defense ministry, said the aircraft went off the radars during an attack by four Israeli F-16 aircraft on Syrian targets in the province of Latakia, where Russia has based much of its military presence, including aircraft.
The Russian military said Israel notified the Russian side about the planned operation only a minute in advance, and that Israeli controllers would have seen the Russian plane, which was coming in to land, RIA reported.
The US found out about the incident because Syrian forces broadcast an emergency search and rescue radio call on an international frequency. The US then got a direct message from another country about the type of aircraft and circumstances of the incident.
The US official with knowledge of the incident would not identify that country, but it is likely that Russia is the only nation that would know exactly what type of aircraft was shot down.
A spokesman for the Pentagon told CNN that the missiles were not fired by the US military but would not speak as to who was behind the strikes.
The aircraft was shot down by an anti-aircraft system the Russians sold to the Syrians several years ago, the US official said. The Syrian air defense network in western Syria is very densely populated with anti-aircraft missile and radar systems.
In February, the two-man crew of an Israeli F-16 ejected from their aircraft when a missile exploded near them, damaging their aircraft as they finished conducting a mission against Syrian forces.
An Israeli defense official told CNN earlier this month that Israel has struck Syria 200 times in the past 18 months to prevent the deployment of Iranian weapons in the region.

Demilitarized zone in neighboring Idlib

The incident occurred on the same day that Russia announced a joint agreement with Turkey to create a demilitarized zone in Syria's Idlib province, which neighbors Latakia, potentially thwarting a large-scale military operation and impending humanitarian disaster in the country's last rebel stronghold.
Speaking alongside Russian President Vladimir Putin at talks in Sochi on Monday, Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the creation of a 15-20 kilometer (approximately 9-12 miles) demilitarized zone will prevent a "humanitarian crisis" in the northwestern province.
All heavy military equipment tanks, ground-to-air missiles and mortars of all the opposition groups will be removed by October 10, the leaders said. The zone, which will be patrolled by Turkish and Russian military units, will become operational from October 15.
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Erdogan described the agreement as a "solution" to the issues in the region.
In recent weeks, Syrian and Russian planes have conducted scores of airstrikes in Idlib in the run-up to an anticipated offensive by Russian-backed Syrian forces to retake the last part of the country under armed opposition.
Last week, UN officials said that more than 30,000 people fled the province in anticipation of the government offensive.
 

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Sorry to see you aren't allowed to cover the fish that get away. I would assume the S-200 is officially retired. You do know this is one step of many. Using a base in northern Iran will come into play later.
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201809241068279653-russia-syria-s-300/
The Russian Defense Ministry promised to take "adequate" measures to boost the security of Russian servicemen after the Israeli Air Force used the Russian Il-20 as a shield while attacking targets in Syria, which led to the downing of the aircraft by Syrian air defenses last week.

During a Monday briefing, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Moscow will deliver the S-300 air defense systems to Syria within two weeks as an adequate response to Israel's role in the downing of the Russian Il-20 plane last week.
"The Syrian Armed Forces will be supplied with the advanced S-300 air defense missile system within two weeks. It is capable of intercepting air threats at a range of more than 250 kilometers and simultaneously hitting several aerial targets," Shoigu said, adding that the S-300 would significantly boost Syria's combat capabilities.


The Russian Ministry of Defense is revealing a detailed chronology of the downing of a Il-20 plane near the coast of Syria six days ago. Earlier, the Russian MoD said the plane had been used as cover by Israeli F-16 jets during their strikes in Latakia, resulting in Syrian air defenses shooting down the Russian plane.
 

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That is what the upgrade is all about.

Rumor has it that Putin had the plane made into a drone and shot it down using the S-200 so the S-300 and the Iskander could be openly installed.
First clue, 35k out to sea is past 'coastal defenses'. Be fitting if the french ship shot it down but they didn't claim responsibility fast enough and after Russia said it was an S0200 missile they could hardly dispute that by showing how it was them that did the shooting.
How long has the US stayed there after they have seen it is a quagmire of their own making.
 

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Syria didn't have any anti-aircraft missile systems after the war. Israel is the only one that did.


An 'anonymous source', man you people are some fuking gulliable.


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During the investigation, the UN was faced with nothing but interference from the Syrian government and the investigators were unable to conclude as to whether the Syrian air defence forces carried out the act deliberately or not. With tensions on the border with Israel running high, the SAM operators may have mistaken the Buffalo for an enemy aircraft - at around the same time, an Israeli F-4 Phantom had entered neighbouring Lebanon's airspace, possibly putting the Syrian forces on high alert. On the other hand, Syrian forces may well have done it deliberately to draw attention to Israeli overflights of Syrian airspace.
Luckily for the investigators, an employee at the United States Embassy had witnessed the whole event including the launching of the projectile. However, to this day, the Syrian government refuses to accept any responsibility for the attack on August 9th, 1974.
http://valourcanada.ca/military-history-library/the-buffalo-nine/


The 2005 assassination blamed on Syria is also as full of bullshit as this supposed report is.
 
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I guess their missile defence is crap as well

Iran Guard launches missiles into Syria over parade attack

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's paramilitary Revolutionary Guard said Monday that it launched ballistic missiles into eastern Syria, targeting militants the force blames for a recent attack on a military parade in Iran.
The launch was the Islamic Republic's second such missile attack on Syria in over a year.
Iranian state television and the state-run IRNA news agency said the missiles "killed and wounded" militants in Syria, without elaborating. Syrian state media did not immediately acknowledge the strike.
The TV aired footage of one of its reporters standing by as one of the missiles was launched, identifying the area as being in Iran's western province of Kermanshah. A state TV-aired graphic suggested the missiles flew over central Iraq near the city of Tikrit before landing near the city of Abu Kamal, in the far southeast of Syria.
Abu Kamal is held by forces loyal to Syria's embattled President Bashar Assad. However, the city has been targeted even now by militants from the extremist Islamic State group, who have lost almost all the territory they once held in Syria and Iraq.
One missile shown on state television bore the slogans "Death to America, Death to Israel, Death to Al Saud," referring to Saudi Arabia's ruling family. The missile also bore in Arabic the phrase "kill the friends of Satan," referring to a verse in the Qur’an on fighting infidels.
"This is the roaring of missiles belonging to the Revolutionary Guard of the Islamic Revolution," the state TV's reporter said as the missiles launched behind him. "In a few minutes, the world of arrogance — especially America, the Zionist regime and the Al Saud — will hear the sound of Iran's repeated blows."
The semi-official Fars news agency, believed to be close to the Guard, identified the six missiles used as Zolfaghar and Qiam variants, which have ranges of 750 kilometres (465 miles) and 800 kilometres (500 miles) respectively.
Iran also launched drone attacks on the site afterward, state TV reported.
Analyst Hadi Seyed Afghahi, who is close to Iran's establishment and the Guard, said he believes the missiles were launched in co-ordination with the Syrian government.
The launch adds to confusion over who carried out the assault on a military parade in the Iranian city of Ahvaz on Sept. 22 that killed at least 24 people and wounded over 60.
Iran initially blamed Arab separatists for the attack in which gunmen disguised as soldiers opened fire on the crowd and officials watching the parade from a viewing platform in the southwestern city. Arab separatists also immediately claimed the attack and offered details about one of the attackers that ultimately turned out to be true.
The Islamic State group also claimed responsibility for the assault, but initially made factually incorrect claims about it. Later, IS released footage of several men that Iran ultimately identified as attackers, though the men in the footage never pledged allegiance to the extremist group.
In announcing the attack, Iranian state media said the missiles targeted both "takfiri" militants — a term it often applies to the Islamic State group — and Ahvazi separatists. The separatists have not been known to work with IS in the past.
In Monday's statement, the Guard said that based on evidence from the Ahvaz attack, the "terrorists" in eastern Syria are supported and guided by the United States in line with "satanic" plans of the White House, the Zionist regime — Iranian parlance for Israel — and a regional power, a reference to Saudi Arabia.
The statement added that the Guard's "iron fist" remains prepared for any further steps by Iran's enemies.
This is the third time in the last couple of years that Iran has fired its ballistic missiles in anger.
Last year, Iran fired ballistic missiles into Syria over a bloody IS attack on Tehran targeting parliament and the shrine of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. In September, Iran fired missiles into Iraq targeting a base of an Iranian Kurdish separatist group. The separatists say that strike killed at least 11 people and wounded 50.
 

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Iran Guard launches missiles into Syria over parade attack
Whose would that be, ISIS?

Think how fuked Israel and NATO are over this and Russia having access to a base in northern Iran.
Let me explain what that means, Russia and Iran can bring a hard war to rebels in Syria on both sides of the river and do it from the safety of Iranian bases.
Should Israel or the US decide to try and stop that action it would openly be declaring war on the Government of Iran. A war they cannot win quickly nor in a long drawn out war.
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/...ssile-sites-urges-world-to-prevent-any-attack
Caretaker Foreign Minister Jebran Bassil led dozens of ambassadors and journalists to locations near Beirut's international airport on Monday, including a golf course and a soccer stadium, seeking to dispel Israeli allegations of secret Hizbullah rocket facilities.
In a speech before the U.N. General Assembly last week, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused the Lebanese group of setting up rocket factories near the airport and hiding them among civilians, holding up an aerial image of the area with the alleged missile sites labeled.
Calling on the international community to prevent any Israeli attack on Lebanon, Bassil said the Lebanese government would not allow rocket facilities near the airport and that Hizbullah is "wiser" than to place them there. He said Netanyahu's claims were based on "inaccurate" estimates without any "compelling evidence."
"Lebanon demands that Israel ceases its madness," he said.
 

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The TV aired footage of one of its reporters standing by as one of the missiles was launched, identifying the area as being in Iran's western province of Kermanshah. A state TV-aired graphic suggested the missiles flew over central Iraq near the city of Tikrit before landing near the city of Abu Kamal, in the far southeast of Syria.
Abu Kamal is held by forces loyal to Syria's embattled President Bashar Assad.
However, the city has been targeted even now by militants from the extremist Islamic State group, who have lost almost all the territory they once held in Syria and Iraq.

So held by Assad and missiled by Iran OK You got me there MHZ Lol
 

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(... as if a piece of sh1t Yank prikk would have ever known in the first place ...)


Lest you forget I have schooled you over and over about Canadian History. Let's face it, you aren't a good example of the Canadian Education System.


Enjoy our milk!
 

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Lest you forget I have schooled you over and over about Canadian History. Let's face it, you aren't a good example of the Canadian Education System.
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We'll see how good it is at fertilizing the garden.

BTW, did you know about that CAF plane shot down by Syria, "Marine" ?
 

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BTW, did you know about that CAF plane shot down by Syria, "Marine" ?
What a fuking dummy, I posted the data that shows an Israeli warplane was in the area while Damascus had given the plane permission to land. You can feel sorry for people that believe a lie, they are just the scum of the earth when they insist on believing a lie willingly. After MH-71 you really would have to be an idiot not to suspect the official story. Nice to see you value Israeli lies over Canadian lives. You can bet your bottom fuking dollar I made note of that.
 

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I've heard American sperm seeks out men's bottoms, comments??


The US lost an aircraft in Afghanistan. Why are the Russians and Syrians and Iranians not cheering the hell out of that? Turnabout is fair-play is it not?
 
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The US lost an aircraft in Afghanistan. Why are the Russians and Syrians and Iranians not cheering the hell out of that? Turnabout is fair-play is it not?


2015 called... it wants it's news story back.


You got trolled brah!