Stuff I didn't know

[L Gilbert]

I am pretty sure the motivation behind the firearms registry was not for public safety (that reason is blatantly ridiculous) or to cause a reduction in crime (also blatantly ridiculous); it was to enable aithoritarian figures, via police, to confiscate firearms for whatever reason.

 

[JLM]

And that is pretty foolish. If it applied to any other thing that could possibly cause death, we would have virtually NO historical artifacts at all. Someone could possibly be bludgeoned to death with Gainsborough's "Blue Boy", or Babe Ruth's favorite baseball bat, or Henry Ford's last car ( a 1942 Ford 4-door sedan), etc.

That's for sure, do they really think someone is going to stick up the National Bank with Davy Crockett's old blunderbuss? :lol:

 

[ironsides]

If you answer "Yes" to the questions on the application:

1) Have you, for any reason, lost a job in the last two years?

2) Have you, for any reason, ended a spousal relationship in the last two years?

Would that yes answer guarantee a "no soup for you" stamp on your application
by the government?

I've had a CSIS application & approval (for previous employment) to decide
if I was trustworthy enough to view confidential financial documents, and the
questions where no where near as intrusive into my personal life as I understand
the firearms possession license to be in Canada. That seems pretty backwards.

Seems Canada finds you guilty of a crime you might commit. Do all the Provinces have those questions on their applications, or is this a National License? Think I saw a Tom Cruise movie about this.

 

[ironsides]

Not at the moment, but do you wait until your house is on fire before you buy insurance?

if so, Good luck with that, as the time it becomes impossible to buy insurance is when your house is on fire and you need it the worst.



Now that's funny! I can hear it now.....a Jew in Nazi Germany.......a labour leader in Pinochet's Chile........a dissident in modern China........as he is being dragged out the door by gov't thugs... "I'll sue! You'll be dealing with my lawyers!"

Good luck with that one as well.



Oh they are all reasonable.......if you are serious about protecting the family you should remember the stats.....gov'ts are the worst thugs and murderers by far......so the focus of our defence should be on that which is most dangerous.



To my mind, reasonably easy access to the vast majority of firearms types is a basic constitutional right. One recognized in the Bill of Rights of 1689....still a foundation of our constitution. I am willing to compromise on licensing......as I don't want nuts with guns any more than anyone else.....but the current firearms laws are way, way too restrictive and are a violation of our rights....in a number of ways.....

What about the people who just like to collect firearms in Canada, not hunt or do anything else, which is a pretty open but valid reason to own firearms, can they obtain a license/permit to do so?

 

[talloola]

Yes, I would have agreed with you whole heartedly up until the tasering incident at YVR.

good point ;-)

 

[Ron in Regina]

Seems Canada finds you guilty of a crime you might commit. Do all the Provinces have those questions on their applications, or is this a National License? Think I saw a Tom Cruise movie about this.

This is a Federal program, so Yeah, all the Provinces have those questions on their applications.

What about the people who just like to collect firearms in Canada, not hunt or do anything else, which is a pretty open but valid reason to own firearms, can they obtain a license/permit to do so?

I know a guy in a city that I use to live in, who's father left him a collection of
Derringers (over 40), which he expanded upon through trades & purchases
to over sixty. When this Legislation came into play, due to these 60+ small
firearms (a very expensive collection) having a barrel length of less than
legally mandated (a stroke of the pen, and anything with a barrel shorter
that six inches I believe, could no longer be sold, purchased, or passed
along in a family through an inheritance) could have became Grandfathered
in but would also become absolutely worthless, and subject to confiscation
& destruction upon this guys eventual passing. Sad, eh? You can guess
whether or not any of those derringers where ever registered or not.

Many things (owned by many people) where either never registered or even
packed in oil and buried in the ground. This would be done by what would
have been completely law abiding folks before this Legislation was passed.
Now, technically, these people are all criminals. That would be most of the
people I know.

For your last question above, I will step back and let someone much more
knowledgeable in this area (I'm thinking Colpy) answer that for you.

 

[AnnaG]

Another matter is that not all confiscated weapons are destroyed or kept in a gov't secured location. There are a few that have made their way into various homes of cops and others.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Another matter is that not all confiscated weapons are destroyed or kept in a gov't secured location. There are a few that have made their way into various homes of cops and others.

Yes...there is that....and the fact that this program was suppose to cost in
at about $2,000,000.00 or so & is currently well over $2,000,000,000.00
which is a cost overrun of over 1000 TIMES as much as it was suppose to.
It's not truly in place yet either, as the opening post points out.

In a country of only 33,000,000 (or so) people, this should have cost about
$0.06 for every man, woman, and child in the nation. At this point it has (so
far) cost over $60.60 and is climbing for every single person in the nation.
That's ummm....that's not good...and that's assuming that everyone pays
their portion. If not, then those that're paying, just pay more for those that
aren't. Nice, eh?

The numbers I'm using are most likely out of date at this point too 'cuz it's
Sunday and I'm to lazy to look them up again at this point.

 

[Machjo]

Oh wow, with that kind of money you could provide some education to the unemployed so as to reduce their need to turn to crime in the first place. Wow.

 

[AnnaG]

Last I heard the registry was costing about $70+ million a year and it reached the $2 billion mark by June 2007

RPP 2005-2006 Canada Firearms Centre - Part 4 of 5

 

[AnnaG]

A bit of news:

CNW Group | THE FRASER INSTITUTE | Federal gun registry has not improved public safety despite costing taxpayers more than $2 billion

It's done as much for public safety as registering motor vehicles has done for reducing accidents on roads.

 

[JLM]

Yes...there is that....and the fact that this program was suppose to cost in
at about $2,000,000.00 or so & is currently well over $2,000,000,000.00
which is a cost overrun of over 1000 TIMES as much as it was suppose to.
It's not truly in place yet either, as the opening post points out.

In a country of only 33,000,000 (or so) people, this should have cost about
$0.06 for every man, woman, and child in the nation. At this point it has (so
far) cost over $60.60 and is climbing for every single person in the nation.
That's ummm....that's not good...and that's assuming that everyone pays
their portion. If not, then those that're paying, just pay more for those that
aren't. Nice, eh?

The numbers I'm using are most likely out of date at this point too 'cuz it's
Sunday and I'm to lazy to look them up again at this point.

Just think of how many criminals you could register for that money and then you wouldn't have to worry about the guns. I think every serious criminal should have a homing device installed at some unaccessable part of their anatomy- maybe in their liver, and then at any time we could confiscate them and their guns and it would be a lot less than $2B.

 

[TenPenny]

What gets me is, there is no reason that it needs to cost so much.

Every province runs a motor vehicle dept, with registrations of cars, and drivers needing licenses.

Surely any 3rd year programming student could take the exact same source code, replace 'motor vehicle' with 'firearm', and run the system.

Should have cost about $35,000.00.

 

[Colpy]

What gets me is, there is no reason that it needs to cost so much.

Every province runs a motor vehicle dept, with registrations of cars, and drivers needing licenses.

Surely any 3rd year programming student could take the exact same source code, replace 'motor vehicle' with 'firearm', and run the system.

Should have cost about $35,000.00.

1. Because all vehicles are marked with an individual, one of a kind Vehicle Identification Number.

2. Because NOT registering a vehicle is not a serious crime.....not a crime at all if you don't drive it on public roads.......I forgot to register mine one year (I know, I know!) I just paid double the next year......

3. Because the people at the Motor Vehicle Branch are there to help you, not to try and screw you over.

4. Because Motor Vehicle legislation is straightforward, not completely convoluted.

5. Because each registration must be renewed each year for the vehicle to be used.

6. Because the owners co-operate.........because they don't really feel they are being screwed.....because they don't think the gov't is about to steal their cars.

Just for starters....

 

[petros]

Because NOT registering a vehicle is not a serious crime.....not a crime at all if you don't drive it on public roads.......I forgot to register mine one year (I know, I know!) I just paid double the next year......

In some provinces it is a summary conviction to drive an unregistered vehicle. That is most definitely a crime. Vehicle is impound and the driver arrested and held until released on bond by a JP or preliminary hearing.

 

[petros]

The easiest solution is to control ammunition. If you need more than three rounds to bag a deer, stay home. If you sport shoot a hand gun save your brass. No brass no refill of ammo.

Guns are useless without ammo.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

In some provinces it is a summary conviction to drive an unregistered vehicle. That is most definitely a crime.

And the pedant in me rises again... Actually, that's not correct. In Canada, only violations of federal law can be called crimes, and the feds have no role in vehicle registration. Lots of things you can do with a vehicle, like hit and run, are crimes, but driving an unregistered vehicle isn't one of them. That's a violation of provincial statutes, and is thus an offence, not a crime.

 

[Colpy]

The easiest solution is to control ammunition. If you need more than three rounds to bag a deer, stay home. If you sport shoot a hand gun save your brass. No brass no refill of ammo.

Guns are useless without ammo.

Ever shoot a semi-auto centrefire pistol? Good luck finding all that brass......as well, to take the IPSC "Black Badge" course requires 600 rounds........so you'd need 600 loaded......How many do you think we should be restricted to?

Ever been duck hunting?

Ross Seyfried, once World Champ with a .45 Auto, used to fire at least 150 rounds a day......

I've fired hundreds of rounds in a single day of shooting...

Another stupid idea.

Instead of trying to control inanimate objects.....why not just license people?????

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Another stupid idea.

Yes my friend, the issue of gun control seems to be in a class by itself when it comes to generating stupid ideas. I can immediately understand people being frightened of guns, they're all potentially deadly implements, but so are a lot of other things in common use. I'm pretty sure Canada's current gun control laws came out of pandering to a frightened group of urban folks in the Liberal heartland who have no clue about how useful and necessary guns can be. Ask any prairie farm boy...

 

[JLM]

And the pedant in me rises again... Actually, that's not correct. In Canada, only violations of federal law can be called crimes, and the feds have no role in vehicle registration. Lots of things you can do with a vehicle, like hit and run, are crimes, but driving an unregistered vehicle isn't one of them. That's a violation of provincial statutes, and is thus an offence, not a crime.

There you go, you learn something new everyday. Where does misdemeanor fit in? Maybe that is more Yank.