Students to walk out in support of teachers

Bar Sinister

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I am sick of hearing adults garnering the opinions of ignorant children, ignorant as in no long term world experience.
The media is ridiculous for their penchant to interview children regarding societal issues.

I and virtually all of the people i grew up with were told to keep our little noses out of adult issues until we had lived some. Oddly it seemed to work as the majority of those i knew, grew up, worked, got married, bought a home and raised kids. All that without being allowed to attempt to change the system before we knew how it worked and before our brains had real world information as opposed to a teacher's or professor's utopian assessment.


Their views might not be as ignorant as you think. The Daily Show sent out Samantha Bee to interview 13-year-olds regarding Rick Santorum's educational ideas. In case you missed it he referred to Obama as a "snob" for giving speech in which Obama exhorted young Americans to get some higher education. This is the exact quote. "President Obama wants everybody in America to go to college, what a snob. There are good, decent men and women who work hard every day and put their skills to the test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor. And trying to indoctrinate them.”

In fact Obama's speech did not focus on a liberal college education. He listed a number of institutions higher education, including communty colleges, technical schools, and universities. When the 13-year-olds were given the contents of Santorum's speech without identifying the speaker one of them commented that "...only a fool would say something like that." She pretty much got it dead on.
 

Cliffy

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Schools are prisons. The minimum sentence is 12 years, although a few are paroled for bad behaviour.
It takes at least 12 years to produce the right pliable and controllable sheeple necessary to run the machines for the ruling class. They are educated just enough to make sure they can run the machines efficiently but not enough for them to think they can move beyond their station in life. Fortunately for the parolees, they escape some of the indoctrination and do not know they are not supposed to challenge the status quo. Many, if not most, new millionaires were drop outs.
 

damngrumpy

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I don't know I find most young people I talk to, to be very informed about the world around them.
The kids are not supporting business because they see what is happening. The gas companies
are gouging, its not profit based on cost, its profits based on speculation. Most of these kids buy
gas for their cars and they know what is going on.
The same goes for other issues. These young people are becoming more aware and more and
more active, some the fat old couch potato's are not doing. I am glad they walked out in support.
I don't think we should be giving the teachers everything they want but remember when that
scuzzbucket, Gordon Campbell, tore up contracts and showed disregard for the law of the land?
Their disgraceful actions are coming back to haunt them.
The present government got themselves into the trouble they are in because they were arrogant,
and very untrustworthy. They gave the richest people 2 billion in tax breaks. they secretly made
a deal with the Feds to bring in the HST and people rejected it. The actual ran up a huge deficit
they were trying to hide and now it is fully exposed. All their departments are over budget and
now there is no money for education. Nope I don't think the teachers will get anymore in the long
run, but the public is catching on to just how dishonest they are.
The young people fed up with this government that gives nothing but fee increases and lies to
people saying they are keeping taxes down. Fees instead of taxes are in fact taxes by another
name. As a citizen of BC I for one am fed up, I won't vote for the Greens, or the Social Conservatives,
BC Conservative Party and I won't vote for the Present Liberals. That leaves the NDP.
This government is making a stand here on education to divide people and they will instead unite
people against them.
 

PoliticalNick

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Let's face it. The kids don't really care about the teacher's salaries. All they see is a way to take time off class with the faculty's blessing. There may be a couple of seniors who want to become teachers who have a thought or 2 for their future but to the rest it is free time out of school.
 

mentalfloss

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Well obviously! That's exactly what I was saying, let's grab first year law students and put them to work arguing cases, or stick a med-student into an operating room.

:lol:

I like this format for replying to red herring rebuttals.

Impressive.
 

Goober

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They'll wind up doing it within a few years if they're lucky.

Ont has a surplus of teachers - top wage - 90 K - what is the rate in BC - The Govt had a no cost mandate. Other unions signed on. But teachers are special.8O
 
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karrie

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Let's face it. The kids don't really care about the teacher's salaries. All they see is a way to take time off class with the faculty's blessing. There may be a couple of seniors who want to become teachers who have a thought or 2 for their future but to the rest it is free time out of school.

They'd be out of school anyway.... teachers on strike means no class. To try to show that they support the teachers too actually has the potential to shorten the strike. So it kind of blows your jaded theory out of the water.
 

Goober

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Tachers are special. We were too poor to have tachers; we tached ourselfs.

Yes they are. My old CPU does not have that correction format - so doing what I was taught. I then fixed the problem.

Wonder how the Teachers would react if they brought in what they did in New Jersey - Standards for Teachers to meet.
 

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The salary cap of the Vancouver Canucks is $64 931 508.00. According to the BC Public School Employers' Association, the average maximum teacher salary (2011) was $76 585.00. The Vancouver Canucks' salary cap could fund approximately 848 BC teachers at maximum for one year. At a pupil-teacher ratio of 20 to 1, that's the teacher cost for 16 960 students.

Wonder how the Teachers would react if they brought in what they did in New Jersey - Standards for Teachers to meet.

Every province has minimum teacher qualification standards, and every teacher is subject to annual performance reviews.
 

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The salary cap of the Vancouver Canucks is $64 931 508.00. According to the BC Public School Employers' Association, the average maximum teacher salary (2011) was $76 585.00. The Vancouver Canucks' salary cap could fund approximately 848 BC teachers at maximum for one year. At a pupil-teacher ratio of 20 to 1, that's the teacher cost for 16 960 students.



Every province has minimum teacher qualification standards, and every teacher is subject to annual performance reviews.

Prety hard to fire a teacher anywhere in Canada.
 

JLM

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I am sick of hearing adults garnering the opinions of ignorant children, ignorant as in no long term world experience.
The media is ridiculous for their penchant to interview children regarding societal issues.

I and virtually all of the people i grew up with were told to keep our little noses out of adult issues until we had lived some. Oddly it seemed to work as the majority of those i knew, grew up, worked, got married, bought a home and raised kids. All that without being allowed to attempt to change the system before we knew how it worked and before our brains had real world information as opposed to a teacher's or professor's utopian assessment.

Yep, it's just perpetuating another generation of whiners!
 

pgs

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The salary cap of the Vancouver Canucks is $64 931 508.00. According to the BC Public School Employers' Association, the average maximum teacher salary (2011) was $76 585.00. The Vancouver Canucks' salary cap could fund approximately 848 BC teachers at maximum for one year. At a pupil-teacher ratio of 20 to 1, that's the teacher cost for 16 960 students. also.
Every province has minimum teacher qualification standards, and every teacher is subject to annual performance reviews.


So,they make pear apples in the Okanagan also.
 

JLM

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We know all professional sports are obscenely over paid, but I don't think we want to extend the corruption to other professions! :lol:
 

Goober

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The salary cap of the Vancouver Canucks is $64 931 508.00. According to the BC Public School Employers' Association, the average maximum teacher salary (2011) was $76 585.00. The Vancouver Canucks' salary cap could fund approximately 848 BC teachers at maximum for one year. At a pupil-teacher ratio of 20 to 1, that's the teacher cost for 16 960 students.



Every province has minimum teacher qualification standards, and every teacher is subject to annual performance reviews.

Guess those teachers should have learned to play at the NHL level.
 

taxslave

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Jeeps, wonder what they'd think of next! Impaired apples, who'd've thunk it!?

Those are the apples the students leave on the teacher's desk every day.

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I am sick of hearing adults garnering the opinions of ignorant children, ignorant as in no long term world experience.
The media is ridiculous for their penchant to interview children regarding societal issues.

I and virtually all of the people i grew up with were told to keep our little noses out of adult issues until we had lived some. Oddly it seemed to work as the majority of those i knew, grew up, worked, got married, bought a home and raised kids. All that without being allowed to attempt to change the system before we knew how it worked and before our brains had real world information as opposed to a teacher's or professor's utopian assessment.

Don't blame the kids. They have been conditioned by their teachers to be perfect little clones.