Something Fishy in Canada. Very Fishy.

L Gilbert

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lol

city dwellers

You know what you city dwellers are the dirtiest people i have ever met.. They are the worse polluters out there.. All there garbage... Its there fault they have to make there public dumps outside of there cities and in the forest... Have you guys been to toronto, they treat there city like a ****hole i wonder how these very same people would treat the wilderness... Probally not any better then there own cities..

see, give it up

this is life
Yup. Some people live in cities. Some don't.
Just wondering what you do with your used computer parts, used motor oil, pens with no ink left, etc.
Give what up?

Anyway, people, my point is that the seal hunt has more to do with human wants than it does for the benefit of nature.
 

Unforgiven

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Why the hell would I want to live in downtown Toronto?

Because there are no bears. I suppose then though you would complain about the homeless and the traffic. How ****ty life is that we all can't just have everything the way we want it to be regardless of how it affects others.

If I was going to say a dog is a dog, I would have said a dog is a dog. If it is a brown dog, it is a brown dog. I said a colour (or shade, just in case nit-pickers choose to use it) and I said a general species. Who gives a damn for specifics if ba'ar wants your berry patch?

Well I was trying to put it in a nice way. Not to your liking? Some black bears are on the threatened list. Slaughtering the last of a distinct subset of a species is stupid and criminal. So while you choose not to understand or simply can not, it remains that all black bears are not the same.

Native populations were wise enough to know the spring bear hunt taught the cubs to stay away from man. Without that fear, they just grow up to be big, dumb, hungry bears. They were the people who were here - and lived in harmony with the bush - long before Europeans imposed their profit-margin world on everything. The spring bear hunt was still respected up until 1999 - before the tree-huggers lobbied the Harris government into cancelling it because of the risk of "poor orphan bear cubs". If people who know nothing about the environment would stop humanizing the bush, they could call themselves environmentalists.

Native populations conquered, marginalized, farmed out and still get short shrift because they couldn't get up to speed with changes.
Maybe that's not nice to hear but that's what it is. The Greek gods are dead too. If you want to live in bear counry don't complain about the bears. You don't hear me complaining about garbage, homeless people and constant road contruction do you? You also don't hear me complain about bears.

The biggest problem with the cancellation of the spring bear hunt are all the bears that people kill now. Those bears are killed out of fear. Not the lack of it by the bear but the unfounded fear people have of them.

But this isn't about the spring bear hunt in Ontario, it's about the seal hunt on the east coast. Do you support hunting for fashion?
 

L Gilbert

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I lived near there too. They love the fruit as much as we do. They have one ood quality. They are as reliable as roosters for crowing at sunrise.
That's for sure. We had one that sat on our balcony railing outside the bedroom window and squawked at 5 every morning. Also they raided our filbert bush with regularity that would put an obsessive/compulsive to shame. lol
 

mt_pockets1000

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If you're lifestyle is to club baby seals for the fashion industry and leave the skinned carcus on the ice then yeah I will attack your lifestyle. It's wrong and we shouldn't do it.

No matter which way you slice it the seal hunt is welfare. We can do better and that is all any one is asking.

Wow, miss a few hours...miss a lot.

Yes the hunt is carried out in the name of vanity but that should not be the main focus. These animals are a direct threat to the remaining fish stocks on the east coast and in the arctic. Where is the leadership from our government to look at this industry and refine it so that the hunt is done for the right reasons? It needs attention at the federal and provincial level. Simply calling it cruel and saying it should be shut down is not constructive and is a kneejerk reaction. Take a cue from Karrie and process the whole animal. The meat can be used for pet food. It's also rich in protein and can be processed into capsules for human intake. Why aren't these paths explored further? Any way you slice it the hunt has to carry on, just to cull the necessary numbers in order to maintain balance in the region. Otherwise, we are going to see seals creeping up the St. Lawrence River straight to the heart of the country. Then by geezus you'll hear an outcry.

If the seal hunt is welfare then so is cattle ranching or mink farming or the textile industry. Your logic is weak and falls right in line with typical Canadian attitude towards the east coast. Sure, why don't we shut the hunt down. Then Ottawa can send the displaced people more of your tax dollars in transfer payments. Would that satisfy your righteous mind? Either way you can still use the 'welfare' mindset. How convenient, eh?
 

petros

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Quoting Unforgiven
If you're lifestyle is to club baby seals for the fashion industry and leave the skinned carcus on the ice then yeah I will attack your lifestyle. It's wrong and we shouldn't do it.

No matter which way you slice it the seal hunt is welfare. We can do better and that is all any one is asking.
So I take it you won't be ordering one of the Saskatchewan Richardson Ground Squirrel cod pieces then?
 

L Gilbert

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Wow, miss a few hours...miss a lot.

Yes the hunt is carried out in the name of vanity but that should not be the main focus. These animals are a direct threat to the remaining fish stocks on the east coast and in the arctic.
So are we. lol
Where is the leadership from our government to look at this industry and refine it so that the hunt is done for the right reasons? It needs attention at the federal and provincial level.
The same place they are concerning the messy fishfarms in BC. Hiding from it whilst trying to figure out how they can benefit.
Simply calling it cruel and saying it should be shut down is not constructive and is a kneejerk reaction. Take a cue from Karrie and process the whole animal. The meat can be used for pet food. It's also rich in protein and can be processed into capsules for human intake. Why aren't these paths explored further? Any way you slice it the hunt has to carry on, just to cull the necessary numbers in order to maintain balance in the region. Otherwise, we are going to see seals creeping up the St. Lawrence River straight to the heart of the country. Then by geezus you'll hear an outcry.............
As I mentioned before, our methods of management so far have sucked badly.

We made a mess of the fish stocks, we should figure out how to right our mistakes. But blaming dwindling fish stocks on some other creature while killing that other creature for its pelt won't do it.
 

lone wolf

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It's not romantic to sit with your gal and enjoy the warm glow of the slag pits anymore?

Sometimes it's warmer in Creighton than in Flin Flon from the slag pits.

Where are the "slag pits" in Creighton? The older parts of slag mountain around Copper Cliff and Gatchell are green now - and last summer they limed and seeded Coniston's.
 

mt_pockets1000

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As I mentioned before, our methods of management so far have sucked badly.

We made a mess of the fish stocks, we should figure out how to right our mistakes. But blaming dwindling fish stocks on some other creature while killing that other creature for its pelt won't do it.

I agree with you. We have made a mess of the fish stocks. We have to live with that now. However, the cod fishery has been a non-entity since 1992. You would think the stocks would've replenished after 17 years of relative quiet. But they won't come back because the seal population keeps growing and, being a natural predator, seals will keep the cod stocks down by eating the few remaining fish in the area. They don't stand a chance of coming back unless the seal population is kept to a sensible level. This was not a problem when the cod stocks were strong, when both fishermen and seals alike could take from the pool and not jeopardize the balance. But the reality is foreign overfishing, poor government management and general disinterest from the likes of IFAW worked to decimate the cod (they're just not cute enough). Now it's our responsibility to correct this unbalance. If that means culling 2-3 million seals from the herd then let's get at it and let the bleeding hearts suck it up.

I fear the alternative...a total ban on the hunt.
 

Twila

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DFO says the cod stocks are at an all time low.

But seals numbers are at an all time high. Can't be because of the great cod feed.

Something is not adding up.