So you think it's not about the oil?

Did the Coalition of the Willing invade Iraq to steal oil?

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Just the Facts

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I think not said:
Is that right Rev? Take a stroll into the Jokes section on this board, and see what members have to say when a german asks if you even have ATM's in Canada.

ATM's??? How 20th century!! We use debit cards directly. Having to actually go to a cash dispenser and touch filthy money <shudder> yuck. You never know WHERE it's been! :)
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: So you think it's not

TORONTO-Canada has sent a third team of scientists to Angola to help contain the worst outbreak of Marburg fever on record and is readying a fourth team to go later in the month if needed.
 

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WarHawk said:
I couldn't care less honestly. I love how anti-Americans always like to claim that the USA does everything for oil, yet they themselves are benefiting from the oil that is supposedly being stolen. Face the facts guys, you need just as much oil as the rest of us.

Well now, Mr Warhawk, if you honestly "couldn't care less", what the f*ck are you doing here? Nice sig, btw. I bet you wish you had one of those. Now that really would make a good penis substitute, wouldn't it?
 

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Jo Canadian said:
I think not wrote:

The anti-American sentiment of the time. Indeed, the entire Confederation of 1867 was based on precisely that.

Confederation wasn't created through anti-americanism per-se, It was more like a rush to establish borders because the British at the time was fearing the manifest destiny minset of the Americans at the time. Many Americans were moving west and coming up into Ruperts land, and the british were also in a rush to make sure they had the territory legally as soon as possible. So yes there was anti americanism with those wanting to halt the expansion northward, but the Americans were pretty dogheadded with their push into British Canadian territory, the anti Canadian/British sentiment was just as rife. I'm glad we got over that little bump in the past eh?

Yes Jo Canadian, so am I. John A MacDonald referred to the war of 1812 as an example of the mindset of Americans and how they wanted more land. The question is, did they? Probably, it was 1812 after all and the memories of 1776 were not far. However the point I have been trying to make in this thread and others; anti-American sentiment in Canada runs deep. How you say? , Canadians define themselves by negation. This in fact is the CORE of anti-Americanism in Canada. Indeed, anti-Americanism has literally defined the national identity and culture of Canadians.Canadians proudly polite and politically correct will tell you there is no anti-Americanism in Canada, in fact they will be utterly shocked when confronted with it. On September 11. Briefly, Canadian hostility towards Americans yielded to sincere, if shallow, solidarity. But the enmity soon re-established itself . With the invasion of Iraq, it intensified. Yet the endlessly reiterated claim that George W. Bush “squandered” Canadians’ post-9/11 sympathy is nonsense. The sympathy was a blip; the anti-Americanism is chronic.

If that didn't happen, Canada today would most likley consist of ontario and farther east...and maybe that tiny square that was Manitoba at the time too.
 

mrmom2

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Ignore the facts posted :? ITS ABOUT THE OIL JUST THE OIL The US gives a flying f..k about the people just whats in the ground 8O
 

NickFun

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There is a company called Changing World Technology (www.changingworldtech.com) that manufactures a cleaner-burning crude oil from garbage! Instead of funding this company for alternative energy sources, the US Congress has imposed stiff taxes on them and won't even grant them a tax break! This company has the potential to reduce landfills, reduce our dependence on foreign oil and eliminate pollutants from the atmoshere yet they get very little press or support. To me this suggests the oil companies are in bed with governments.
 

Reverend Blair

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It's just one more example of that, Nick. They wouldn't help the guy who was making bio-deisel from chicken droppings either...he had to get his funding elsewhere.
 

zenfisher

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Actually it was you that sited the passport act first. I can go back and prove that if you like...but as all you really have to do is go back and look.

Also from what I posted...

It is difficult to trace the history of Canadian passports in the first few years after Confederation because so few were issued. The financial statements of the Secretary of State in 1878 record an annual passport revenue of $50. Since passports then cost $1 each, we know 50 must have been issued. Over the next few years, annual receipts varied between $35 and $50.

In these early years, passports were issued as single-sheet certificates and stamped with the official seal. In 1915, Canada switched to the British form of passport, a ten-section single sheet folder printed in English only.

A series of international passport conferences (1920, 1926 and 1947) resulted in a number of changes to the Canadian passport. The 1920 conference recommended that all countries adopt a booklet-type passport, which Canada began issuing in 1921. Another recommendation of 1920, that all passports were to be written in at least two languages, one of which was to be French, led to the first bilingual Canadian passport in 1926. The 1920 conference also recommended that passports should be valid for at least two years and preferably for five. It is interesting to note that since 1919, Canadian peacetime passports were already valid for five years, with the possibility of a five-year extension.


The year 1930 saw more change in Canadian passport regulations, reflecting Canada's growth and international status. Canadian travellers needing passport services abroad were now directed to the nearest Canadian legation instead of to a British consular office.

That is from the link I provided. What you fail to recognize is that British and Naturalized citizens would have been issued a passport. It doesnt say they weren't issued...it says that was the first year they were only issued to Canadian citizens. Once more Birth Certificates are a better indication of country of origin...but you seem to want to gloss over that fact as well.

How many British passports are in French & English? Don't you think the people of any member of the Commonwealth were refered to by the name of Origin before any of them had their own constitution? ie the people of Trinidad were called Trinidadian long before 1962 (Approximation, I may be wrong on the year they became "independent") The same is true for all members of the world community.What of the former countries of Russia pre1980 ? Weren't they still called the Ukraine, Estonia, Georgia,et al ?

You claim I made this an issue. If your going to post misleading data ...you will get called on it.
 

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It wasn't the PASSPORT act zenfisher, it was the CITIZENSHIP act of 1947. And yes prior to 1947, passports were issued as BRITISH subjects, the citzenship act of 1947 recognized Canadians as having their very own citizenship, your then secretary of state (or however else his title was at the time) Paul Martin contributed this because Canada was emerging in the international community out of respect for their contributions to WWI and WWII and deserved to be recognized as citizens of their own country.

Which part escapes you exactly? Most Canadians claim this as part of their heritage, so what is the dispute here?
 

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A series of international passport conferences (1920, 1926 and 1947) resulted in a number of changes to the Canadian passport.

Note it does not say British passport. Note That British Passports are issued in English...Not English and French. That would mean they would have to be... different.

Again you have picked one point and missed the entire meaning of what was said. You failed to answer why Trinidadians were Trinidadian long before their independence Or why Austaillians were Austraillians long before there citizenship act or Why New Zealanders were ...wait for it...New Zealanders long before Britain finished up the paperwork.

Its not me that's missing the point here...
 

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zenfisher said:
A series of international passport conferences (1920, 1926 and 1947) resulted in a number of changes to the Canadian passport.

Note it does not say British passport. Note That British Passports are issued in English...Not English and French. That would mean they would have to be... different.

Again you have picked one point and missed the entire meaning of what was said. You failed to answer why Trinidadians were Trinidadian long before their independence Or why Austaillians were Austraillians long before there citizenship act or Why New Zealanders were ...wait for it...New Zealanders long before Britain finished up the paperwork.

Its not me that's missing the point here...

This is from Canadas digital archives, click on the citizenship act of 1947.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/legacy/chap-5.html#chap5-2
 

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But this thread is not about us, is it think. Its about your government. Its about how your government "borrowed" another country's national resources, using the guise of democracy. Your hypocrites. And if you really believed that what your government was doing was wrong, well than you would be out there taking a bullet like the students at kent state did. No instead you drink wine in new york, and tell us, we are just like you. I like mustard on my biscuits to.
 

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peapod said:
But this thread is not about us, is it think. Its about your government. Its about how your government "borrowed" another country's national resources, using the guise of democracy. Your hypocrites. And if you really believed that what your government was doing was wrong, well than you would be out there taking a bullet like the students at kent state did. No instead you drink wine in new york, and tell us, we are just like you. I like mustard on my biscuits to.

Straying off topic never seemed to be an issue before, peapod. Or did I hit a nerve? This is your heritage. And by the way, to correct, YOU say; you are NOT like us, thats being a Canadian isn't it? You know, NOT this but that, need your memory REFRESHED?

And it seems the bullet at Kent certainly didn't teach you anything.
 

zenfisher

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Look.. I have seen my grandparents and parents Birth Certificates... My Granparents all born in England oddly enough have a different country of birth listed on their birth certificatess than my parents...who were born before 1947. As they were recognized as being born in Canada... long before the paperwork of the citizenship act was tied up.

Even the link you provided alludes to recognition of sovereignty before 1947.

Thank you Peapod I know... They are trying to justify the actions of the current administration by presenting half the information of their argument. Just like we went to war with the American public only knowing 10% of the the information required to make this decision. It is a classic tactic of diverting the argument. As well as the tactic of only answering some of the questions put to them.
 

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Plus some of them are very riled up over a beer commercial.

I'm sorry Rev, you must be thinking of Canadians gathering at the bars waiting in anticipation for the beer commercial to come up. Or are you even going to deny that Canadians define themselves by negation.
 

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zenfisher said:
Look.. I have seen my grandparents and parents Birth Certificates... My Granparents all born in England oddly enough have a different country of birth listed on their birth certificatess than my parents...who were born before 1947. As they were recognized as being born in Canada... long before the paperwork of the citizenship act was tied up.

Even the link you provided alludes to recognition of sovereignty before 1947.

Well then tell the Canadian government to change history, zenfisher. I didn't get this out of thin air as you can see.

Thank you Peapod I know... They are trying to justify the actions of the current administration by presenting half the information of their argument. Just like we went to war with the American public only knowing 10% of the the information required to make this decision. It is a classic tactic of diverting the argument. As well as the tactic of only answering some of the questions put to them.

Sorry zenfisher you must be thinking of Reverand Blair.
 

zenfisher

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Hence the link you provided me with ...disproves your point. In my experience have never seen the Rev dodge a question.
 
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