RE: So you think it's not
And that somebody appears to be you. We will continue to criticise your country as we see fit.
And that somebody appears to be you. We will continue to criticise your country as we see fit.
So you think it's not about the oil?
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Re: RE: So you think it's not
I know you will, when you were British subjects you did, when you became Canadians in 1947 you did and alot of you still do, how can alot of Canadians define themselves without criticising Americans? You can't from your perspective. Indeed it defines who you are by negation and self serving superior morality.
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I know you will, when you were British subjects you did, when you became Canadians in 1947 you did and alot of you still do, how can alot of Canadians define themselves without criticising Americans? You can't from your perspective. Indeed it defines who you are by negation and self serving superior morality.
I think not May 07, 2005 12:13 pm :: Re: RE: So you think it's not
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Reverend Blair wrote:
And that somebody appears to be you. We will continue to criticise your country as we see fit.
I know you will, when you were British subjects you did, when you became Canadians in 1947 you did and alot of you still do, how can alot of Canadians define themselves without criticising Americans? You can't from your perspective. Indeed it defines who you are by negation and self serving superior morality.
When you became Canadians in 1947????????????????????
Canada has tried to peacefully maintain its existence in the world since confederation. Negativity usually results from being trashed by citizen from another country. Maybe your concern is that the "self serving superior morallity" is, though tried to impressed upon the world by US policies, a matter of gulit from the American perspective.
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Reverend Blair wrote:
And that somebody appears to be you. We will continue to criticise your country as we see fit.
I know you will, when you were British subjects you did, when you became Canadians in 1947 you did and alot of you still do, how can alot of Canadians define themselves without criticising Americans? You can't from your perspective. Indeed it defines who you are by negation and self serving superior morality.
When you became Canadians in 1947????????????????????
Canada has tried to peacefully maintain its existence in the world since confederation. Negativity usually results from being trashed by citizen from another country. Maybe your concern is that the "self serving superior morallity" is, though tried to impressed upon the world by US policies, a matter of gulit from the American perspective.
You are just another anti-Canadian with a huge chip on your shoulder who is defining yourself by complaining about the policies of a country that isn't hated around the world, I think not.
Reverend Blair said:
You would like to think I am anti-Canadian because it would fit your agenda and profile. Problem is you can never look inwards, only outwards.
RE: So you think it's not
You aren't even bright enough to understand the relationship between Canada and Britain...or the other Commonwealth countries for that matter, I think not.
Nice retreat into obfuscating pedantry though.
The reality is that Canadians were considered to be such by the European powers (and even thinking Americans) from before your War of Independence. That feeling became even more strong in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century when we began accepting a lot of immigrants from Eastern European countries and the United States in order to settle the three prairie provinces.
You aren't even bright enough to understand the relationship between Canada and Britain...or the other Commonwealth countries for that matter, I think not.
Nice retreat into obfuscating pedantry though.
The reality is that Canadians were considered to be such by the European powers (and even thinking Americans) from before your War of Independence. That feeling became even more strong in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century when we began accepting a lot of immigrants from Eastern European countries and the United States in order to settle the three prairie provinces.
British subjects yes, but Canada operated indepedent of the British empire since Confederation. Even before Confedration people born in Canada were British subjects ...after that they were considered to be part of the Commonwealth.
You may think not,but one only has to ask other countries how the US & Canada are perceived in the world to find how the world views my differ from US opinion.
You may think not,but one only has to ask other countries how the US & Canada are perceived in the world to find how the world views my differ from US opinion.
Re: RE: So you think it's not about the oil?
I really dont see why you are turning this into an issue, most Canadians will tell you it is part of their heritage, so what is the difference in view here? We going to rewrite history?
zenfisher said:
I really dont see why you are turning this into an issue, most Canadians will tell you it is part of their heritage, so what is the difference in view here? We going to rewrite history?
RE: So you think it's not
Actually, as we've begun to differentiate ourselves from the US again, our status in the international community has risen. We lost much of our clout in the Mulroney years when all we did was kowtow to Reagan and Bush I.
Actually, as we've begun to differentiate ourselves from the US again, our status in the international community has risen. We lost much of our clout in the Mulroney years when all we did was kowtow to Reagan and Bush I.
Re: RE: So you think it's not about the oil?
What does clout have to do with how the world perceives the two countries? We were, as I remember, discussing self serving morality.
Where did the tax dollars collected in Canada go ? That is the true measure of independence , not how long it took to run the paperwork through. You must remember the prime difference between the US and Canada. The US was a revolution, while Canada was a peaceful negotiation for a change in power structure.That is a huge difference in how the two countries formed.
I think not said:
What does clout have to do with how the world perceives the two countries? We were, as I remember, discussing self serving morality.
Where did the tax dollars collected in Canada go ? That is the true measure of independence , not how long it took to run the paperwork through. You must remember the prime difference between the US and Canada. The US was a revolution, while Canada was a peaceful negotiation for a change in power structure.That is a huge difference in how the two countries formed.
RE: So you think it's not
There is no point arguing with him, Zen. He spent 15 minutes in Canada once, watched bow-tie boy a couple of times, and now he thinks he knows all there is to know about Canada.
Since he never responded in any meaningful way, I'll try again:
There is no point arguing with him, Zen. He spent 15 minutes in Canada once, watched bow-tie boy a couple of times, and now he thinks he knows all there is to know about Canada.
Since he never responded in any meaningful way, I'll try again:
RE: So you think it's not
It's funny then that when Kofi Annan began trying reform the UN, he came to Canada first.
It's hilarious that my TV has been full of nothing but Europeans paying us kudos for the last two days.
It's comical that Stephen Lewis is better known in Africa than your president.
You can deny it all you want, think not, but the world does recognize Canada as a middle power that is not afrais to go out into the world. You are blinded by the your own ignorance.
It's funny then that when Kofi Annan began trying reform the UN, he came to Canada first.
It's hilarious that my TV has been full of nothing but Europeans paying us kudos for the last two days.
It's comical that Stephen Lewis is better known in Africa than your president.
You can deny it all you want, think not, but the world does recognize Canada as a middle power that is not afrais to go out into the world. You are blinded by the your own ignorance.
"I'll repeat again, the average person around the world knows and hears next to nothing about Canada, other than it is north of the US. You bring this upon yourselves in defining yourselves by negation. Even countries within the commonwealth know very little, unless they have an interest in immigrating to Canada and that being the case, the CIC gives the information."
I couldn't say whether or not this is true, I Think Not, as I don't have the ability know what everbody in the world thinks. What I do know is this; how much a nation is 'known' and 'heard about' is not necessarily a cause for pride, especially when a lot - though by no means all - of what people hear or know about the US is negative. Before you say it, I am not anti-American; I have a lot of respect for many of the values on which your country is based. What I, and many other average people around the world dislike, is the way the current administration - and, indeed, many previous administrations - do not uphold those values. Just the opposite, in fact. It is a shame that a large proportion of your populace acquiesce in this.
People may not know Canada so well. That suggests to me that Canadians don't act in such a way as to bring attention to themselves. Big deal. People who do know both Canadians and US citizens seem to prefer the former. Try a little introspection yourself, I Think Not. Ask yourself why that might be. Oh, yes ... I forgot. It's jealousy, isn't it. :roll:
I couldn't say whether or not this is true, I Think Not, as I don't have the ability know what everbody in the world thinks. What I do know is this; how much a nation is 'known' and 'heard about' is not necessarily a cause for pride, especially when a lot - though by no means all - of what people hear or know about the US is negative. Before you say it, I am not anti-American; I have a lot of respect for many of the values on which your country is based. What I, and many other average people around the world dislike, is the way the current administration - and, indeed, many previous administrations - do not uphold those values. Just the opposite, in fact. It is a shame that a large proportion of your populace acquiesce in this.
People may not know Canada so well. That suggests to me that Canadians don't act in such a way as to bring attention to themselves. Big deal. People who do know both Canadians and US citizens seem to prefer the former. Try a little introspection yourself, I Think Not. Ask yourself why that might be. Oh, yes ... I forgot. It's jealousy, isn't it. :roll:
RE: So you think it's not
Just a few links for some of the things that Canada is known for:
http://www.mines.gc.ca/
http://www.canadians.ca/more/profiles/d/d_romeo_dallaire.htm
http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/index-e.htm
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/canada_un/menu-en.asp
Notice that they all have to do with helping and/or protecting others...building things instead of blowing them up.
Just a few links for some of the things that Canada is known for:
http://www.mines.gc.ca/
http://www.canadians.ca/more/profiles/d/d_romeo_dallaire.htm
http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/index-e.htm
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/canada_un/menu-en.asp
Notice that they all have to do with helping and/or protecting others...building things instead of blowing them up.
Re: RE: So you think it's not
Elaborate, I’d be interested in reading a detailed description of the experiences you’ve had in Canada.
What’s the difference between nationalism and patriotism, specifically? What were MacDonald’s remarks in response too?
Would you care to discuss what the average person around the world knows or thinks about the US. Defining yourselves through television programs and media propaganda only brings it on yourselves. In a country where the highest form of intellect stems from John Stewart and the Oprah Show, I’m not worried about world opinion at this point in time, dude.
ithinknot said:
Elaborate, I’d be interested in reading a detailed description of the experiences you’ve had in Canada.
ithinknot said:
What’s the difference between nationalism and patriotism, specifically? What were MacDonald’s remarks in response too?
ithinknot said:
Would you care to discuss what the average person around the world knows or thinks about the US. Defining yourselves through television programs and media propaganda only brings it on yourselves. In a country where the highest form of intellect stems from John Stewart and the Oprah Show, I’m not worried about world opinion at this point in time, dude.
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