So you think it's not about the oil?

Did the Coalition of the Willing invade Iraq to steal oil?

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Said1

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Reverend Blair said:
Notice that they all have to do with helping and/or protecting others...building things instead of blowing them up.

LOL. You're comment reminds me of John Candy on SCTV "It blew up real good". :lol:
 

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Hard-Luck Henry said:
"I'll repeat again, the average person around the world knows and hears next to nothing about Canada, other than it is north of the US. You bring this upon yourselves in defining yourselves by negation. Even countries within the commonwealth know very little, unless they have an interest in immigrating to Canada and that being the case, the CIC gives the information."

I couldn't say whether or not this is true, I Think Not, as I don't have the ability know what everbody in the world thinks. What I do know is this; how much a nation is 'known' and 'heard about' is not necessarily a cause for pride, especially when a lot - though by no means all - of what people hear or know about the US is negative. Before you say it, I am not anti-American; I have a lot of respect for many of the values on which your country is based. What I, and many other average people around the world dislike, is the way the current administration - and, indeed, many previous administrations - do not uphold those values. Just the opposite, in fact. It is a shame that a large proportion of your populace acquiesce in this.

Having a negative opinion of American policies is not by any means anti-American. Distorting truths and manipulating facts, is.

People may not know Canada so well. That suggests to me that Canadians don't act in such a way as to bring attention to themselves. Agreed Big deal. People who do know both Canadians and US citizens seem to prefer the former. Try a little introspection yourself, I Think Not. Ask yourself why that might be. Oh, yes ... I forgot. It's jealousy, isn't it.[/color] :roll:

Since this went way over your head, I'll explain it to you better. This isn't about what people think of Canadians, this is about how Canadians see themselves as being perceived. You may not know, but I have travelled throughout Europe for many years, and I certainly do. Part of the effort in creating the organization I am invloved in is how people perceive Americans and Canadians, it was necessary in order to create the framework of expanding into the EU by 2007. You as well as the Rev have somehow perceived this as Canadian bashing. Not only are you far from the truth, but not even close to comprehension. And to answer the rolling of your eyes, to a certain degree it most certainly is envy (for some), if you are objective enough you could see it.
 

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ithinknot said:
Your need for self-promotion, self-advertisement and influence is intriguing. Try to sway from assumptions, it only furthers your ignorance.

Elaborate, I’d be interested in reading a detailed description of the experiences you’ve had in Canada.

That comment was intended towards the Rev, Said1, not to Canadians. Read the answer I posted in response to the Rev.

ithinknot said:
Nobody had that perception Rev, of course you are a nationalist and you have to believe in it. I'll say it again "I was born a British subject - and I will die a British subject" John A. MacDonald

What’s the difference between nationalism and patriotism, specifically?

Both are ostensively loyal to ones country, but in truth the object of their affection differs. The former loves an institution and its trappings, while the latter loves an ideal and its principles.

What were MacDonald’s remarks in response too?

The anti-American sentiment of the time. Indeed, the entire Confederation of 1867 was based on precisely that.

ithinknot said:
I'll repeat again, the average person around the world knows and hears next to nothing about Canada, other than it is north of the US. You bring this upon yourselves in defining yourselves by negation. Even countries within the commonwealth know very little, unless they have an interest in immigrating to Canada and that being the case, the CIC gives the information.

Would you care to discuss what the average person around the world knows or thinks about the US.

I already know what the average person in the world knows about the US.

Defining yourselves through television programs and media propaganda only brings it on yourselves. In a country where the highest form of intellect stems from John Stewart and the Oprah Show, I’m not worried about world opinion at this point in time, dude.

If this is the extent of your knowledge, I suggest you rethink your arguments.
 

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no1important said:
I'll repeat again, the average person around the world knows and hears next to nothing about Canada

:roll: Maybe go to Holland and see what they think. They are average people.

I'm not aware of Holland specifically, sorry can't comment
 

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Reverend Blair said:
Just a few links for some of the things that Canada is known for:

http://www.mines.gc.ca/
http://www.canadians.ca/more/profiles/d/d_romeo_dallaire.htm
http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/index-e.htm
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/canada_un/menu-en.asp

Notice that they all have to do with helping and/or protecting
others...building things instead of blowing them up.

Fascinating, now find me a link from another country that the population is even remotely aware of them. And to comment, I am well aware of them and certainly applaud those efforts.
 

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RE: So you think it's not

Maybe the poll question posed for this thread should have read

Did the Coalition of the Willing invade Iraq to secure oil. Rather then steal.
 

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Reverend Blair said:
It's funny then that when Kofi Annan began trying reform the UN, he came to Canada first.

It's hilarious that my TV has been full of nothing but Europeans paying us kudos for the last two days.

It's comical that Stephen Lewis is better known in Africa than your president.

You can deny it all you want, think not, but the world does recognize Canada as a middle power that is not afrais to go out into the world. You are blinded by the your own ignorance.

Is that right Rev? Take a stroll into the Jokes section on this board, and see what members have to say when a german asks if you even have ATM's in Canada. Yes, thats only one person. There are many many more.
 

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I think not wrote:

The anti-American sentiment of the time. Indeed, the entire Confederation of 1867 was based on precisely that.

Confederation wasn't created through anti-americanism per-se, It was more like a rush to establish borders because the British at the time was fearing the manifest destiny minset of the Americans at the time. Many Americans were moving west and coming up into Ruperts land, and the british were also in a rush to make sure they had the territory legally as soon as possible. So yes there was anti americanism with those wanting to halt the expansion northward, but the Americans were pretty dogheadded with their push into British Canadian territory, the anti Canadian/British sentiment was just as rife. I'm glad we got over that little bump in the past eh?

If that didn't happen, Canada today would most likley consist of ontario and farther east...and maybe that tiny square that was Manitoba at the time too.
 

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I'm done with you and your anti-Canadian crap, I think not. You hate Canada. We get it. You're just another jingoistic American who is so afraid to acknowledge the failure of your own democracy that you've taken to cruising the internet looking for other countries to attack.

You must live a very sad and bitter life.
 

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I like Canada. I grew up as a boy fishing on the Rideau lake chain. Seely's Bay. Newborough Lake. The 200 some year old locks. I remember hearing Watertown NY radio station broadcasting two tunes relentlessly one summer:
Stranger in the Night and Yummy Yummy I got love in my Tummy.
 

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Reverend Blair said:
I'm done with you and your anti-Canadian crap, I think not. You hate Canada. We get it. You're just another jingoistic American who is so afraid to acknowledge the failure of your own democracy that you've taken to cruising the internet looking for other countries to attack.

"Such is the Pavlovian device, repeat mechanically your assumptions and suggestions, diminish the opportunity of communicating dissent and opposition. This is the simple formula for political conditioning of the masses." - Joost Meerloo

You must live a very sad and bitter life.
 

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jimmoyer said:
I like Canada. I grew up as a boy fishing on the Rideau lake chain. Seely's Bay. Newborough Lake. The 200 some year old locks. I remember hearing Watertown NY radio station broadcasting two tunes relentlessly one summer:
Stranger in the Night and Yummy Yummy I got love in my Tummy.

He won't get it jim, if you make a negative comment you're anti-Canadian, well dam does that ring a bell to you?
 

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Jingo: a supporter of a policy favouring war; a blustering patriot. jingoism, jingoistic: originally a conjuror's word: political sense from use of by jingo in a popular song, then applied to patriots.
--the Canadian Oxford Dictionary
 

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RE: So you think it's not

I couldn't care less honestly. I love how anti-Americans always like to claim that the USA does everything for oil, yet they themselves are benefiting from the oil that is supposedly being stolen. Face the facts guys, you need just as much oil as the rest of us.
 

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Don't taunt the moderator, Warhawk. You wouldn't want all your posts to explanations of how you love yourr pink tutu, would you?
 

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http://www.ppt.gc.ca/passport_office/history_e.asp

Hmmm....it seems Canadian passports were issued before 1947...to ...you guessed it... Canadian citizens. As the use of passports is a relatively new form of documentation, I don't really see how it pertains to your argument Ithinknot. Birth Certificates are a better measure of citizenship.

"Until 1947, two kinds of passports were issued in Canada, one for British-born citizens and one for naturalized citizens. That same year, the Canadian Citizenship Act, which stipulates that only Canadian citizens are eligible for a Canadian passport, came into effect. The familiar blue passport booklet with pale pink pages similar to the booklets with blue pages issued to British subjects appeared at that time. As of July 1948, passports were issued by the Canadian government only to Canadian citizens."

From your own link zenfisher.

And I didn't bring up the issue of passports anywhere, you did.
 
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