So is this a wakeup call for canadians who had their their heads ...................

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Oh Yah! The government is only looking out for your best interests. As long as you believe every word of the Ministry of Truth, everything will just be peachy. Go to bed at night knowing that you are loved by Big Brother. Sleep well. Big Brother will take all your nightmares away.

Cliffy- I do not believe everything but go to the court testimony. Unless of course all involved are also part os a conspiracy

Supreme Court of Canada upholds anti-terror law; Khawaja’s appeal rejected | Toronto Star

Toronto 18: Key events in the case - Canada - CBC News

TORONTO 18 - thestar.com

After lengthy investigations by Canada’s spy agency (CSIS) and the RCMP, involving hundreds of police officers and more than 82,200 intercepted calls, a group of 14 adults and four youths were arrested in the summer of 2006.

'Toronto 18' ringleader sentenced to life in prison - The Globe and Mail
 

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It wasn't classified, it was in the paper, lol.

Your paranoia is funny.

Since when was it paranoid to believe in secret agreements? Next you'll be telling me conspiracy does not exist.


i can't talk anymore a long black car just went down the road slowly in front of my shack
 

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Since when was it paranoid to believe in secret agreements? Next you'll be telling me conspiracy does not exist.


The existence of conspiracy does not make everything that exists a conspiracy. Therein lies the problem in jumping to the conspiracy conclusion over everything that ever happens.
 

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Since when was it paranoid to believe in secret agreements? Next you'll be telling me conspiracy does not exist.

They do but you are not supposed to know about them. Had to let the cat out of the bag eh. Oh well back to the drawing board.
 

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Cliffy- I do not believe everything but go to the court testimony. Unless of course all involved are also part os a conspiracy
Radicals, terrorists: who are they? I seem to remember Canada bombing the crap out of Libya and who knows how much damage done to Afghanistan. You can't tell the bad guys from the good guys any more. I just can't fault people who are being attacked from attacking back. I think they are all bat shyte crazy.
 

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When you see all the plans that turn into blunder you realize something significant.
Most things are not conspiracies the participants are not smart enough to get away
their sinister plan cause the truth comes out.
Oh they found a Canadian among the terrorists, not surprising at all we are letting in
all kinds of undesirables from countries where insanity is the standard not abnormal.
That does not mean we are hiring them they just exist.
 

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When you see all the plans that turn into blunder you realize something significant.
Most things are not conspiracies the participants are not smart enough to get away
their sinister plan cause the truth comes out.
Oh they found a Canadian among the terrorists, not surprising at all we are letting in
all kinds of undesirables from countries where insanity is the standard not abnormal.
That does not mean we are hiring them they just exist.
Grumps, what makes you think we have a right to go over to the middle east and bomb and shoot them but they don't have a right to retaliate? Why is our way of life any better or more sacred than theirs?
If there are acts of terrorism over here, it may just be a simple matter of karma.
 

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Radicals, terrorists: who are they? I seem to remember Canada bombing the crap out of Libya and who knows how much damage done to Afghanistan. You can't tell the bad guys from the good guys any more. I just can't fault people who are being attacked from attacking back. I think they are all bat shyte crazy.

You never could. We just dress it up in history to look that way.
 

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OK, sounds like the basis for a debate.
Not really.

Who were the "good guys" in World War I? The Seven Years War? Vietnam?
Those are specific conflicts. I can do the same thing from a different angle, Who were the "bad guys" at Wounded Knee?". If I wanted to.

You said "You never could".

Now you want to narrow it down?

Or would you rather just amend your original error?
 

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Not really.

Those are specific conflicts. I can do the same thing from a different angle, Who were the "bad guys" at Wounded Knee?". If I wanted to.

You said "You never could".

Now you want to narrow it down?
Certainly. "You never could" means there was really no "good old days," no time when the rights and wrongs of a situation were clear and absolute. Ergo, "you never could" tell who the good guys and the bad guys were. The different sides have different points of view. Each thinks they are right. Usually, each is, though in different ways. We tend to assign "good guy" and "bad guy" status in history, but that is an illusion, an oversimplification of the complexities of the time. History is, after all, merely an attempt to supply a narrative to complex and conflicting events.

Wars are just one aspect. A more whimsical one is the current furore over "big box" stores and their effect on small businesses. Most of the people screaming and moaning about "big box" stores accept the existence of supermarkets because they grew up with supermarkets, despite the fact that the exact same criticisms were made of supermarkets when they were new.

Or would you rather just amend your original error?
For that I would have had to have made an original error, grasshopper.
 

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Certainly. "You never could" means there was really no "good old days," no time when the rights and wrongs of a situation were clear and absolute. Ergo, "you never could" tell who the good guys and the bad guys were. The different sides have different points of view. Each thinks they are right. Usually, each is, though in different ways. We tend to assign "good guy" and "bad guy" status in history, but that is an illusion, an oversimplification of the complexities of the time. History is, after all, merely an attempt to supply a narrative to complex and conflicting events.

Wars are just one aspect. A more whimsical one is the current furore over "big box" stores and their effect on small businesses. Most of the people screaming and moaning about "big box" stores accept the existence of supermarkets because they grew up with supermarkets, despite the fact that the exact same criticisms were made of supermarkets when they were new.

For that I would have had to have made an original error, grasshopper.
LMAO!!! What a lovely load of philosophical BS and dance steps.
 

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LMAO!!! What a lovely load of philosophical BS and dance steps.

Good luck getting your A back on. Try superglue.

I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate that there was ever a time when there were indisputable "good guys" and "bad guys." Thus far I've mentioned WWI, the Seven Years War, and Vietnam. Would you like to address any of those, or should I give more examples. The Crusades? The Boer War? The Russian Revolution?
 

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Good luck getting your A back on. Try superglue.

I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate that there was ever a time when there were indisputable "good guys" and "bad guys." Thus far I've mentioned WWI, the Seven Years War, and Vietnam. Would you like to address any of those, or should I give more examples. The Crusades? The Boer War? The Russian Revolution?
I gave you a simple example of the error in your thinking.

It was even easy. Heavily armed US Troops, slaughtering women and children.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to identify the good guys and the bad guys.

But you go right ahead an try and baffle us with BS, it's cute.
 

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I gave you a simple example of the error in your thinking.

It was even easy. Heavily armed US Troops, slaughtering women and children.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to identify the good guys and the bad guys.

But you go right ahead an try and baffle us with BS, it's cute.

Heavily armed U.S. troops slaughtering women and children? Sounds like World War II. Don't forget the incendiary bombings of Dresden and Tokyo, and the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So, identify the good guys and the bad guys in that one, Dr. Goddard.
 

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Heavily armed U.S. troops slaughtering women and children? Sounds like World War II. Don't forget the incendiary bombings of Dresden and Tokyo, and the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So, identify the good guys and the bad guys in that one, Dr. Goddard.
If you're going to rely on the use of fallacy to avoid admitting error, you'll never learn and grow.