So is this a wakeup call for canadians who had their their heads ...................
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How about WW2 - Who was the good or bad guy or is it your view the lesser of 2 evils. If so which one would be the lesser of the 2?
First off, I don't think the lesser of two evils is the right way to assess who is the good guy and who is the bad guy.
But if you insist that Hitler was the one-dimensional, unqualified "bad guy," that would make Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin one-dimensional, unqualified "good guys." I'm not sure I'm willing to hang that tag on Roosevelt and Churchill. Pretty sure I'm not real excited about calling Stalin a good guy.
Mind projection, and moving goalposts.
You said, "You never could".
Clearly I have proven there has been conflicts where there clearly was a 'bad guy'.
LOL.
OK, I've never heard of that one.
An example would be nice.
Yes, but your original statement was that you could no longer tell who the good guys were.
So, I'll put the question direct, in the (probably vain) hope of a straight answer. Was Stalin a good guy?
We know in War, WW2 is an example bombing of cities was the norm. Now it is not. You were chatting about how history dresses them up, asking who was the good guy /bad guy in WW1- Vietnam, Boer War and such.
Each was different- each had differing causes.
Reason why I used WW2 and used the phrase lesser of 2 evils.
So what tag, label phrase, term or such would you hang on Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Churchill?
Every government who was involved with both WWs was responsible for that war and thus were all bad guys. But in the end, it is only the war machines that benefit from any war and are usually responsible for creating them. Follow the money to discover the real bad guys.
See your posts where you go from the fallacy of faulty generalizations, to specific conflicts.
No it wasn't, lol.
My original statement was... "I disagree". Because "You never could" is patently false.
LOL,nice red herring fallacy.
I question whether Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki count as "bombing cities" in the same sense that London, Berlin, and Frankfurt do.
Yep. Kinda makes the whole good guy/bad guy paradigm useless, don't it?
I understand why you used it. I simply don't accept that the lesser of two evils is necessarily the good guy. And while there is not, never was, and never can be any excuse whatever for the Shoah, Germany had some pretty legitimate grievances. Further, it ain't like the Allies were all that philoSemitic either.
Churchill and Roosevelt? Pretty solid, effective leaders, Roosevelt moreso than Churchill.
Stalin? Monster. Killed more people than any other human being in history.
Thank you.
But as idiotic as it seems now, Custer was consided the hero good guy not that long ago.
The realization of the following...
Disproves the faulty generalization of the former.
I agree, but since history isn't as dressed up as Tecumseh would have us believe, we know that.
Ah, we are slowly entering the age of enlightenment. Don't think I will see it in full bloom in my life time, however.
If you want to shorten my handle, I'd prefer "Bones." Please take that as a polite request.
Just not comfortable being called by the great man's name.
Yes Germany did have grievances and these were a result of the reparations under the Treaty of Versailles. Prior to that territory was the normal punishment for the loser. Look to the Prussian - Franco War of 1870-71 where the winner, Germany (Prussia) took territory.
But that changed after WW1 - why- the carnage and costs of fighting the War, and you may find this interesting, using tactics from the US Civil War.
Yep. And it was aggravated by the steady refusal of Britain and France to lighten up on the reparations, which made the Depression so much worse in Germany that Britain and France can be fairly hit for having a hand in bringing Hitler to power.
Technology more than tactics. It seems the Europeans either didn't pay attention to, or didn't comprehend, the implications of three major technological advances that were first seen in the U.S. Civil war, and blossomed into a horrendous, gory fruit in WWI: mechanized transportation, repeating arms, and telecommunications.
The good guys in WWI were the Swiss.
The Americans call the Seven Years War the "Indian Wars," so it can't be Bear and company.
And, in the Vietnam War, it was the children.
OK I'm gonna take you seriously for just a minute....and enlighten you.
The cause of World War Two was NOT the Treaty of Versailles and the (completely unreasonable) reparation clauses there in......
The cause of World War Two was the abject failure of the allies to ENFORCE the Treaty of Versailles as Germany re-armed and proceeded to grab territory through intimidation.
It was appeasement that set it off........
Appeasement of genocidal fascists is suicidal.....be they Nazis or Islamists.