Smile! You’ve Got Socialized Healthcare!

BaalsTears

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Aren't "winners" invariably created at the expense of "losers". Obama certainly isn't alone in this creation! -:)

Not necessarily from a psychological and political standpoint. Social Security in America is unlike Obamacare. People believe they pay into a system and ultimately receive benefits from what they have paid in. Actually, most people who reach retirement age will ultimately receive greater benefits than the sums they have paid in...if they live long enough. This system creates the political perception of across the board fairness to all. This is unlike programs which are clearly designed to redistribute income or wealth such as welfare.

Obamacare is different than Social Security because everyone can see they fall into one of two groups...winners or losers...and in this sense the zero sum game is so readily apparent that it's palpable. Obamacare is a system designed to redistribute income from some groups to other groups. Everyone can see this. Consequently, Obamacare is clearly not in everyone's interest, and won't have universal buy in from groups who perceive themselves to be losers.

Only if you're convinced that life is a zero-sum game.

Obamacare didn't receive a single Republican vote in either the House or Senate. Thus, it isn't bipartisan. I wonder if true Tort Reform had been included as part of Obamacare whether the legislation could have attracted a few Republican votes. That would have permitted President Obama to claim Obamacare had bipartisan support. Such a claim would have lessened the political damage the left is now incurring. But Tort Reform would have harmed the financial interests of Trial Lawyers who are a major part of the leftist coalition.

I wonder what plans people are getting... Gold , silver , or bronze? Because everyone will be equal now.

President Obama isn't participating in Obamacare. He's more equal than others.
 

EagleSmack

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Then they shall be fined. Just a little at first... but the fines increase every year until we all fall in step.

Fines

2014.... $95 (per adult) or 1% of family income... whichever is greater.

2015.... $325 (per adult) or 2% of family income... whichever is greater

2016.... $695 (per adult) or 2.5% of family income... whichever is greater
 

petros

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For the US to have Socialist health care straight across the board it has to be a State run insurance. This is far far far Right of Socialist.
 

gopher

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Poor little rodent.......It must hurt you immensely that Fox is still #1:lol:


Well my Sleeping Kitty friend, you forget that while the deluded Fox is # 1, there are 9 other supposedly "liberal" news sources whose combined numbers far exceed the viewership of your right wing allies.

Baals,

Obamacare didn't receive a single Republican vote in either the House or Senate. Thus, it isn't bipartisan.


Yeah but Obama got voted into office by Republican cross over voters and today many right wingers are signing up for Obamacare. Thus, they have given it the endorsement he and the majority of Americans wanted. ;)
 

gopher

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Hell, that's nothing new. In the years I worked for the IRS, I found dozens of people who had the same name and Social Security number. And this goes way back to the early 1970s. In fact at one time I saw the same SSN & name on record for three different people. Just imagine how many thousands of people have had their personal information crossed up with that of others.
 

EagleSmack

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Well my Sleeping Kitty friend, you forget that while the deluded Fox is # 1, there are 9 other supposedly "liberal" news sources whose combined numbers far exceed the viewership of your right wing allies.




Yeah but Obama got voted into office by Republican cross over voters and today many right wingers are signing up for Obamacare. Thus, they have given it the endorsement he and the majority of Americans wanted. ;)


Wow... what a world you live in. You are completely out of touch with reality.


 

petros

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That's what you in the lollipop league would like to believe. But Wally only acknowledges those clowns at
Fo as being "conservative" and all others as liberal. That's his delusional thoughts, not mine. ;)
Not lollipops, nope.

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