Smile! You’ve Got Socialized Healthcare!

[Danbones]

they been GRUEBERED
lol

Many of next year's premium rate increases on the Affordable Care Act exchanges threaten to surpass the high and wildly fluctuating rates that characterized the individual insurance market before the health law took effect, interviews with insurance regulators and records show.

With dramatic drops in insurance company participation on the exchanges for some states, decreased competition and other factors are leading to often jarring rate hikes. Some of the states that are facing what are likely among the biggest increases this year — Tennessee, Arizona and North Carolina — were among those the Urban Institute reported in May had the biggest increases last year.

“The reality is, it’s all very justified, unfortunately,” Iowa insurance commissioner Nick Gerhart said Thursday of the premium increases he approved this week of 19% to 43% for about 70,000 Iowans who buy their own policies.

But while that's some solace for people including breast cancer survivor Christine Frietchen of New York City, she just got a letter from Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield saying she faces a 22% rate increase for 2017. That will bring her premium to more than $630 a month for a silver-level plan that only covers in-network care and requires referrals for everything.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...consumers-could-threaten-enrollment/89664628/

630 per month?
that's insane

I rent out a one bedroom apt for a couple bucks more then that
heat/ hydro included

 

[EagleSmack]

Obamacare woes to linger long after Obama is gone - CNNPolitics.com

Can't say we didn't warn you!

 

[gopher]

Many of next year's premium rate increases on the Affordable Care Act exchanges threaten to surpass the high and wildly fluctuating rates that characterized the individual insurance market before the health law took effect

but then, there's always this:

... and thankfully, we no longer have the 45,000 dead Americans every year due to lack of coverage blood tax that we used to pay before ACA came into being

 

[EagleSmack]

Deductibles Skyrocketing! Premiums Skyrocketing!

Obamacare deductibles are on the rise for 2017, along with monthly premiums

Millions still without Health Policies and that number is growing as the penalties are now cheaper than the policies.

Millions of Americans are dying under Obamacare.

 

[davesmom]

The idea of being fined if you don't buy health insurance seems a bit odd to me.
Wouldn't it be fair to just make people who don't buy health insurance pay for their own medical care?


There are so many things wrong with social health care plans that it could never be a program to fit all the needs of all the people.
We have had socialized medical care in Canada for decades and problems are still cropping up. Our coverage is getting trimmed all the time, so many tests and medications that are essential but not covered, soaring charges for services that used to be free (like signing forms and letters by doctors) which are needed for many reasons. Shortages of doctors, lab technicians who have gone elsewhere because they can't make a decent income under the government plan.


Unaffordable health care is just one more indication of the social engineering by governments to grab more money, causing rising costs in all areas without income increases to match for most folks.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

but then, there's always this:

... and thankfully, we no longer have the 45,000 dead Americans every year due to lack of coverage blood tax that we used to pay before ACA came into being

How many do we have now, seeing as how the ACA don't cover 5-8% of the population?

The idea of being fined if you don't buy health insurance seems a bit odd to me.
Wouldn't it be fair to just make people who don't buy health insurance pay for their own medical care?


There are so many things wrong with social health care plans that it could never be a program to fit all the needs of all the people.
We have had socialized medical care in Canada for decades and problems are still cropping up. Our coverage is getting trimmed all the time, so many tests and medications that are essential but not covered, soaring charges for services that used to be free (like signing forms and letters by doctors) which are needed for many reasons. Shortages of doctors, lab technicians who have gone elsewhere because they can't make a decent income under the government plan.


Unaffordable health care is just one more indication of the social engineering by governments to grab more money, causing rising costs in all areas without income increases to match for most folks.

Don't have to be that way. Under Japan's system, everybody has health insurance, provided by the employer or through a community organization. All insurance companies are required by law to be non-profit. Every two years, representatives from the medical community, the insurance community, and the government sit down and hammer out a national list of standard prices for procedures. A consumer protection agency and the insurance companies audit procedures and tests, and have no incentive to tolerate or support duplicative testing.

As a result, Japan has universal health care at a cost about 55% per capita of American health care, comparable outcomes, and 95% of the hospitals in Japan are private and 90% of the doctors are privately employed.

I'm not a big fan of single-payer. Generally I prefer mandatory-insurance systems, with incentives to keep costs down. Certainly in the U.S., I'd prefer any universal health care scheme to be done on the state level, not the national level.

Obamacare ain't, and never was, much but a license for insurance companies to print money. For that matter, Obamacare includes specific incentives for the medical industry and the insurance industry to drive up medical costs as high as possible.

 

[TenPenny]

Interesting, the bit about how insurance companies are by law non-profit.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Interesting, the bit about how insurance companies are by law non-profit.

Another technique for keeping insurance companies in check is to provide a "public option," i.e., a government insurance program that operates on a non-profit basis. Presumably if for-profit insurance companies raised their rates beyond what they could justify with more attractive offerings, customers would switch to the public option. Australia does that.

 

[davesmom]

I don't know anything about Japan's health care so I'll take your word for it. If what you say is true, here's one big difference. Japan, apparently, is monitoring the system on a regular basis.
Here there is no monitoring. Government forgets all about it until a complaint goes public and they realize they don't have enough money to throw at it. So they cut care some more, lay off a few more health care workers, borrow some more money and forget about it again until the next round of complaints goes public.


I'm not even sure what 'single payer' means anymore. Here we don't know how much we're paying per capita. Everybody just thinks it's 'free' and they abuse it.


Either the Feds OR the State should have autonomy in the matter of health care. Here we have both Feds and Provinces involved and all it does is provide a way of passing the buck for every failure.

 

[gopher]

Millions of Americans are dying under Obamacare.

That's a bigger lie than your hero Bush's claim that there were active WMD in Iraq under Saddam.

... and thankfully, we no longer have the 45,000 dead Americans every year due to lack of coverage blood tax that we used to pay before ACA came into being



How many do we have now, seeing as how the ACA don't cover 5-8% of the population?

That is a fair question - when Harvard comes out with a report I'll post a link for you.

 

[EagleSmack]

That's a bigger lie than your hero Bush's claim that there were active WMD in Iraq under Saddam.

Millions Gopher! MILLIONS!

And what a hassle Obamacare is.

The endless hassle of ObamaCare

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

That's a bigger lie than your hero Bush's claim that there were active WMD in Iraq under Saddam.





That is a fair question - when Harvard comes out with a report I'll post a link for you.

So, your assertion that we don't have 45,000 a year dying for want of health insurance was basically an unsupported assertion, sometimes known as bullsh*t?

 

[gopher]

So, your assertion that we don't have 45,000 a year dying for want of health insurance was basically an unsupported assertion, sometimes known as bullsh*t?

The subject matter of your query has not been researched unlike the Harvard study. You are the great lawyer - many in your profession are known for their great ability to engage in research. If anything, you should be the one to provide the answer to your earlier question.

 

[tay]

 

[darkbeaver]

Health care, hahahaqhah. I

So, your assertion that we don't have 45,000 a year dying for want of health insurance was basically an unsupported assertion, sometimes known as bullsh*t?

Heath care. Nuts and berries and sunshine. 95% of your symptoms will evaporate

Hired personal health, yeah, it dosn;t work, you have to do it yourself, read you sicvk mutherfukker, nuts and berries herbs and spices or chemical poisoning by the drug pushers

 

[EagleSmack]

Hillary: Trust Me, I'll Fix Obamacare, or Something - Guy Benson

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The subject matter of your query has not been researched unlike the Harvard study. You are the great lawyer - many in your profession are known for their great ability to engage in research. If anything, you should be the one to provide the answer to your earlier question.

Or maybe the person who made the statement should prove it.

You have the "logic" of a true believer, goph.

That's a bigger lie than your hero Bush's claim that there were active WMD in Iraq under Saddam.

Dafuq are "active" WMD? Bombs that attend Jazzercise classes twice a week?

 

[TenPenny]

And there would be money left over to teach math, LOL.

 

[JLM]

That's a bigger lie than your hero Bush's claim that there were active WMD in Iraq under Saddam.

Maybe the question should be changed from "were there W.M.D.s in Iraq?" to "Did Saddam have access to W.M.D.s?!

 

[MHz]

Does that mean going the path Calif is taking in that no treatment for terminal patients? The suicide pill will be covered by the State if that helps show the direction things are going.

Maybe the question should be changed from "were there W.M.D.s in Iraq?" to "Did Saddam have access to W.M.D.s?!

Yes he did and he was submitting all the paper proof of the purchased that the US sold to him. That is why the US got the report first, so they could disappear those (many) pages.