Shut Up about Iran
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earth_as_one : "Watching and waiting is the right thing to do. A time may come for action, but that is up to the Iranians. I am sympathetic to the protestors, but I don't think they have enough support to cause change. This can change quickly.
When Iranians overthrew the US supported Shah, they started out with similar protests. During the crackdown, the government killed a few protestors. Forty days later, Iranians mourned their deaths publicly as per their custom. That led to bigger protests and bigger crackdowns. The cycle repeated itself a couple of times."
That is all we can or should do, just watch let it play out, but for the most importantly stay out of it. The Iranian people will solve this in time. You know there is not any real difference as far as the west is concerned between President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Mousavi, both are Iranian's first.
When Iranians overthrew the US supported Shah, they started out with similar protests. During the crackdown, the government killed a few protestors. Forty days later, Iranians mourned their deaths publicly as per their custom. That led to bigger protests and bigger crackdowns. The cycle repeated itself a couple of times."
That is all we can or should do, just watch let it play out, but for the most importantly stay out of it. The Iranian people will solve this in time. You know there is not any real difference as far as the west is concerned between President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Mousavi, both are Iranian's first.
I agree IS, Mousavi isn't that different from Ahmadinejad. Which is why I posted in this string previously that I don't care for Mousavi earlier.
Previously I posted a string to mathematical analysis of Iran's election results (post #132). Election numbers lack randomness and were likely generated by humans. In otherwords, mathematical analysis support perceptions that elections were rigged.
I agree with making Iranians aware of evidence that their elections were rigged.
I disagree with using the media and internet to bombard Iranians with false and misleading propaganda with the intent of destabilizing the country. The US did that in the 1990's in southern Iraq and that led to a bloodbath.
I also disgree with sending mercenaries into Iran or arming Iranian dissident groups. We tried that in Afghanistan in the 1980's and that led to the Islamic fundamentalist movement.
I would like to see Iran change peacefully. A failed violent revolution would likely result in Iran becoming more belligerent toward the west.
Previously I posted a string to mathematical analysis of Iran's election results (post #132). Election numbers lack randomness and were likely generated by humans. In otherwords, mathematical analysis support perceptions that elections were rigged.
I agree with making Iranians aware of evidence that their elections were rigged.
I disagree with using the media and internet to bombard Iranians with false and misleading propaganda with the intent of destabilizing the country. The US did that in the 1990's in southern Iraq and that led to a bloodbath.
I also disgree with sending mercenaries into Iran or arming Iranian dissident groups. We tried that in Afghanistan in the 1980's and that led to the Islamic fundamentalist movement.
I would like to see Iran change peacefully. A failed violent revolution would likely result in Iran becoming more belligerent toward the west.
No kidding!
I was serious about the first part...the second part not so much.
But you want Ahmadinejad in for the sole reason that he is anti-US and you hate the US. Your colors have been showing the whole time.
I don't hate the US or Americans. I disagree with American foreign policies which involve war crimes and crimes against humanity. If this was the 1930's, I'd be against Hitler and Germany's foreign policies for the same reason. But that wouldn't mean I hate Germany or Germans.
Most Americans have a good sense of right and wrong. Unfortunately most Americans are misinformed. If Americans knew what their country does, most would be shocked and angry. Some might even demand accountability and justice. So why would I hate Americans? I just wish they were better informed.
But you can't claim ignorance ES. You are aware of your country's war crimes, crimes against humanity and all the resulting death and destruction. Yet you support this. Sure I have a problem with your viewpoint, but I don't hate you and I respect your opinions. I just disagree with you most of the time.
I've noticed that you ignore anything which contradicts your viewpoint. For example, I've posted repeatedly links which prove the US spends hundreds of millions on destabilizing Iran. As far as I can tell, you've never absorbed that information. Here is the link again:
That's why I'm skeptical of our news regarding this story. I suspect much of the internet noise regarding unrest in Iran is part of an effort to destabilize Iran.
I've read Ahmadinejad's speeches and I'm well aware of his true viewpoints, not the ones assigned to him by anti-Iranian demonizing propaganda. He's an intolerant religious zealot. I'm a tolerant agnostic liberal. We don't share many common philosophies. So I wouldn't want him leading my country. I wouldn't want Mousavi either, as he isn't much better. People who support Ahmadinejad tend to be ignorant and illiterate. In other words the same demographic which tended to support George W. Bush and the Iraq war. But I don't hate Iranians either. I also wish they were also better informed and educated.
Most Americans have a good sense of right and wrong. Unfortunately most Americans are misinformed. If Americans knew what their country does, most would be shocked and angry. Some might even demand accountability and justice. So why would I hate Americans? I just wish they were better informed.
But you can't claim ignorance ES. You are aware of your country's war crimes, crimes against humanity and all the resulting death and destruction. Yet you support this. Sure I have a problem with your viewpoint, but I don't hate you and I respect your opinions. I just disagree with you most of the time.
I've noticed that you ignore anything which contradicts your viewpoint. For example, I've posted repeatedly links which prove the US spends hundreds of millions on destabilizing Iran. As far as I can tell, you've never absorbed that information. Here is the link again:
That's why I'm skeptical of our news regarding this story. I suspect much of the internet noise regarding unrest in Iran is part of an effort to destabilize Iran.
I've read Ahmadinejad's speeches and I'm well aware of his true viewpoints, not the ones assigned to him by anti-Iranian demonizing propaganda. He's an intolerant religious zealot. I'm a tolerant agnostic liberal. We don't share many common philosophies. So I wouldn't want him leading my country. I wouldn't want Mousavi either, as he isn't much better. People who support Ahmadinejad tend to be ignorant and illiterate. In other words the same demographic which tended to support George W. Bush and the Iraq war. But I don't hate Iranians either. I also wish they were also better informed and educated.
Nah...you are hateful and jealous.
Oh...yesterday most Americans were apathetic.
Contradicting yourself as you seem fit.
We're informed...just not liberal.
Do you think we would listen to lies? Your kind beats a drum on every street corner in New York and at the mall in Washington DC. Most American's walk by as they are part of the lefty landscape.
"AMERICA DID THIS!"
"THE GOVERNMENT DID THAT!"
YAddaYAddaYadda.
No war crimes here baby!
I don't see any.
That is all garbage made by the American haters and west haters...and Iranians.
Iran is getting it's comeupance and they EARNED it.
I should I feel insulted that a birkenstock wearing lib called me ignorant? Hardly.
That just shows how the liberals feel...they think they know everything and are never wrong. That is the true ignorance of the left.