Shut Up (about) Chavez

darkbeaver

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WOW! Now this is a paranoid post for sure!

Bush was elected twice, it is only the people who hate him that say he isn't. The far wing of the left that can't stand him do this to make themselves feel good about themselves in their small pools.

What business is it mine? Well this is a forum right? I suppose you only want people who agree with your twisted views to respond. As far as I know there aren't many people from Venezuela posting here. So if it's not my business why are you here? Lead by example.

Bush...dictator. They are already having presidential debates and the election process is well underway. Nice try. Chavez is removing that process by throwing scraps at the poor. He IS removing any barrier that will ever remove him from office. Hand picking legislators, judges, shooting innocent people. Nice try.

Goodmorning Smack, top of the day to ya. Let's not talk about politics yet it's not even noon here, have you no regard for the digestion of others. You seem to be misinformed about the Bolivarian Republic, I can't see that as an aid to the complete envelopement of your cornflakes nor toast. Let's talk about soft boiled eggs and perfect toast dripping in butter (not oleo) do you dip the toast in the yolk (I do) what do you favour brown or white eggs large small or medium? What kind of juice? Bacon, is it part of your morning. Breakfast is possibly a bridge over our troubled waters.Do you enjoy it on the patio?
 

EagleSmack

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Goodmorning Smack, top of the day to ya. Let's not talk about politics yet it's not even noon here, have you no regard for the digestion of others. You seem to be misinformed about the Bolivarian Republic, I can't see that as an aid to the complete envelopement of your cornflakes nor toast. Let's talk about soft boiled eggs and perfect toast dripping in butter (not oleo) do you dip the toast in the yolk (I do) what do you favour brown or white eggs large small or medium? What kind of juice? Bacon, is it part of your morning. Breakfast is possibly a bridge over our troubled waters.Do you enjoy it on the patio?

Well you're in a good mood or you're just being fecetious.

But if it is breakfast talk you want...kidding or not...breakfast talk you shall have. Breakfast is my fovorite meal of the day. On Weekends I enjoy blowing the whole weeks cholesterol count in one fell swoop...BREAKFAST. Two eggs over easy (the local brown eggs of course as I am from New England.) Canadian White toast (or a Thomas's English Muffin)...real butter. Whole potatoes fried and sprinkled with crushed pepper and this SouthWest Chipotle Seasoning that I bought up in Lake George NY a few years back. Tropicana OJ...always...apple juice is for kids. When I am in the mood I will run out and get a ham steak...Maple or Hickory Smoked. Once I eat one of those meals I am good for the whole day!
 

darkbeaver

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Well you're in a good mood or you're just being fecetious.

But if it is breakfast talk you want...kidding or not...breakfast talk you shall have. Breakfast is my fovorite meal of the day. On Weekends I enjoy blowing the whole weeks cholesterol count in one fell swoop...BREAKFAST. Two eggs over easy (the local brown eggs of course as I am from New England.) Canadian White toast (or a Thomas's English Muffin)...real butter. Whole potatoes fried and sprinkled with crushed pepper and this SouthWest Chipotle Seasoning that I bought up in Lake George NY a few years back. Tropicana OJ...always...apple juice is for kids. When I am in the mood I will run out and get a ham steak...Maple or Hickory Smoked. Once I eat one of those meals I am good for the whole day!
That was fantastic. Absolutely one of the best breakfasts I'v ever read about. You have a far more refined palate than I. I feel ready to start the day.
 

gopher

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``Then I want you to say "Bush is A ok" ``


Bush no longer has majority support unlike Chavez.

I have called for Bush's impeachment on this forum before and will readily do so again. If the Venezuelans call for Chavez's impeachment, that's their business, not mine.
 

Zzarchov

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So bush was Aok to invade Iraq then? When he had high approval ratings.

Sure, maybe the people didn't know what the consequences were, but if thats the case, most of the poor don't know what the consequences of Chavez removing term limits are.

They also did call for his impeachment, his response (unlike bushes) try and jam the news airwaves and then open fire on those calling for his impeachment.

Side note: Chavez goons open fire on a protest march AGAIN, just last week.
 

Toro

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Goodmorning Toro, I trust you've had a good breakfast between the 4th and 5th holes, I hope the rest of the day is nice to you, handsome is it's own reward though so I can't think your day will be anything other than spectacular. Tell me a story about sunshine, what does it feel like on your skin, it's minus nine C here and I'm loath to venture out.:smile:


Thank you, my good man, Beav.

Unfortunately, it was raining in my office this morning. No, I'm not kidding, a pipe burst above us. I always wanted a waterfall in my office, but this was not what I had in mind. So I was unable to take advantage of the weak and the ignorant as I do every day with such enthusiasm and glee.

Its been chilly here. I almost had to scrape my car window this morning...
 

darkbeaver

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Cheer up the weak and ignorant will wait terrible about your plumbing problem, I know a journyman plumber, let me know tommorow if the problem persists there is a strip here for your learjet .
 

gopher

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``try and jam the news airwaves and then open fire on those calling for his impeachment.``


Wanna bet?

Bushniks and neoKKKonnivers have control of the news media and manufactured a false consensus by repeatedly lying and threatening anyone who dared to question Bush's war plans.

When Representative Barbara Lee voted against Bush's war plans she was attacked as being a traitor. This also happened to several other Congressional critics of Bush's treasonous war. Whenever a critic tries to discuss his/her views against war on reich wing radio they are immediately cut off and not allowed to speak. Where's is the FCC in all this? Why does this Federal agency comply with reich wingers but not with the truth??

When people marched against Bush's war of terrorism in NYC they were harassed and arrested by fascist police chief Raymond Kelley. Some were injured but all charges were dropped for lack of evidence. And what about soldiers who objected to that war? How many were imprisoned? How many were sent to their deaths in Iraq?


 

gopher

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Tens of thousands of Venezuelan patriots rally in support of national hero Chavez:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7121487.stm


``Chavez has urged voters to approve constitutional changes in a referendum on Sunday. Addressing tens of thousands of supporters at a rally in Caracas, he also threatened to stop oil supplies to the US if it tried to disrupt the vote.``


BBC presented film of the rally and it showed that many thousands appeared on behalf of this movement.

If Bush is so great, where are the pro Bush and pro war rallies???
 

s243a

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Tens of thousands of Venezuelan patriots rally in support of national hero Chavez:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7121487.stm


``Chavez has urged voters to approve constitutional changes in a referendum on Sunday. Addressing tens of thousands of supporters at a rally in Caracas, he also threatened to stop oil supplies to the US if it tried to disrupt the vote.``


BBC presented film of the rally and it showed that many thousands appeared on behalf of this movement.

If Bush is so great, where are the pro Bush and pro war rallies???

I wonder who he stole money from to buy off people to protest for him. Or maybe he used good ol' fashion intimidation.
 

Toro

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Quite the democrat is Hugh. Rally against him and lose your business.

JORGE RUEDA

Associated Press

November 27, 2007 at 12:25 AM EST

CARACAS — President Hugo Chavez warned Monday that he could to strip members of the country's largest business chamber of their assets if they continue to rally Venezuelans against his pending constitutional reform.

Fedecamaras, which counts thousands of large and small businesses among its members, rejected Mr. Chavez's constitutional overhaul as an “illegal act” in mid-November, and has since called on Venezuelans to oppose its passage in a Dec. 2 referendum “by every possible legal means.”

“When I saw and heard the president of Fedecamaras practically threatening us, that they'd do everything they have to do to avoid the reform's approval — well buddy, if you want to, go ahead, because I'm going to take away every business you have,” Mr. Chavez said in a televised speech.

Mr. Chavez accuses the business chamber of helping to orchestrate a 2002 coup that ousted him from office for two days — during which time Fedecamaras' then-president Pedro Carmona headed the country's interim government.

“I want to remind everyone that the Hugo Chavez of 2002 is history,” Mr. Chavez said. “I'm not going to permit what happened then to happen again, so if Fedecamaras wants to challenge the country, go ahead.”

Mr. Chavez is campaigning to change 69 articles of the country's 1999 constitution, to allow for his indefinite re-election and create new classes of communal property, among other things.

Human rights groups, the Catholic Church and other opponents warn the revisions will concentrate power in Mr. Chavez's hands — charges that government allies dismiss as rhetoric from an economic elite afraid to lose privileges as the country moves toward socialism.

It was unclear how Mr. Chavez's threats might play out. Fedecamaras' leaders are among critics who say they fear private property rights could suffer under the constitutional changes. Mr. Chavez says private property and private enterprise would be respected.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...chavezbusiness1127/BNStory/International/home
 

Toro

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Magnus Linton writes about Hugo Chavéz in DN Kultur today. It’s a nuanced article which doesn’t try to excuse Chavez’ authoritarianism. But one thing is odd, really odd, and I think it says a lot about the worldview of leftists generally.

To explain Chávez´ rise to power, Linton writes that poverty increased dramatically during “the neoliberal epoch” in Venezuela – the 1980s and 1990s. But Venezuela didn’t see any economic liberalisation during those two decades. On the contrary, according to the Fraser ranking, Venezuela became less economically free between 1980 and 2000 – from 7 to 5.5 on their 10-point scale (about where Nigeria and Pakistan is). And it was not because of Chávez’ first two years in power. The fall was even greater between 1980 and 1995, from 7 to 4.5.

So it’s not just that Venezuela didn’t deregulate and open the economy like the rest of the world, it went in the opposite direction. And it was one of just four countries to do that (Congo, Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe were the other three). And in fact, Venezuela reduced economic freedom even more than those three countries.

In other words, Venezuela was the country that moved away from economic liberalism the most in those 20 years, more than any other country in the world, and poverty increased dramatically. Magnus Linton’s conclusion: “Neo-liberalism” is to blame.

If they get away with that in Venezuela’s case, liberalism could obviously be blamed for any kind of problem anywhere in the world.

Here is my interpretation: When Linton and other leftists talk about “neo-liberalism” they don’t really mean liberalism and free-market policies. Linton’s only reason for calling Venezuela in the 80s and 90s neo-liberal is that poverty increased. Apparently, many leftists call everything that’s bad for the poor “neo-liberal”. If socialism, protectionism and regulation hurt the poor, it’s liberalism. In that case, I do understand why they think that we who call ourselves liberal are awful.

But if this is the case I am not a liberal, because I believe in liberal policies and they are good for the poor. It probably makes me a socialist, because I hate socialism, which hurts thepoor.

http://www.johannorberg.net/?page=displayblog&month=12&year=2007#2461
 

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``Quite the democrat is Hugh. Rally against him and lose your business.``


Colin Powell, Scott McClellan, numerous Federal attorneys, and many others have resigned or were forced out of their jobs by the Bush regime because of disagreements over his corruption.

I suppose that in your mind that makes Bush an angel.



 

darkbeaver

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BBC Englund;
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Hugo Chavez has arrested and jailed a British teddy bear suspected of planning a coup in conjuction with American covert teddy bears arrested earlier in the week. The plot was revealed by a disaffected teddy bear who turned himself in at a Carackus clinic today to have an eye button sewn back on. Thier were signs he had been flogged. Stuffed toys have become insturmental in TWOT (the war on terror) in recent months. Cuba has been arresting and deporting teddy bears since 1994 says ammnesia international. The public has been alerted to the possibility of communist dolls and bears infiltrating christmas pagents this year. A possible orange alert has been discussed.
 

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...and what is it about socialism that is feared so much it has to be propagandized? If you got it fair and square, then it will remain yours.

Woof!
 
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Toro

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``Quite the democrat is Hugh. Rally against him and lose your business.``


Colin Powell, Scott McClellan, numerous Federal attorneys, and many others have resigned or were forced out of their jobs by the Bush regime because of disagreements over his corruption.

I suppose that in your mind that makes Bush an angel.




This has what to do with Hugo?
 

Zzarchov

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``try and jam the news airwaves and then open fire on those calling for his impeachment.``


Wanna bet?

Bushniks and neoKKKonnivers have control of the news media and manufactured a false consensus by repeatedly lying and threatening anyone who dared to question Bush's war plans.

When Representative Barbara Lee voted against Bush's war plans she was attacked as being a traitor. This also happened to several other Congressional critics of Bush's treasonous war. Whenever a critic tries to discuss his/her views against war on reich wing radio they are immediately cut off and not allowed to speak. Where's is the FCC in all this? Why does this Federal agency comply with reich wingers but not with the truth??

When people marched against Bush's war of terrorism in NYC they were harassed and arrested by fascist police chief Raymond Kelley. Some were injured but all charges were dropped for lack of evidence. And what about soldiers who objected to that war? How many were imprisoned? How many were sent to their deaths in Iraq?


So you agree with me? No one was killed for opposing bush or calling for his impeachement?

As for the soldiers, being ex-military, I can tell you this:

In a volunteer military (ie no draft) there is no room for a conscientious objector. No one forces you to agree to sign a contract to take a gun and kill people (knowing full well that applies even if you disagree with the reason).

If you feel morally in jeopardy, you can refuse service and spend jail time (or do you only oppose as long as its convenient).

A soldier who thinks he should opt out of combat for moral reasons (and avoid punishment for it) is no different than a Cop refusing to arrest a criminal because he doesn't agree with the law (be it something harmless like "It doesn't hurt anyone to speed a little" to something harmful like "Dressing like that? I can't blame the guy for raping her").

If you do not think you will be able to do the job you are accepting payment for and agreed to perform, don't sign up for it.



No one died as a result of opposing bush. Bush did not send people to shoot people.
 

Zzarchov

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No, he doesn't have the capacity, he does try and kill as many Columbians as possible.
 

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``This has what to do with Hugo?``


As always, you Illimunati and Republicans like to criticize people while ignoring the crimes committed by your heroes.

Chavez may have his faults but he has made no effort to become dictator of the world like your hero Bush has done.