Sure.
That's why he controls the CIA - so that he can spread drugs in Colombia:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/White-out-Drugs-Press-Alexander-Cockburn/dp/1859842585
But don't blame the CIA, don't blame Chavez, instead,
BLAME CLINTON!!
Shut Up (about) Chavez
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Sure.
That's why he controls the CIA - so that he can spread drugs in Colombia:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/White-out-Drugs-Press-Alexander-Cockburn/dp/1859842585
But don't blame the CIA, don't blame Chavez, instead,
BLAME CLINTON!!
Bush will be gone in 2008 and you will have a new prez. He does not control the media, does not control the courts and does not control the house or senate and his term is fixed at 8 years for his lifetime. He will go back to being a civillian with no violence to make him go. So much cannot be said yet of Chavez. Only time will tell what horrors will unfold for Venezuela.
``So much cannot be said yet of Chavez.``
That will be up to the volitional choices made by Venezuelans. Moreover, he did not invade any foreign countries under false pretenses and kill one million for the selfish profit of his pals like Bush did.
Bush may be gone next year but it will take decades to repair the damage he created in Iraq and in the USA. And the cost will be in the trillions while his profiteering right wing pals will be celebrating.
That will be up to the volitional choices made by Venezuelans. Moreover, he did not invade any foreign countries under false pretenses and kill one million for the selfish profit of his pals like Bush did.
Bush may be gone next year but it will take decades to repair the damage he created in Iraq and in the USA. And the cost will be in the trillions while his profiteering right wing pals will be celebrating.
lol Liar.
Um, why has the conversation about Chavez turned into a conversation about Bush?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/02/AR2007120200522.html?hpid=topnews
Voters in Venezuela defeat Chavez's proposed reforms.
See? No coup, no tanks on the streets shooting down innocent people, judges and lawyers were not arrested and tortured unlike Pakistan under Bush's pal Musharraf.
Voters in Venezuela defeat Chavez's proposed reforms.
See? No coup, no tanks on the streets shooting down innocent people, judges and lawyers were not arrested and tortured unlike Pakistan under Bush's pal Musharraf.
``why has the conversation about Chavez turned into a conversation about Bush?``
It's the proper thing to do in order to give balance to the warped right wing views which are so lacking in logic and common sense.
It's the proper thing to do in order to give balance to the warped right wing views which are so lacking in logic and common sense.
No, but he did hint at, refering to the same quote he used when he last lost an election and staged his own failed coup. (In case you forgetten, the guy so victimized by having a coup attempt on him also tried to stage his own coup before rising to power).
And no, discussing bush is not the "proper thing".
Chavez is a right wing dictator spouting socialist rhetoric.
Once again, this whole thread about Chavez illuminates the fact that VOTING is the least important feature of a functioning democratic republic.
The common denominator of the US constitution is its fear of Tyranny by the Mob.
Tyranny of the Majority. The bill of rights interfere with majority rule. The Checks and Balances and Separation of powers interfere with this majority rule. The electoral college interferes with this rule.
As do most functioning parliamentary democracies have many obstructions to majority rule.
Voting, of course, gets all the attention.
But ultimately it is the least important determinant of a vibrant functioning democratic republic.
The common denominator of the US constitution is its fear of Tyranny by the Mob.
Tyranny of the Majority. The bill of rights interfere with majority rule. The Checks and Balances and Separation of powers interfere with this majority rule. The electoral college interferes with this rule.
As do most functioning parliamentary democracies have many obstructions to majority rule.
Voting, of course, gets all the attention.
But ultimately it is the least important determinant of a vibrant functioning democratic republic.
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The democratic mob, boogy-man for the monied class, they're right to fear us, we will tear them to pieces some day, in a single minded universal riot. oh boy!
If Venezuela was run by a dictator, would a popular vote defeat their leader?
A very slim margin, but a victory for popular vote...
I'm glad Chavez lost. His proposed changes would have concentrated too much power into an individual.
I agree with many of Chavez's socialist reforms.
Despite right wing, capitalist, military industrialist propaganda claims about socialism, socialism is not evil. In moderation it has benefits. Many great people have been socialist reformers.
Other well known socialist reformers include Ghandi and Jesus.
Now that Chavez has made his contribution, hopefully he will choose to retire as Pesident and take up other pursuits.
A very slim margin, but a victory for popular vote...
I'm glad Chavez lost. His proposed changes would have concentrated too much power into an individual.
I agree with many of Chavez's socialist reforms.
Despite right wing, capitalist, military industrialist propaganda claims about socialism, socialism is not evil. In moderation it has benefits. Many great people have been socialist reformers.
Other well known socialist reformers include Ghandi and Jesus.
Now that Chavez has made his contribution, hopefully he will choose to retire as Pesident and take up other pursuits.
Now that the President for Life referendum is complete lets see what happens next. The rumble of US M-48 and Soviet T-55 tanks on the streets will tell who Chavez really is or the compliance with the wishes of the voters may just surface. I hope for the latter. I still think he is castigated by the US and its cronies due to his independent spirit and refusal to be "under the thumb" of the US and it the South American governments who have sold out to the US interests. Time will tell us won't it?
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It's nice to see people thrilled about an exercise in democracy, Chavez wins no matter what. All he has to do is continue to suck air and enjoy ice-cream. It was a function of his power that allowed the exercise. The virus of grassroots socialism will multiply in the niegbourhoods in the co-ops in the clinics and schools. Dead or alive Chavez wins. haha:smile:
``Its the standard Pavlovian response when the Lefties are getting pwnd.``
Correction --- it is the righties who have been smashed to bits here on CC.
BTW, who's your war going on in Iraq?
Correction --- it is the righties who have been smashed to bits here on CC.
BTW, who's your war going on in Iraq?
Currently we can't tell if he's been defeated. If he leaves when his term is up, then you are correct, he has been defeated by this popular vote.
This guy has a habit of deciding to ignore elections and declare himself ruler however, such as his own failed coup in the early 90's.
So, if goes back to old tricks and just continues to assert control after his term is up with his own private army (as he has done before) then we will know the truth.
Remarkable interest in Bolivarian politics and grassroots democracy in Venezuellaia, whereas in the center of western Deep democracy no one has ever gotten to vote on questions of similar gravity, and very likely never will. It's also passing strange that forigne democracy is the main policy concern of the present administration while homeland security and OJ Simpson rule on the domestic front.
Who's my war?
I'm not at war with anyone.
Stay on topic. There is no war with Venezuela.