Should Canadian tax payers be funding abortion?

[Praxius]

by the same token why couldn't a fetus be considered a human being?

Human Being
human being - definition of human being by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
a member of any of the races of Homo sapiens; person; man, woman, or child.

.... human beings, human race, humankind, humans, mankind, humanity, world, man - all of the living human inhabitants of the earth;

^ Didn't see "Fetus" anywhere, sorry to say.

 

[JLM]

Human Being
human being - definition of human being by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
a member of any of the races of Homo sapiens; person; man, woman, or child.

.... human beings, human race, humankind, humans, mankind, humanity, world, man - all of the living human inhabitants of the earth;

^ Didn't see "Fetus" anywhere, sorry to say.

Doesn't prove a thing- a fetus is just as close to being a human being as a cheque is to money.

 

[Cliffy]

A human is just another species among millions. In the greater scheme of things, why do some consider it more important than all others? The web of life is all inclusive. None is more important but humanity is in a unique position to bring it all to a halt. One more human, more or less, could mean the end. Why fuss over the unborn of one species and ignore all the rest of life on the planet?

 

[JLM]

A human is just another species among millions. In the greater scheme of things, why do some consider it more important than all others? The web of life is all inclusive. None is more important but humanity is in a unique position to bring it all to a halt. One more human, more or less, could mean the end. Why fuss over the unborn of one species and ignore all the rest of life on the planet?

Do we really want to get the lid off that can of worms, Cliff? If the human animal was to disappear altogether there's not much doubt the planet would be better off. How can a specy with such a highly developed brain be so stupid? :lol::lol:

 

[Praxius]

Doesn't prove a thing- a fetus is just as close to being a human being as a cheque is to money.

Ok, you want proof in relation to a Cheque to Money?

fine.... You can Burn your Pay Cheque and still get another written up for the same amount..... just as you can abort a fetus and have another later on if you so desire.

If you abort a fetus, nothing legally happens to you.... if you end the existence of a human being, you can have legal action taken.

If you burn a cheque, nothing legally happens to you, but if you burn money, that's illegal in some/most countries.

Is that better?

 

[JLM]

Ok, you want proof in relation to a Cheque to Money?

fine.... You can Burn your Pay Cheque and still get another written up for the same amount..... just as you can abort a fetus and have another later on if you so desire.

If you abort a fetus, nothing legally happens to you.... if you end the existence of a human being, you can have legal action taken.

If you burn a cheque, nothing legally happens to you, but if you burn money, that's illegal in some/most countries.

Is that better?

You're talking legal implications here.

 

[YukonJack]

"A human is just another species among millions. In the greater scheme of things, why do some consider it more important than all others? The web of life is all inclusive. None is more important but humanity is in a unique position to bring it all to a halt. One more human, more or less, could mean the end. Why fuss over the unborn of one species and ignore all the rest of life on the planet?"

If one can not see the special place for humans (unless, of course it is in a negative way) any further discussion is in vain.

Obviously, Cliffy can not see that the internet on which he spews his liberal poison is the invention of HUMANS. It would be futile to point out to him that other species that he holds equal to humans NEVER produced a novel, a statue, a painting, a medicine to extend life and health, a symphony or for that matter a hip-hop or a rock-n-roll song, a car, a television or something as mundane as a refrigerator.

Anyone who hides behind the phony expression: "in the greater scheme of things" has no appreciation of what he and his species are, unless it is in the negative way, ignoring the most baasic tenet of his religion (Darwinism) about the survival of the fittest.

 

[Praxius]

Do we really want to get the lid off that can of worms, Cliff? If the human animal was to disappear altogether there's not much doubt the planet would be better off. How can a specy with such a highly developed brain be so stupid? :lol::lol:

Only a species with high intelligence can come to the conclusion that they're stupid, otherwise, what would they use to compare?

We're not the greatest thing to come to this planet, but we're not completely separate from the rest of this planet either..... and we have our own roles to play on this planet, just like every other animal species..... the only difference is that some like to focus on all the bad things we do and ignore everything else.

Hell, locust do plenty of bad things to the planet too, depending on how one looks at it, but they also do good as well.

Some people would suggest fires, or even forest fires are evil and bad.... serve no purpose, etc.

If humanity died off the planet tomorrow, would the earth continue one without us?

Yup.

The Earth would continue on without a few other animals species as well. Many animals go extinct.... it's happened many times in the past, it's happening today.... it will continue to happen in the future.

Animals die off and new ones take their place... that's all our existence consists of when we boil it right down..... Live, Reproduce, Die.... sometimes the reproduction aspect isn't applied and some things Live, then Die.

But it would seem some have this issue of trying to keep the planet exactly as it is.... every species needs to survive, we have to protect and save everything, or else the world we know won't exist.

The "World We Know" is supposed to be an ever-changing World, not some planet wrapped up in a big plastic bubble, locked in stasis forever, just because someone things nothing should ever die.

We shouldn't have abortions, every fetus should be born, raised and able to spawn more humans.... and so on and so forth.... even though the human population is already over 6.8 billion and people are already worried about over population and lack of resources.

You can't have it both ways and there must be balance.

 

[Praxius]

You're talking legal implications here.

Honestly this debate has gone so bass ackwards, I don't know what's being talked about anymore.

All I see are random hypotheticals and what-if's being tossed around to somehow try and get someone to slip up and prove them being in the wrong.

Point being, There is no point to this topic anymore.

I don't think there ever really was, since nothing new has been said in this debate for who know how many years.

Women should have the right to choose what happens in their lives and to their bodies, and the health care system should remain as it is.... that's my opinion, I explained why.... I read all the counter arguments..... that's pretty much it in a nutshell.

 

[Praxius]

"A human is just another species among millions. In the greater scheme of things, why do some consider it more important than all others? The web of life is all inclusive. None is more important but humanity is in a unique position to bring it all to a halt. One more human, more or less, could mean the end. Why fuss over the unborn of one species and ignore all the rest of life on the planet?"

If one can not see the special place for humans (unless, of course it is in a negative way) any further discussion is in vain.

Obviously, Cliffy can not see that the internet on which he spews his liberal poison is the invention of HUMANS. It would be futile to point out to him that other species that he holds equal to humans NEVER produced a novel, a statue, a painting, a medicine to extend life and health, a symphony or for that matter a hip-hop or a rock-n-roll song, a car, a television or something as mundane as a refrigerator.

Anyone who hides behind the phony expression: "in the greater scheme of things" has no appreciation of what he and his species are, unless it is in the negative way, ignoring the most baasic tenet of his religion (Darwinism) about the survival of the fittest.

Agreed..... these people and all those nature rights groups should all be arrested and charged for "Treason against Humanity".... and if found guilty, genetically mutate them into cattle and send them to Burger King.

 

[TenPenny]

Doesn't prove a thing- a fetus is just as close to being a human being as a cheque is to money.

A cheque is a promise to provide money on demand.

 

[Cliffy]

If one can not see the special place for humans (unless, of course it is in a negative way) any further discussion is in vain.

Obviously, Cliffy can not see that the internet on which he spews his liberal poison is the invention of HUMANS. It would be futile to point out to him that other species that he holds equal to humans NEVER produced a novel, a statue, a painting, a medicine to extend life and health, a symphony or for that matter a hip-hop or a rock-n-roll song, a car, a television or something as mundane as a refrigerator.

Anyone who hides behind the phony expression: "in the greater scheme of things" has no appreciation of what he and his species are, unless it is in the negative way, ignoring the most baasic tenet of his religion (Darwinism) about the survival of the fittest.

You obviously do not know how life works or the concept of the web of life. All species are interconnected and interdependent. Humans are part of the web. We cannot and will not survive if we wipe out all the other species. At the rate we are going, that will be in a few hundred (very conservative) years. Then we will be very special indeed.

Just because we are more technologically advanced than an aardvark doesn't mean we are smarter. At least an aardvark has the good sense not to destroy his environment. We may be the intelectual superiors of some species but we are not all that intelligent considering how well we have treated our life support system.

By the way, Jack, I think Darwin was barking up the wrong tree just as much as I think the religious are. And from most of your comments on just about every subject, many here would say that you are a walking justification for abortion.

 

[JLM]

Honestly this debate has gone so bass ackwards, I don't know what's being talked about anymore.

All I see are random hypotheticals and what-if's being tossed around to somehow try and get someone to slip up and prove them being in the wrong.

Point being, There is no point to this topic anymore.

I don't think there ever really was, since nothing new has been said in this debate for who know how many years.

Women should have the right to choose what happens in their lives and to their bodies, and the health care system should remain as it is.... that's my opinion, I explained why.... I read all the counter arguments..... that's pretty much it in a nutshell.

In that respect you are right, but beyond that our opinions differ. The thread is NOT about the morality of abortions, but about whether they should be publicly funded. In my opinion some should, for the sake of the life of the mother and in the case of incest- for anything else we're on a slippery slope. There is no valid reason why abortions should be publicly funded for the mothers convenience or stupidity. I think that is all the thread is about. I guess I'm as guilty as anyone for getting side tracked. :smile:

 

[TenPenny]

. There is no valid reason why abortions should be publicly funded for the mothers convenience or stupidity.

And there is also no valid reason why they shouldn't be.

 

[YukonJack]

"And from most of your comments on just about every subject, many here would say that you are a walking justification for abortion."

Obviously, both of our mothers were pro-life.

Since I am also pro-life, I honour the memory of my Mom.

How about you?

 

[YukonJack]

Only a total idiot would claim that humans want to destroy all other life forms and other species. Just like only a total idiot would claim that those who are conservatives want to spoil the air we breath and the water we drink. Only a total idiot would translate the Bible as an authorization by God to do so.

However, if it comes to a choice between the human species or another, since I am not a politically correct idiot, I WILL choose the HUMAN race.

 

[Cliffy]

"And from most of your comments on just about every subject, many here would say that you are a walking justification for abortion."

Obviously, both of our mothers were pro-life.

Since I am also pro-life, I honour the memory of my Mom.

How about you?

At that time they had very little choice. I honour my mother but I don't think she birthed me out of any altruistic adherence to a particular belief. She birthed all her children because my father was a good catholic.

 

[YukonJack]

cliffy, I never wished you dead. I may not agree with you on just about anything, but I would never sink as low as wishing your mother aborted you.

You blame your existance on your father being a good Catholic. Too bad the apple has fallen so far from the tree.

But then again, if your life depended on it, I am sure, just out of principle, you would go to the Atheist Hospital rather than a Catholic one.

RIGHT??

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I second the motion.

It's funny how some in here think Pregnancy and Giving birth is just a cake walk.

Oh... you're pregnant but don't want the child or your body to go under drastic and serious changes that can and does affect health, job and direction of your entire life?

Too bad, carry it full term, lose your job and pay for a few months, spit it out, that shouldn't be too hard, and then just plop it on the door step of an orphanage.... it works like that in cartoons afterall, piece of cake. :-?

Quite so. All these male politicians, Larry Elder and others, want a veto over if a woman can have an abortion. But when it comes to raising the baby, many of these males are nowhere to be seen. Many of the prolifers truly live by the prolife motto, life begins at conception and ends at birth.

How about some of the guys in here try and picture carrying a softball in their scrotum for 9 months and simply spitting that out through your pee hole with no probs.

I think you can buy artificial belly, which the male can tie to his stomach to see how his wife feels when she is pregnant.

I remember one comedy show a few years ago, where a man was wearing the belly while his wife was pregnant, just to see how it feels. After he had worn the belly for a few minutes, he got a business call. Whereupon he unstrapped the belly, threw it on the floor and disappeared out the door, saying "oops, gotta go".

Since it is the woman who carries the burden of pregnancy, she is the one who should decide whether the pregnancy goes to the term, not Larry Elder, or Harper or anybody else.

 

[JLM]

And there is also no valid reason why they shouldn't be.

Maybe not but if the man in charge wants my vote he won't be funding it. Maybe it would be a perfect subject for referendum.