Should Canadian tax payers be funding abortion?
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I'd call it the right thing to do, and encourage more to do so. If you consider a child to be an inconvenience, you'd be better off to have an abortion.
Really? I haven't seen much.
Whatta hero. Everyone hail the great, all-knowing, Praxius! :roll:
I know the stages of life after conception, thanks, Sherlock.:roll:
And it is a fact then, that according to you, the start of being a human being ranges from around 28 weeks to over 9 months.
So who's arguing about the legalities? There's more to life than legal issues, politics, and teligion.
Who said we have to worry? What I find pathological and sad is that a lot of people don't seem to value life very much unless it is their own. But I won't "worry" about it 24/7.If I worried all the time about such things, I'd never live my life in the first place, and that's just not healthy.
I agree the morality of the issue is relative and I've said that from the start. My other points are that in the large majority of cases, there are better and cheaper alternatives than abortion and that life is losing its value.The Technical side of things is solid.... and since the "Morally Correct" side of things is subjective to the individual being asked..... I couldn't care less if you or anybody else think's I'm correct in that aspect, because what you think is moral, is different from what I think is moral, or what many others think which can be different yet again.
Which is why I support Choice.... because everybody should be allowed to decide for themselves what is moral
I value the lives that exist right now, rather then wasting time valuing so-called "Life" that isn't even born yet.
wow I've met few people that have developed from being assholes to become hemorrhoids. Impressive.
And as I stated already in this thread, the costs are a bit different when you calculate everything.... see Page #4 - post #235 - Sub Section 4 - Paragraph 3
"People talk about costs of abortions, yet how much does it cost tax payers to find a half dead baby in a dumpster, try and save it through medical intervention, and even if it survives, what's the cost of keeping it alive, finding a home for this baby, the cost to law enforcement to track down, arrest and prosecute the person who left this baby to die?
I bet it's a lot more."
Abortion only needs to be done once..... having someone forced to have a baby they don't want, due to lack of money to pay for an abortion themselves, or because it's simply illegal, isn't going to always make people make the right decision.... or the decision you think they should.
Besides what's already been posted in here:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/91234-canada-stands-alone-anti-abortion.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/81874-how-should-we-define-pro.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/p...81863-pro-life-speaker-astounded-lecture.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/80894-afghan-foetus-aborted-razor.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/80696-parliamentary-group-wants-reopen-abortion.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-culture/75089-famous-abortionist-given-order-canada.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/76468-rights-unborn-still-hot-potato.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/75584-mother-faces-murder-charge-after.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/75295-abortion-harmful-economy.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/72975-quebec-doctors-federation-joins-fight.html
And those are just the threads in these forums that I responded to, not including all the others I didn't, nor counting the other threads about this topic in other forums I've debated in.
My sister's online username is Knowitall.... I'm just Praxius, but thanks for taking notice.
Really? Then why are you so confused in wanting to give some fetus the same human rights as the rest of us already born Human Beings?
It's a talent.
If you can't joke about everything, you can't joke about anything.
Lighten up, it's just abortion. :lol:
It's not like this topic in these forums or what any of us say in here is going to make any difference anyways.
And how many incidents are like that these days now that abortion is legal? You didn't bother answering this question when I asked it the first time.
Again, I think abortion should be illegal, but people need to be educated more about the alternatives and gov't is not helping much.
Like I said for about the 15th time, education would help. And instead of paying the $800 every time some poor woman gets pregnant it would still be a lot cheaper to have given her a contraceptive.
But you go ahead and argue that this would be a senseless way to go about it.
BTW I apologize for my earlier comment, but I happen to think life is a bit important.
In a nutshell, I am pro-life but also pro-choice.
I also think the gov't is being immensely stupid in that they whine about Canadian birthrate dropping and then not doing enough about the abortion issue.
Good for you, but I am not going to comb each one to look for the 1 or 2 links to the science that backs you up.
Apparently sarcasm is lost on you. I'm not surprised.
I'm not. I think a human being's life starts at viability.
Typically a lot less compared to if Abortion was banned all out.
In life, there are no absolute solutions to problems. Sure having gun control doesn't stop all gun-related violence in the country, but the amount of gun-related crimes, based on reports/studies over the years, has reduced... and would seem worth it.
There are no alternatives equal to Abortion and making Abortion illegal isn't going to solve anything.
Education can help in just about every situation except perhaps trying to stay dumb and ignorant.... in that case, education wouldn't help.
Education on Abortions would help too.
And as mentioned many times before, Contraceptives do not always work... none, not even condoms, are 100% effective..... and no matter how cheap they are, it doesn't mean squat if they don't work.
As already said, education can help in many aspects... but education isn't the sole solution.
So do I... it just depends on what "Life" you're talking about.
But just above you said Abortion should be illegal.... unless that was a typo. How can you be also pro-choice if you remove the choice?? :-?
Good ol Immigration.
So too is the ant crawling in from your window in the summertime that you squash.
Just because something is or may be considered "Life" or "Alive" doesn't mean that "Life" is entitled to the exact same rights as a human being.
I see that. How very noble.:roll:
Nonsense. I recognize what sort of character you have.
I'm not surprised to see you peripherizing life.
Really? How would you know? Perhaps a few of the non-posting people registered as members have learned things about abortion (among other things).
I didn't think you would.... but they're there if you are so inclined to do so.
Are you sure it's lost on me?
Really?
vi·a·ble
1. Capable of living, developing, or germinating under favorable conditions.
2. Capable of living outside the uterus. Used of a fetus or newborn.
3. Capable of success or continuing effectiveness; practicable: a viable plan; a viable national economy. See Synonyms at possible.
You don't know if a fetus is a "viable human being" until it is born and takes its first breath.... which even by law, dictates that is when one is considered a Human Being and thus, Rights issued.
If one is aborted before being born, then you can only assume it could have been viable..... in theory, so to speak.... but theories and assumptions are not evidence.... only part of an opinion.
Well, within the last 1 to 1.5 years, there was a newborn body found in a snowbank in Moncton when the snow melted, and there was a girl and her boyfriend in St Stephen NB charged with cutting up and burning her newborn baby to get rid of it.
True, but working the time machine to go back and prevent the pregnancy takes a lot of power.
Gee, an escapist answer. That figures.
And the amount of gun-related crimes was dropping without the stupid registry. So what? So what does that have to do with this topic? You think giving fetuses rights would enable them to start shooting everyone?
I can understand that people of limited faculties can think abortion is the only thing around, but I'm surprised that you are that limited. As I have said before, 2 alternatives to handing out abortions are contraception and adoption after birth. There may be more, but 2 is enough to show you wrong.
Education can help in just about every situation except perhaps trying to stay dumb and ignorant.... in that case, education wouldn't help.
Education on Abortions would help too.[/quote]Yes, education would help.
But they'd sure cut back on the abortion rate if people actually used them.
Here's a table of failure rates: Table of Contraceptive Efficacy
And I would bet those would decrease drastically if people doubled up on contraceptives.
And you've only snivelled about my solutions and offered no solutions at all. Big help you are. Are you a gov't bureaucrat, by any chance?
All life, not just the ones that you think are not worth a thought.
Wrong. That's what you think I said somewhere.
So far you've ignored a lot of stuff when it suits your purpose, argued it when you think you have a case, and even agreed sometimes.
Nope. No typo. It's your spin that seems to be confusing you.
Did you take a duh pill today? I've been saying all along that abortion is fine, but there are better and cheaper ways than abortion.
That's a pitiful bandaid solution.