Yeah, the topic is a little overdone. I know a lot of people resent the perceived cost of supporting her, but how many thousands of our people do we support at higher cost who contribute absolutely nothing?
Should Canada keep the Monarchy?
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Yeah, the topic is a little overdone. I know a lot of people resent the perceived cost of supporting her, but how many thousands of our people do we support at higher cost who contribute absolutely nothing?
We can compile a list of commoners who we support at higher cost who contribute absolutely nothing. :smile:
Modernizing government is ongoing. Britain should dismiss the monarchy and sell off most of the assets owned by the government, but used by the Queen or her family. I am certain that their personal assets are enough that they won't be queuing up for the dole.
Certain properties and lands can be used to bolster the tourist trade and reduce the debt. I think a portion of Buckingham Palace could be converted into a fancy hotel and a museum. Expand the Tower of London exhibits. Rich Saudis or Europeans visiting from the mainland need a good hotel at which to stay when they are in London.
The queen can retire at Sandringham or Balmoral. She owns them. She can also help out by sponsoring immigrants. There are enough bedrooms at either to house several dozen Indian families.
I am serious.
WRT Canada losing the monarchy, we can dispense with the GG and the expenses of his office. Certain ceremonial occasions like opening parliament can be modified and shortened. No need of the Black Rod or certain HoC procedures that can be eliminated or modified. Let's speed up the government and keep some of our MPs awake.
These costs are not perceived. They are real. Same with visits to Canada by the monarchy. Security, transportation and housing costs can be eliminated. If the queen or one of her children or grandchildren want to visit, they can buy a ticket on Air Canada or use their own plane.
Certainly there are other positions that are wasteful. One crisis at a time. It's easier to rid ourselves of the monarchy than it is to chop union jobs.
Modernizing government is ongoing. Britain should dismiss the monarchy and sell off most of the assets owned by the government, but used by the Queen or her family. I am certain that their personal assets are enough that they won't be queuing up for the dole.
Certain properties and lands can be used to bolster the tourist trade and reduce the debt. I think a portion of Buckingham Palace could be converted into a fancy hotel and a museum. Expand the Tower of London exhibits. Rich Saudis or Europeans visiting from the mainland need a good hotel at which to stay when they are in London.
The queen can retire at Sandringham or Balmoral. She owns them. She can also help out by sponsoring immigrants. There are enough bedrooms at either to house several dozen Indian families.
I am serious.
WRT Canada losing the monarchy, we can dispense with the GG and the expenses of his office. Certain ceremonial occasions like opening parliament can be modified and shortened. No need of the Black Rod or certain HoC procedures that can be eliminated or modified. Let's speed up the government and keep some of our MPs awake.
These costs are not perceived. They are real. Same with visits to Canada by the monarchy. Security, transportation and housing costs can be eliminated. If the queen or one of her children or grandchildren want to visit, they can buy a ticket on Air Canada or use their own plane.
Certainly there are other positions that are wasteful. One crisis at a time. It's easier to rid ourselves of the monarchy than it is to chop union jobs.
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So, you are suggesting then that the Prime Minister become the Head of State with nothing to control his/her actions? The way it stands now, the GG has many powers available to curtail an out of control PM. It looks to me like all you want to do is save a few bucks and while doing so, taking away any safe guards we have in place right now.
No. Next issue.
So make the GG head of state but without a connection to the monarchy. Germany and France have done similar things with their office of President.
Its history is a reason to scrap it. It belongs in the past. Monarchy was never a good idea to begin with. The concept of people inheriting power (or ceremonial roles now) based on which family a person was born into is absurd and always has been.
I'd like to find the up to date cost expenditures for the monarchy in Canada, but, according to Monarchist.ca, the annual cost for the GG (1998-99) was $22.4 million dollars. That was 17 yrs ago. I think we can assume that costs have risen since then.
These are not perceived costs, but are tied directly to having the Queen or members of her family drop by on occasion. This also includes the GG, provincial LGs, staff salaries, and related expenditures for the office.
There are indirect costs as well, borne by other departments, and not included in this report because they fluctuate annually.
Study on Cost of the Canadian Monarchy - 1999 | The Monarchist League of Canada
These are not perceived costs, but are tied directly to having the Queen or members of her family drop by on occasion. This also includes the GG, provincial LGs, staff salaries, and related expenditures for the office.
There are indirect costs as well, borne by other departments, and not included in this report because they fluctuate annually.
Study on Cost of the Canadian Monarchy - 1999 | The Monarchist League of Canada
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indirect costs certainly do fluctuate analy
someone has to wipe her butt
"The Queen’s hand washer dies at 82, butt wiper seeks promotion"
The Queen’s hand washer dies at 82, butt wiper seeks promotion
and someone has to pay for it
someone has to wipe her butt
"The Queen’s hand washer dies at 82, butt wiper seeks promotion"
The Queen’s hand washer dies at 82, butt wiper seeks promotion
and someone has to pay for it
Who me?? (as he scans the crowded room via a voice-over) and who the hell is Audry Farber???
Because the Fed will also go down the tubes and Sovereign Provinces and Territories and telephones (an such) will rule the 'new world'
There would be no replacement costs. There would be no need to replace anything. The GG, the LGs, and staff would be gone, The buildings would be sold off. I think the idea of saving what has probably reached 100 million or more per annum is enough to warrant elimination.
The PM can welcome heads of state from other countries when they visit. Costs to taxpayers for visiting dignitaries would still be incurred as always, but a separate department for the monarchy would no longer be maintained.
Well what? Are you off your feed?
Many countries around the world have no monarch to 'watch' their PMs or presidents. The GG powers are extremely limited as it is. Several legislative actions like the Statute of Westminster and repatriation of the constitution have reduced or curtailed the Queen's and her government's authority here.
Elimination of the monarchy means that Canada would become a republic. With that in mind, who watches Obama? They have the Senate and the House of Reps.
Many countries around the world have no monarch to 'watch' their PMs or presidents. The GG powers are extremely limited as it is. Several legislative actions like the Statute of Westminster and repatriation of the constitution have reduced or curtailed the Queen's and her government's authority here.
Elimination of the monarchy means that Canada would become a republic. With that in mind, who watches Obama? They have the Senate and the House of Reps.
Watch them become as big of crooks as they already are is more like it. Then there is their puppet-masters to deal with.
Ah, puppet masters. I'll leave the crooked stuff to the government. Of course, we know there's nothing amiss with any of our present provincial or federal govts because we have LGs and a GG keeping an eye on things for the Queen.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmOvEwtDycs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmOvEwtDycs
I must say I'm at a bit of a loss as to why the Queen can't wash her own hands. If she can ride horses surely to Christ she can wash her own hands and other parts of her anatomy. No disrespect but I do think this is a little beyond the pale.
The presidency and the prime minister are 2 different positions. Apples and oranges.
The Queen/GG is the equivalent to the american president in position.
You can call the head of a country whatever you want - president, chancellor, chairman, etc. Many words are used the world over to describe head of state. We can change the title 'Prime Minister' to one of the below, or run a contest and have a winner chosen from entries.
Here is a partial list of synonyms for head of government.
Elimination of the monarchy means we stop the antiquated practice of being in charge because a person was born into a certain family. This is one of the worst ways to find one's heads of state. History is rife with examples of bad rulers. We can install someone who is better qualified to hold the position.
In addition to finding someone who is more qualified to perform the duties of head of state, there is also the reduced cost and being better able to hold the boss to account for mismanagement (the French Revolution notwithstanding)
Here is a partial list of synonyms for head of government.
Elimination of the monarchy means we stop the antiquated practice of being in charge because a person was born into a certain family. This is one of the worst ways to find one's heads of state. History is rife with examples of bad rulers. We can install someone who is better qualified to hold the position.
In addition to finding someone who is more qualified to perform the duties of head of state, there is also the reduced cost and being better able to hold the boss to account for mismanagement (the French Revolution notwithstanding)
