I would say being confined to a 8x6 cell for the next 40-50 would involve a certain amount of suffering.
Should Canada have the death penalty again ?
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I would say being confined to a 8x6 cell for the next 40-50 would involve a certain amount of suffering.
Being confined to a 8x6 cell for the next 40-50 isn't that hard. It's the 40-50 years without having sex with a woman that is a punishment far worse than death.
Ever heard of conjugal visits?
Yep, but most times that ain't exactly the case, more often than not they get a free university education with access to the libary, computers and gymnasiums and in some cases if they are good for awhile the wife/girl friend is even allowed in for a little whoop de doo. Mind you I'm sure Bernardo and Olson ain't getting them perks.
I don't get agree with lifers getting free eduction but in the case of 'redeemable' prisoners, I think the cost is justified if it keeps them an activity other then violence and a possible future without crime.
Yea, killers like Bernardo etc stay in their cells pretty much 24/7 under protective custody.
Hmmm. But when us Yanks say something like this... doesn't that make us the "typical arrogant American"?
no.
Just the reduction in recidivism alone pays for all the education that a rehabilitated convict gets.
This seems to be a fundamental difference in left and right leaning people. The further right you go, the more people want to punish people, the further left, the more people want to rehabilitate people.
Consider for yourself, is it easier to show you in a well reasoned argument what it is you have done wrong and shown a better way that avoids those problems, or to hurt you enough that you are afraid to do it again?
Some people can't be rehabilitated. I would say that serial killers, pedophiles fit into this group. I mean, could I change your sexual orientation by putting you in jail for a while and threatening you? I wouldn't want them tortured or harmed, though vengeance seems such an easy position to take. Rather, I would want them to be removed from society for good, and placed where they can have some sort of meaningful life away from those they would harm if they could.
In this way, they are easier to manage which makes those who work with them on a day to day basis, job easier and less of a chance that they will risk it all to escape. Removing all the temptation helps to keep them out of trouble when they can't resist their urges themselves.
Killing someone doesn't allow for mistakes. Using Milgard, Marshall and others as examples, show that mistakes can be made and drawn out for more years than it takes to process someone for the needle. I would rather err on the side of safety and lock them up for ever than to kill an innocent person.
I had a relative who was an MP and voted to get rid of capital punishment back in the day. He explained that he voted against it for two reasons: there is no chance to correct an error, which does happen, as you've noted. The other reason was that he, as a journalist, covered an official execution. And that made his mind up.
And they usually end up in the "club med" prisons where they toil and do their hard time.
(Thinking of Conrad here,
)Prisoners should definitely be made to work! What happened to the prison farms where they used to learn trades and pay for their keep with their work?
We know that working the land and with animals is therapeutic. We know that learning a trade and being able to do a job well boosts self esteem. Yet the governments have abolished making the prisoners work. They can sit around all day and do as they please. Idle minds are the devil's workshop and idle hands the devil's tools.
I also had a cousin who was an MP and voted to abolish the death penalty because (he said) Pierrre Trudeau told them that they either vote the way they were told or their policatl careers would be over. The bastard caved in. He became minister of veteran's affairs and eventually died an alcholic.
The Unions don't like prisoners doing jobs for $5 a day that should be done by people earning $30 an hour.
Wait a minute, do you want inmates getting free education or not? One minute it's lounging around doin' all that book lernin' and the next it's no free education. Which is it going to be? So what do you do, incidentally when the prisoner you tell to go work all day tells you to **** off and rolls over in his bunk?
Tell that to the horse.
Now it's all these dangerous offenders needing to have their self esteem boosted? Can you pick a position and stick with it at least for the thread?
Well if the devil is making them do it, shouldn't they be given an exorcism instead of all this jail time and education?
My cousin used to work the land on my uncle's farm. I went to his wedding and he once saved me from angry pigs. Isn't that an odd connection to this thread?
Not just unions. No worker would like to see his livelihood undercut by the equivalent of slave labour. Of course, there are those who think a low wage economy is the way to go.
So far as the thread is concerned, does anyone have any evidence that the death penalty in any way reduces the murder rate?
You're wrong. The further left, the more people want to criminalise law abiding gun owners,
Take you for example, your only interest in recidivism is to see the convicts come out and kill more people so you can further your cause against duck hunters and farmers.
Not exactly "slave labour" as these boys have a huge "debt" to repay. :smile: