Good sensible post. :smile:
A bullet to the front of the head might make him sweat a little more.
Should Canada have the death penalty again ?
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Good sensible post. :smile:
A bullet to the front of the head might make him sweat a little more.
It would have to be a full metal jacket. The forehead is very think and there is no guaranty that death would incur with a handgun. Most executions (to me knowledge, which isn't extensive) are to the back of the head where the spine meats the skull, severing the spinal cord. A forehead shot would be cruel - fine if that is your purpose.
The death penalty has NEVER reduced the murder rate, anywhere that it has existed. That is actual fact.
Personally, unless all appeals can be dealt with in one year or less, I don't believe that the Death Penalty has any deterrent effect at all. The punishment is so remote from the crime, that it is effectively meaningless.
Much more effective is: Life without the possibility of parole. NO exceptions of any type. No pardon allowed, unless it can be proven that the person absolutely did not commit the crime.
Stop all incarceration for victimless crimes such as prostitution, drug possession (not for sale), gambling (as a participant), smuggling of goods (NOT narcotics), etc. But, treat being a pimp/madam as a major felony, with a minimum of 15 years in prison; confiscate all money caught in gambling, all goods being smuggled, etc.
Driving under the influence (alcohol OR drugs) should be treated as follows:
1st Offense 30 days in jail (NO exceptions), impound the vehicle for 90 days, mandatory 1 year outpatient treatment program at least twice weekly. (Impound the vehicle no matter WHO it belongs to. If a rental car, the driver pays the rental while it is impounded. If it's a friends or neighbors, too bad, you shouldn't let a drunk drive your vehicle.)
2nd offense: 180 days in jail (again NO exceptions), 5 years probation, 5 years of mandatory outpatient treatment at least 3 days per week, $10,000 fine. Impound the vehicle being driven for 6 months (the same as above). Loss of drivers license for 5 years, no exceptions at all for work, etc.
3rd Offense: 5 years in prison. Lifetime ban on driving. If caught driving ever again, another 5 years in prison automatically with no trial. 3rd time caught driving, life in [prison. Confiscation of the vehicle being driven, to be sold and the money used to enforce DWI laws..
4th Offense: Life in prison without parole. (Any person that has a 4th offense should be considered to be an attempted mass murderer, and should be treated as such.
I can guarantee that if such stringent laws were passed, and enforced, driving under the influence would no longer be accepted by society, and that people would not let their neighbor or relative that is a drunk drive their vehicles. This is NOT a minor crime. Anyone that drives under the influence should be charged with attempted manslaughter at the minimum!
Personally, unless all appeals can be dealt with in one year or less, I don't believe that the Death Penalty has any deterrent effect at all. The punishment is so remote from the crime, that it is effectively meaningless.
Much more effective is: Life without the possibility of parole. NO exceptions of any type. No pardon allowed, unless it can be proven that the person absolutely did not commit the crime.
Stop all incarceration for victimless crimes such as prostitution, drug possession (not for sale), gambling (as a participant), smuggling of goods (NOT narcotics), etc. But, treat being a pimp/madam as a major felony, with a minimum of 15 years in prison; confiscate all money caught in gambling, all goods being smuggled, etc.
Driving under the influence (alcohol OR drugs) should be treated as follows:
1st Offense 30 days in jail (NO exceptions), impound the vehicle for 90 days, mandatory 1 year outpatient treatment program at least twice weekly. (Impound the vehicle no matter WHO it belongs to. If a rental car, the driver pays the rental while it is impounded. If it's a friends or neighbors, too bad, you shouldn't let a drunk drive your vehicle.)
2nd offense: 180 days in jail (again NO exceptions), 5 years probation, 5 years of mandatory outpatient treatment at least 3 days per week, $10,000 fine. Impound the vehicle being driven for 6 months (the same as above). Loss of drivers license for 5 years, no exceptions at all for work, etc.
3rd Offense: 5 years in prison. Lifetime ban on driving. If caught driving ever again, another 5 years in prison automatically with no trial. 3rd time caught driving, life in [prison. Confiscation of the vehicle being driven, to be sold and the money used to enforce DWI laws..
4th Offense: Life in prison without parole. (Any person that has a 4th offense should be considered to be an attempted mass murderer, and should be treated as such.
I can guarantee that if such stringent laws were passed, and enforced, driving under the influence would no longer be accepted by society, and that people would not let their neighbor or relative that is a drunk drive their vehicles. This is NOT a minor crime. Anyone that drives under the influence should be charged with attempted manslaughter at the minimum!
My father worked construction with Ronald Turpin, one of the last two men executed in Canada in 1962, on dam building projects in Northern Ontario in the late 1950s. He always spoke of him with great affection as a confused but basically good young man, not a hardened criminal.
The execution of Turpin and Arthur Lucas was a sad affair. lt was botched and bloody with Lucas being almost decapitated. Executions seem to bring out the low life scum, in one instance of someone who hanged two Labradors to get his jollies, since he wasn't invited to the party.. but there were several others.
If we are going to have a Death Penalty, then it should be for real predatory beasts.. Drug kingspins, terrorist masterminds or abortionists with over a thousand notches on their Kalashnikovs (or instruments of 'choice').. or Global Financiers and Wall Street Investment Bankers and their enablers. But of those two classes, it is stringing up of the financiers and bankers that would do the most good.
The execution of Turpin and Arthur Lucas was a sad affair. lt was botched and bloody with Lucas being almost decapitated. Executions seem to bring out the low life scum, in one instance of someone who hanged two Labradors to get his jollies, since he wasn't invited to the party.. but there were several others.
If we are going to have a Death Penalty, then it should be for real predatory beasts.. Drug kingspins, terrorist masterminds or abortionists with over a thousand notches on their Kalashnikovs (or instruments of 'choice').. or Global Financiers and Wall Street Investment Bankers and their enablers. But of those two classes, it is stringing up of the financiers and bankers that would do the most good.
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It is cheaper and more efficient to get rid of them right away. I think that once convicted, people should have a set number of appeals, perhaps 2? and after that that's it. No reason to keep them locked away for 15-20 years when you can lock them for 1 year or less.
The courts don't move quick enough for your timetable. Capital murder cases are complex by nature, expecting to run through the appeals in a year without severe abuses of due process is unreasonable.
Just a hypothetical, Taxx:
Would you feel the same way if the convicted and guilty person was your brother? Sister? Father? Friend??
How long would you say is a reasonable timetable then?
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It would depend. If I knew someone in my family or a friend was someone always in trouble with the law or in and out of jail and got convicted of a murder charge I wouldn't exactly be surprised. If the courts deemed death the punishment, so be it.
Until their legal options have been exhausted, including appeals at the various court levels, DNA testing etc etc. Even then, I don't support capital punishment.
Taxx replied to my queery:
"It would depend. If I knew someone in my family or a friend was someone always in trouble with the law or in and out of jail and got convicted of a murder charge I wouldn't exactly be surprised. If the courts deemed death the punishment, so be it."
OK, then would you feel the same way, if you had any doubt about the conviction, or if you were convinced that that person IS innocent, yet has been sentenced to die?
"It would depend. If I knew someone in my family or a friend was someone always in trouble with the law or in and out of jail and got convicted of a murder charge I wouldn't exactly be surprised. If the courts deemed death the punishment, so be it."
OK, then would you feel the same way, if you had any doubt about the conviction, or if you were convinced that that person IS innocent, yet has been sentenced to die?
I would honestly have to wait and see how I felt. I can assume, but in reality I don't know what would happen so I'd need to wait and see.
Capital punishment is feel-good justice for people who just can't get enough violence in their lives.
We know from studies done in the US that states that execute prisoners have higher murder rates than those that don't often with peaks right after an execution so it's not a deterent. Any justice system has a certain rate of false convictions, capital punishment becomes defacto murder in a significant number of cases(even one is significant).
We know from studies done in the US that states that execute prisoners have higher murder rates than those that don't often with peaks right after an execution so it's not a deterent. Any justice system has a certain rate of false convictions, capital punishment becomes defacto murder in a significant number of cases(even one is significant).
My vote is a NO for many of the reasons already stated here - the biggest one being that we have already found that some of our convicted murderers were later found to be innocent. The possibility that even one innocent person might have been put to death is enough for me to vote against capital punishment. We do not live in a perfect society and there have been too many instances of sloppy criminal investigations to ever take the chance of killing someone.
Psycopaths only. Don't waste your mercy, they can't feel it and they can't be changed. Many of the worst wear suits and hold positions of power.
Thank you, gerryh.
Proof that even a blind hen finds a seed, once in a while. And I honestly DO NOT mean that it is you who is the blind hen.
The Cannucks are the ones that should answer this, but personally I am against it here in the states.
It is not a deterrent, it is far more expensive than people think, and most importantly it isn't right.
Lock them up forever, 23 hours in a cell, 1 hour to shower. To me that is worse than having a seat in Ol' Sparky.
It is not a deterrent, it is far more expensive than people think, and most importantly it isn't right.
Lock them up forever, 23 hours in a cell, 1 hour to shower. To me that is worse than having a seat in Ol' Sparky.
Well said, lock em up in the SuperMax prisons and they'll be living hell on a daily basis for the rest of their miserable existence.
Absolutely. Just because they aren't getting stuck with the juice doesn't mean life has to be all rainbows and sunshine on the inside. Prison is awful.
Eaglesmack your restraint of involving yourself in Canadian affairs is, indeed admirable. I wish we Canadians could (would) show the same discipline not butting our noses into American affairs.
Including myself.