Should canada have high-speed rail?

YukonJack

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"How many trips out ten when travelling the 401 corridor are not delayed due to a fatal accident in GOOD weather?"

Anecdotal, of course, but as one who travelled it innumerable times, maybe four-hundered and ninety-nine trips are not delayed by fatal accident, out of five hundred.
 

countryboy

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"How many trips out ten when travelling the 401 corridor are not delayed due to a fatal accident in GOOD weather?"

Anecdotal, of course, but as one who travelled it innumerable times, maybe four-hundered and ninety-nine trips are not delayed by fatal accident, out of five hundred.

Uh, let's see...I drove on a stretch of it to the office (near the airport) every day for 8 years but as far as I can remember, I was never delayed due to a fatal accident. On the numerous trips to Windsor, let's see...nope, not once. Toronto-Montreal? Uh, don't remember one. But, I'm only speaking from personal experience.

Of course, one would have to check the official stats to come up with a real answer to that question.
 

petros

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"How many trips out ten when travelling the 401 corridor are not delayed due to a fatal accident in GOOD weather?"

Anecdotal, of course, but as one who travelled it innumerable times, maybe four-hundered and ninety-nine trips are not delayed by fatal accident, out of five hundred.
Anecdotal? Out of those anecdotal crashes were they speeding or driving above the conditions of the road or traffic flow?
 

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Anecdotal? Out of those anecdotal crashes were they speeding or driving above the conditions of the road or traffic flow?

The last time I drove it east of Toronto, I was delayed for quite some time due to a fatal accident. Took 5 hours to get from Toronto to Cornwall.

So, anecdotally, I'd say 100% of the trips are delayed due to fatal accidents.

I didn't find the survivors to bury, though.
 

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I can understand people wanting high speed rail for 'work
purposes', or, to 'get' one there on time, but for 'recreational travel', high speed takes
away the true meaning of 'travelling by train'.

The whole idea is to 'slow' down, relax, enjoy the moment,
and the service on the train, meet people and chat with
them about their home towns and travel experiences, and
most of all 'see' the country, I mean really 'see' the
country, not a fly by.

If there is high speed rail in the future in canada, I sure
hope the existing rail service will still be available, or
an upgrade of same.

The people we met travelling from coast to coast, were 'mostly'
from other countries, and didn't want to race across canada, they
wanted to soak everything in, and see the country.
I was 'sorry' when it got dark, and I got tired, as I didn't want to sleep,
but had no choice. The first night on the train, I sat at the window at the
end of the bed, and looked outside at all the little french towns and houses,
and in the middle of the night, and, in the middle of nowhere, someone had lit a tree
with Xmas lights close to the train track, for 'us' to see, it was very touching
and thoughtful.

High speed rail could never exist in b.c., with exception of
fraser valley to vancouver.
 

petros

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The last time I drove it east of Toronto, I was delayed for quite some time due to a fatal accident. Took 5 hours to get from Toronto to Cornwall.

So, anecdotally, I'd say 100% of the trips are delayed due to fatal accidents.

I didn't find the survivors to bury, though.
When you compare the cost of human life does spending oh 15 Billion to go undground seem unreasonable? It would last as long as the pyramids. Nothing says "permanent" like cdn granite and stainless steel.

If 1 life is worth oh say $10 Million the we'd save $3.6Billion per year on ONE highway.
 

AnnaG

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Well, anyway. I'd use it. I've always wanted to go see the east coast and would hate to have to fly and miss a lot of scenery, but going through the prairies, it would be handy to do it reasonably quickly.
One can see a lot more at 200 km/hr than they can at 650 km/hr and 35,000 feet. And for the really scenic parts, they could slow to highway speeds.
As far as the nonsense about terrorism goes, I haven't heard of any of Europe's, Japan's HSRs being bombed and I don't remember Canada being hit by a terrorist bomb period.
 

YukonJack

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"As far as the nonsense about terrorism goes, I haven't heard of any of Europe's, Japan's HSRs being bombed and I don't remember Canada being hit by a terrorist bomb period."

Anna G, the key expression is "not yet".

Also do not forget the attacks on RAIL transportation by terrorists in Madrid. High speed or not.
 

petros

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Well, anyway. I'd use it. I've always wanted to go see the east coast and would hate to have to fly and miss a lot of scenery, but going through the prairies, it would be handy to do it reasonably quickly.
One can see a lot more at 200 km/hr than they can at 650 km/hr and 35,000 feet. And for the really scenic parts, they could slow to highway speeds.
As far as the nonsense about terrorism goes, I haven't heard of any of Europe's, Japan's HSRs being bombed and I don't remember Canada being hit by a terrorist bomb period.
From our eastern SK residence to Edmonton it's about 11hrs to Edmonton without stopping for gas, eating or peeing.

It's 13hrs by rail overnight with 4 stops along the way. You get on at supper time have an excellent dinner and dessert and coffee or what have you. When you tire out you hit the berth, and get a half decent sleep until up at 5:30 or 6:00, go have a shower, eat an amazing breakfast as everyone in rush hour traffic is stopped dead while your train rolls by. Great hotels are all within walking distance. That's how "scary" a prairie train ride is. It's the fastest, smoothest part of the continental line.

The scenery is actually quite spectacular as the line follows the North Sask River valley for a large chunk of the ride.
 

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"As far as the nonsense about terrorism goes, I haven't heard of any of Europe's, Japan's HSRs being bombed and I don't remember Canada being hit by a terrorist bomb period."

Anna G, the key expression is "not yet".

Also do not forget the attacks on RAIL transportation by terrorists in Madrid. High speed or not.
So stay in your house and don't go anywhere and quit moaning about what other people that want to go by rail.
As near as I can tell if someone bombed a few bridges like the Port Mann at rush houror something it'd not only be tragic for deaths, but bloody expensive to repair. Yet they haven't done that yet, huh?
You going to go hermit and live in fear the rest of your life, or take your chances and travel while the odds of being bombed are miniscule?
 

YukonJack

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"So stay in your house and don't go anywhere and quit moaning about what other people that want to go by rail.
As near as I can tell if someone bombed a few bridges like the Port Mann at rush houror something it'd not only be tragic for deaths, but bloody expensive to repair. Yet they haven't done that yet, huh?
You going to go hermit and live in fear the rest of your life, or take your chances and travel?"

Anna G, you obviously did not read my previous posts. I never advocated that one be a hermit, live in fear or stay at home. I only said that I would prefer the freedom of travelling at my own schedule, at my own speed, at my own comfort in my own car. And I had the courtesy and decency of not referring to opinions that I do not agree with as 'moaning'.
 

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From our eastern SK residence to Edmonton it's about 11hrs to Edmonton without stopping for gas, eating or peeing.

It's 13hrs by rail overnight with 4 stops along the way. You get on at supper time have an excellent dinner and dessert and coffee or what have you. When you tire out you hit the berth, and get a half decent sleep until up at 5:30 or 6:00, go have a shower, eat an amazing breakfast as everyone in rush hour traffic is stopped dead while your train rolls by. Great hotels are all within walking distance. That's how "scary" a prairie train ride is. It's the fastest, smoothest part of the continental line.

The scenery is actually quite spectacular as the line follows the North Sask River valley for a large chunk of the ride.

I loved going through the prairies by train, not what I
expected at all, it's very interesting and beautiful, and
I would do it again in a heartbeat.
I grew up on the west coast, have known mountains by the
thousands on my trips all over my province, and it is very
beautiful, but the vastness of the prairies, and the wide
open feeling, and how far one can see is amazing.

Even the boreal forest is nice, lots of water, saw deer,
and much of it is through the night, so one isn't awake through
all of it, as it does take a long time, where you can't
see far, but there are so many other things to do on the
train when you don't want to stare out the window.
 

AnnaG

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From our eastern SK residence to Edmonton it's about 11hrs to Edmonton without stopping for gas, eating or peeing.

It's 13hrs by rail overnight with 4 stops along the way. You get on at supper time have an excellent dinner and dessert and coffee or what have you. When you tire out you hit the berth, and get a half decent sleep until up at 5:30 or 6:00, go have a shower, eat an amazing breakfast as everyone in rush hour traffic is stopped dead while your train rolls by. Great hotels are all within walking distance. That's how "scary" a prairie train ride is. It's the fastest, smoothest part of the continental line.

The scenery is actually quite spectacular as the line follows the North Sask River valley for a large chunk of the ride.
Sounds fine by me. I just am scared about hours upon hours of seeing nothing but grain fields, elevators, silos, and the occasional farmhouse or 200 person town. I'm kind of spoiled scenery wise, being from BC. I like raging rivers, cascadess, forests, critters, lakes, snow=capped mountains, etc.
To me, this


beats this any day
 

talloola

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Sounds fine by me. I just am scared about hours upon hours of seeing nothing but grain fields, elevators, silos, and the occasional farmhouse or 200 person town. I'm kind of spoiled scenery wise, being from BC. I like raging rivers, cascadess, forests, critters, lakes, snow=capped mountains, etc.
To me, this




beats this any day

I'M b.c. too, and I think both of the pictures are as
beautiful as each other.
 

AnnaG

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"So stay in your house and don't go anywhere and quit moaning about what other people that want to go by rail.
As near as I can tell if someone bombed a few bridges like the Port Mann at rush houror something it'd not only be tragic for deaths, but bloody expensive to repair. Yet they haven't done that yet, huh?
You going to go hermit and live in fear the rest of your life, or take your chances and travel?"

Anna G, you obviously did not read my previous posts. I never advocated that one be a hermit, live in fear or stay at home. I only said that I would prefer the freedom of travelling at my own schedule, at my own speed, at my own comfort in my own car. And I had the courtesy and decency of not referring to opinions that I do not agree with as 'moaning'.
Funny. It sure sounded like you were begrudging anyone else from having a decent HSR system. So why did you mention terrorism, if you weren't thinking about limiting everyone else's choices of travel modes?
 

AnnaG

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I'M b.c. too, and I think both of the pictures are as
beautiful as each other.
Yeah, well, the thing is, places like BC have a variety of sceneries whereas all I can imagine the prairies having is hundreds of miles of that picture over and over and over. lol I've looked east of Calgary from its tower. "Boring" came to mind.
 

talloola

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Yeah, well, the thing is, places like BC have a variety of sceneries whereas all I can imagine the prairies having is hundreds of miles of that picture over and over and over. lol I've looked east of Calgary from its tower. "Boring" came to mind.

all in the eye of the beholder I guess.
after spending my life in b.c., I love the wide
open spaces, a great feeling for me, and I know there
are areas of b.c. where one can see that, but not at the
same degree.
 

AnnaG

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I know of a few spots that are pretty wide open. Like this


All you see is green, blue, and very low rolling hills. And that is in BC