Shots fired on capitol hill
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No one knew if she was armed. And we know it is easy to acquire a gun or rifle or an arms depot.
The safety of the child was paramount after the WH incident.
The Police did what they had to do, imho.
If the Police had chased her down later and the child was dead, what would the reactions be.
to be fair Goob the press did a p iss poor report on it to begin with...they reported way too fast and made it appear way too big so the first reaction is to minimize it
Well ultimately yeah, they were bad choices. But the important part, to me, is that she made a choice. She had options along the way. Again, she had a freaking child in the car with her. To say it was a bad choice is actually quite the understatement to be honest.
I don't care how 'frightening' it would have been to have all those police pull guns and demand you exit the vehicle; drive, reverse, drive...right there, three choices made. If that's not enough time for an adult who is responsible for the life of a young child to reconsider the choice, I don't know what is.
the kid is kind of old but postpartum pychosis breezed through my head...it's a bizarre thing to do, but the kid is too old I think and she did jump out of the car which likely saved the child.
Technically speaking, no. But choice in the context that it was not an innocent action that got out of control. She caused the situation to go out of control. Whether it was because she was mentally unstable or simply enraged (which is probably still mentally unstable), but it was not a misunderstanding.
I was detecting a general slight sentiment of "oh, there go the cops again, over reacting", got to say, in this situation, I don't think that's the case. The situation didn't go off the rails because of anything they did, at least as far as I can determine from what's been presented so far. And there's no video, so far, of the fatal shot. Reports she got out of the car, but doing what, saying what, acting how?
I firmly believe that the first choice of law enforcement should be to diffuse a situation but I'm rather hard pressed to see where they possibly could have done that here.
I don't doubt that it did.
Agreed, it was not a misunderstanding.
have to say, that was my first reaction because of the various situations recently in which they have displaced a complete lack of ability to correctly handle situations with innocents.
Once she was out of the car, if everyone was cool, even if she was raging, things could have gone differently so it is too bad that everyone didn't pause for a moment and think things out no?
I don't know, they always seems to in the past, what has changed? Well multiple variables are at play. I am not saying one way or another, but police response has changed. They shoot first and figure it out later and that is of concern.
I wonder if that's a media thing? It's not that I don't understand the sentiment, I react to things I read in the news too. But in between these "spectacular news events" I have to admit I'd be hard pressed to say that I truly believe a police officer puts on his or her uniform in the morning for the specific purpose of causing harm.
If, if, if...we don't know. All I've heard is that she exited the vehicle. I can think of a few scenarios where it might seem like she presented a threat, to the responding officers or even the public. So it's hard to say.
See I was reading a news article at noon about a 50 year old guy who showed up at an Ottawa area school with an air gun, ranting, pushing his way into the office, making threats, etc. They evacuated the school. The police arrived, tasered him, and arrested him. No muss, no fuss. And I'd be willing to bet that there are more incidences like that occurring between law enforcement and the public than the other type where things have gone out of control. Not that I'm excusing poor behaviour by law enforcement, not by a long shot, I think the level of training has gone downhill. But I'm still willing to bet on more positive than negative things. And I'm a pessimist! Lol.
Sure, it does bear closer scrutiny in those situations. And there are tons of things that our police forces can and should be doing to repair damage to the public trust when bad things happen or police get what seems like a pass for things that, if you or I did it, we'd be screwed tens ways from Sunday.
What always gets my attention though is the leap to this sentiment about "typical cop behaviour" when it really, really isn't. People almost seem to go out of their way to excuse criminal behaviour just to justify their attitude about 'typical cop behaviour', that does a disservice too.
If she was not showing a weapon or immediately endangering anybody else, there was no need to shoot.
Dude She tried to drive through a barricade that was put there expressly to stop unhinged people from driving a bomb up to the white house. Then instead of stopping she took off hitting a cop. Now those are actions generally attributed to a terrorist or a crazy. The cops did exactly what they are trained to do.
And since when is the US a free country?
What doesn't seem to be getting much air time is the fact she was allowed past 1 barrier, stopped at the second (quoting CNN here) "where words were exchanged" after which she tried to leave.
Now I don't know about you and what you've heard or seen but for me, if she was allowed past one roadblock and then had words with those at the second while stopped I can only surmise she was pi ssed they stopped her and told them so at which point they probably decided to overstep their authority and arrest her for telling them to f*ck-off or the like so she took off. I would even go so far as to hazard a guess she was down there to make a point about not getting some type of benefit for her kid while the morons had govt services stopped.
Now sure that is pure speculation on my part but based on what FACTS I have heard it is just as good a theory as any other.
Not since Dec 23/1913! Why that date? Because of this....
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My guess is that this was just a case of vigilantism and she was on her way to buy skittles when was gunned down unprovoked by a racist police force and where was George Zimmerman in all this anyway. Good grief, let's wait for some more facts shall we.
Some actual news details are coming forward. First this is a zoned of zero tolerance.
The woman was not armed, however if there is a breach here there is a shoot to kill
policy. In addition these folks are on the job even though they are not being paid as
the idiots in Congress shut the place down.
It will take a while to sort this out however it should be pointed out if they didn't do
anything, and this woman was armed what would be the result? The current
Republican Majority in Congress has created tensions and one thing in on notice
the security efforts are as strong today as the day before. I just hope they sort it
out based on facts not emotions or public opinion.
The woman was not armed, however if there is a breach here there is a shoot to kill
policy. In addition these folks are on the job even though they are not being paid as
the idiots in Congress shut the place down.
It will take a while to sort this out however it should be pointed out if they didn't do
anything, and this woman was armed what would be the result? The current
Republican Majority in Congress has created tensions and one thing in on notice
the security efforts are as strong today as the day before. I just hope they sort it
out based on facts not emotions or public opinion.