Shooting in Downtown Toronto......Happy Boxing Day!

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name was Jane Creba and she had a lot of friends, a good average in school and a very bright future ahead of her.

All of it was shattered in one terrifyingly blinding moment of senseless violence Monday, after a shooting at Yonge and Gould wounded six people and left the pretty blonde teenager with the big smile struggling for life. She died at the scene, the 52nd victim of Toronto's terrifying year of the gun.

Creba was a gifted Grade 10 student and athlete who attended Riverdale C.I. She lived in the Danforth and Coxwell area of the city and was well loved by her peers.

Her final outing was the same one hundreds of thousands of other G.T.A. residents made on Boxing Day - going shopping with her sister and her mother for bargains in stores along the Yonge St. strip.

That’s when a volley of shots rang out that cops believe came from dueling gangs who didn’t care about the innocent bystanders.

Since the thinkable became reality for her friends, they’ve been flocking to the makeshift memorial that’s quickly grown at the scene of the murder.

“It's disgusting,” relates friend Brittany Jeffrey, tears streaming down her cheeks. “I don't even know why this would happen. Why her, you know? She didn't deserve this at all. Like she was just walking out of a store. She was just shopping after Christmas.”

She also realizes what has shaken so many others – it could have been anyone in the wrong place at the wrong time. “I was here a couple hours earlier that same day,” Jeffrey shudders. “I was in the exact same spot and like nothing had happened.”

Jeffrey will never forget the joy Jane brought to all who knew her. “She was like a goofy little kid, you know?” she remembers. “It was like she was really funny. She was really sweet.”

But it was Dania Weinstein who may have spoken not only for her lost pal but also for the entire city.

“There's no reason whatsoever why it happened,” she cries. “And it's just so unjust.”

It’s going to be a difficult return to school for those who knew the young teen well. Classes don’t resume until Monday January 9th and until then, they continue to cope on their own, facing a truth no one their age should ever have to know.

Meanwhile, Jane’s family has released a statement on their incalculable loss. It remembers the teenager as a best friend to her sister and a protector of her younger brother. And it calls her a loving and caring soul with a cheerful open heart.

As her relatives search for closure and justice, so do police. The two men arrested at the Castle Frank Subway station Monday night have not been officially linked to the shooting. But detectives are continuing the hunt for as many as 10-15 suspects, after the holiday melee drew blood and headlines across the world.

And they promise they won’t give up until they find them.
 

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These problems can be addressed by making all people responsible for their actions and also for their inaction.

A witness to a crime who does not come forward and thereby allows someone to get away with a crime is as guilty of a crime as the person who commited the crime.

People must take the law in to their hands. The law belongs to everyone and everyone should be responsible to enforce it when they are capable.

Being a rat, a stool pigeon, a whitleblower, etc., are all good and positive activities that need to be rewarded and encouraged by society.

Our Governments must be the ones that set up systems to encourage behaviour.

Mayor David Miller, rather than waste Tens of Millions of dollars chasing guns, or hundreds of millions looking for solutions, should simply use that kind of money as reward money for information leading to the capture of criminals of all kinds including the white collar criminals in his own administration.
 

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On the contrary... People who commit crimes of any kind should be made paranoid of everyone around them including their own children and spouse.

They should be the ones not sleeping at night, thinking that their own family might cash in on a couple of hundred thousand dollars or more in reward money by blowing the whistle on something they did.
 

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iamcanadian said:
On the contrary... People who commit crimes of any kind should be made paranoid of everyone around them including their own children and spouse.

They should be the ones not sleeping at night, thinking that their own family might cash in on a couple of hundred thousand dollars or more in reward money by blowing the whistle on something they did.

people who commit crimes are already suspicious /paranoid of everyone around them.

that is their basic survival mechanism.

What you suggest makes no logical sense. Sorry.
 

Ocean Breeze

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iamcanadian said:
Offering rewards does not make sense to you?

People who have information and come forward are taking a personal risk. People rarely take personal risks without some incentive to do it.

not sure it works all that effectively. One does not hear about many arrests coming from "informers"...

that one is up for grabs. Revenge can be served cold...
 

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the caracal kid said:
but to apply your approach nascar:

Roosevelt referred to america as having 4 freedoms:
freedom of speach
freedom of worship
freedom from want
freedom from fear

now, the freedom from fear includes the freedom from the fear of being shot. to that extent your "right" to bear arms extends only so far as it does not inhibit the next person's right to live without fear. we can see then that bearing arms is a privilage. A privilage you are granted if you play by the rules set forth by the government.

ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!

You are talking about the Constitution of the United States whch reads, in part"......the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed"

That's pretty damn clear to anyone who can read.
 

the caracal kid

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well then colpy, explain all the handling laws?

hmmm... it is pretty clear you are free to bear your arms only so long as you are allowed by the gov, where and how the gov says you may. notice none of those little details are listed?
 

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Colpy said:
the caracal kid said:
but to apply your approach nascar:

Roosevelt referred to america as having 4 freedoms:
freedom of speach
freedom of worship
freedom from want
freedom from fear

now, the freedom from fear includes the freedom from the fear of being shot. to that extent your "right" to bear arms extends only so far as it does not inhibit the next person's right to live without fear. we can see then that bearing arms is a privilage. A privilage you are granted if you play by the rules set forth by the government.

ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!

You are talking about the Constitution of the United States whch reads, in part"......the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed"

That's pretty damn clear to anyone who can read.

easy colpy....... no need to get upset. as we know YOU Have GUNS........and know what you have done with them. :wink: (hint: ceilings :wink:
 

Ocean Breeze

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Summer said:
Hey, did anyone at the house even put up a Christmas tree???

I think there was a major dispute about it. (given the varied backgrounds........and a few had temper tantrums...so the tree Idea was trashed. ( I just made this up;;-)


but it might be an idea to do something for New Years. Like a smashing fun party. Whatcha think. We can bump up the house and take a run at it.. :)

(and NO colpy, you cannot bring your guns......no matter how pretty they are. :wink:
 

Summer

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RE: Shooting in Downtown

Let's do that. And we can always give Colpy a SuperSoaker filled with champagne to keep him busy... I doubt he can do much damage with just some bubbly.

(Hoping I don't wind up eating my words.....)

;-)
 

Colpy

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the caracal kid said:
now you are getting to the true nature of america: the freedom to dominate, rob, exploit, and to advance and protect privilage.

the real reason for "right to bear arms".

and back on topic, exactly why we need to build a nation of inclusiveness and equality in order to end the violence that stems from being denied, suppressed, and used.

This is the smelliest pile of leftist pap posted here in quite some time.

People seem to forget that the United States, throughout most of its history, has been isolationist, hardly trying to dominate the world. Indeed, the United States had the opportunity to dominate the world after WW II, as it had nukes, and no one else did. The Americans passed.

The reason for the right to keep and bear arms is the exact opposite of that you state; it is a bulwark against tyranny.

These kids in Toronto are hardly "denied, suppressed, and used". They are too damn busy denying, oppressing, and using others through their gangs and drug dealing, that is when they aren't killing them.

I have an almost Swiftian idea:
It seems there may have been as many as 15 youths involved in this shooting. Several handguns were used, and A LOT of shots fired. None of those hit were the intended victims. Let's give the little bastards shooting lessons. Once they become competent with their arms, they will reduce the problem all by themselves.

Obviously, I am not serious. But let us put the blame for this exactly where it belongs: on those that pull the trigger, and on nobody else.
 

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Summer said:
Let's do that. And we can always give Colpy a SuperSoaker filled with champagne to keep him busy... I doubt he can do much damage with just some bubbly.

(Hoping I don't wind up eating my words.....)

;-)

That's funny.

One time almost thirty years ago, I got bagged with a friend a few days before Christmas. He produced a kid's dart gun, and we proceeded to shoot all the (very fragile) bulbs off the tree. Lots of fun until my wife got home. :)

OOps!

She was not amused. :evil:
 

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Let's give the little bastards shooting lessons.

nope. Lets assign them to Emergency units of hospitals so they can help with each gun shot injury that comes in. They have to see this for themselves and from the other side of the equation. Yes, as in assist in caring for these wounds. They might learn a LOT in this experience.

shooting is easy.....compared to this.

the other recomendation is this: EAch one of the perps in this situation should be made to go to the morgue and see the autopsy of their victim. Gruesome??? You bet. I have heard of a program like this.......and did it ever have an impact on those brats. Nothing like some basic aversion therapy.
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
Let's give the little bastards shooting lessons.

nope. Lets assign them to Emergency units of hospitals so they can help with each gun shot would that comes in. They have to see this for themselves and from the other side of the equation.

shooting is easy.....compared to this.

Actually, that is not a bad idea.
 

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you are a true defender of the faith, colpy.

the US isolationist tendencies do nothing to counter the historical evidence of what i posted.

america, and the rest of the west, creates its own problems. the gangs of toronto did not pop out of thin air but are a product of society. society itself must recognize its own failings. Of course, we could always go for "everybody for themselves" and forget social consciousness. You seem to prefer that route, and so do the gangs.
 

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Colpy said:
Ocean Breeze said:
Let's give the little bastards shooting lessons.

nope. Lets assign them to Emergency units of hospitals so they can help with each gun shot would that comes in. They have to see this for themselves and from the other side of the equation.

shooting is easy.....compared to this.

Actually, that is not a bad idea.

see what I added to that about the morgue experience.
 

iamcanadian

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Offering rewards does not make sense to you?

People who have information and come forward are taking a personal risk. People rarely take personal risks without some incentive to do it.