Shoe thrown at Bush (great legacy)

[talloola]

Yes T, the way he dealt with the second shoe was remarkable. It was a like a 100mph pitch and he didn't even blink.

That's because the switch that turns his brain on, is broken, was broken
when new, has never worked, they should have taken him back for a
replacement, when he was new.

 

[MissAnnika]

omg i saw that on the tv the other night i had a couple laughs at it. too bad he had to duck tho

 

[JLM]

WHAT IS THIS? Pick on Jarge day?

 

[Praxius]

There is no such thing. A journalist's job is to sell print. The only way to do that is to be controversial. It is rather like advertising, truth is not the primary objective.

I am not sure what part of the country you live in or what media you are watching, but reporters get in a heap of sh*t if they actually lie. Sure they may sway the bias to one side, or they may omit some information, but they can find themselves in some deep sh*t if they're found that they have outright lied.

Or at least they should, and then be jailed for life..... that'll learn em.

This IS a war the US started....and a war it has lost, despite the loss of innocent life throughout Iraq.
What is more cowardly, dropping 500 ton bombs on villages killing countless civillians or the `enemy` strapping ones-self with explosives and taking out a few American terrorists? Oh right, the term `terrorist` from the West`s point of view only seems to relate to those rag-heads a world away.

Personally, I, and I believe the rest of the civilized world, would celebrate the death of this US president....and if it meant a few more innocent lives in the process, t`would be well worth it.

Yeah ok there Bush, talk about stooping to the same mentality. Do you also operate in US Air Strikes on the side when they request that kind of perspective? I mean, there's a bad guy holding up in that village surrounded by 50 or so civilians..... you got a clear shot minus the 50 or so civilians, but we can just call them Taliban..... Boom..... oh wait, that was the wrong guy. Well send some troops in there to plant some weapons just to cover our ass.

If you don't mind a few innocent lives being lost just to get to that simpleton, Bush, then by all means, put your money where your mouth is, step up to the plate and lead by example.

You just bitch out the western civilization in their regards to a few "Rag Heads" half a world away, and then suggest it's perfectly fine for more of them to suffer and die just so you can feel happy about yourself that that jerk Bush is dead.

Sure I'd like to see him vanish after facing legal justice all over his ass for what he has done, but you and I are two totally different people on two different pages when it comes to that end scenario.

As for him wanting to kill himself with the US President, I would hope he`d be smart enough to cancel his appointment covering the conference, once the `tarr`ist` were notified of his where abouts.

No matter what, he'd be a target. Obviously they'll want to know who was behind the attack and how it occured, find that his name was on the list, but his body wasn't there, and they then go look for him and probably end up interrogating him even worse then they are now. Then he eventually gives up the goods sent into a hole to rot for a few decades, then release him somewhere randomly in the world for him to somehow learn how to live again...... then after about 6 years of trying to get back on his feet, the remaining guys who didn't get caught in the terrorist group come looking for him for betraying them......

..... and then the fun really begins.

**** the US and what it thinks.

It`s a ****ing bully nation and what sprouts from the seeds it`s sewn over the last half century, it must face. As ignorant as it`s populace might be, I`m sure thier not stupid enough to start a 3rd world war over the death of this corrupt, border-line retard and his handfull of minions.

They've done much more over less before...... and the whole concept of WWIII has always been a factor in just about all the decisions up to date. It's already been predetermined and it's more or less following right on track.

The next question that would be asked would be "Why?"

 

[Praxius]

Yes T, the way he dealt with the second shoe was remarkable. It was a like a 100mph pitch and he didn't even blink.

Well the s. service probably trained him on how to duck bullets and bombs, I'm sure he saw the shoes and through "Are you kidding me? How am I supposed to die that way?"

Which would explain why he seemed a bit confused afterwards (and during)

 

[Praxius]

WHAT IS THIS? Pick on Jarge day?

It's been pick on Jarge Decade, where've you been?

 

[JLM]

It's been pick on Jarge Decade, where've you been?

Well, I know that but there have been times before when he deserved some of it. This latest incident is nothing more than a classless act of ignorance by the abuser.........actions like that just detract from any credibility the guy may have had.

 

[Praxius]

Related Update:

Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'

The brother of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has said that the reporter has been beaten in custody.


Muntadar al-Zaidi has suffered a broken hand, broken ribs and internal bleeding, as well as an eye injury, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC.

Mr Zaidi threw his shoes at Mr Bush at a news conference, calling him "a dog".

The head of Iraq's journalists' union told the BBC that officials told him Mr Zaidi was being treated well.

The union head, Mouyyad al-Lami, said he hoped to visit his colleague later.

An Iraqi official said Mr Zaidi had been handed over to the judicial authorities, according to the AFP news agency.

Earlier, Dargham al-Zaidi told the BBC's Caroline Wyatt in Baghdad he believed his brother had been taken to a US military hospital in the Iraqi capital.

A second day of rallies in support of Mr Zaidi have been held across Iraq, calling for his release.

Meanwhile, offers to buy the shoes are being made around the Arab world, reports say.

Hero figure
Mr Zaidi told our correspondent that despite offers from many lawyers his brother has not been given access to a legal representative since being arrested by forces under the command of Mowaffaq al-Rubaie, Iraq's national security adviser.

The Iraqi authorities have said the 28-year-old will be prosecuted under Iraqi law, although it is not yet clear what the charges might be.


Iraqi lawyers have speculated that he could face charges of insulting a foreign leader and the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri Maliki, who was standing next to President Bush during the incident. The offence carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail.

Our correspondent says that the previously little-known journalist from the private Cairo-based al-Baghdadia TV has become a hero to many, not just in Iraq but across the Arab world, for what many saw as a fitting send-off for a deeply unpopular US president.

As he flung the shoes, Mr Zaidi shouted: "This is a goodbye kiss from the Iraqi people, dog."

Dargham al-Zaidi told the BBC that his brother deliberately bought Iraqi-made shoes, which were dark brown with laces. They were bought from a shop on al-Khyam street, a well-known shopping street in central Baghdad.

However, not everyone in Iraq has been supportive of the journalist's action.

Speaking earlier in Baghdad, Mouyyad al-Lami described Mr Zaidi's action as "strange and unprofessional", but urged Mr Maliki to show compassion.

"Even if he has made a mistake, the government and the judiciary are broad-minded and we hope they consider his release because he has a family and he is still young," he told the Associated Press news agency.

"We hope this case ends before going to court."

Abducted by insurgents

The shoes themselves are said to have attracted bids from around the Arab world.
According to unconfirmed newspaper reports, the former coach of the Iraqi national football team, Adnan Hamad, has offered $100,000 (£65,000) for the shoes, while a Saudi citizen has apparently offered $10m (£6.5m).

The daughter of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, Aicha, said her charity would honour the reporter with a medal of courage, saying his action was a "victory for human rights".


The charity called on the media to support Mr Zaidi and put pressure on the Iraqi government to free him.

Mr Zaidi, who lives in Baghdad, has worked for al-Baghdadia for three years.

Muzhir al-Khafaji, programming director for the channel, described him as a "proud Arab and an open-minded man".

He said that Mr Zaidi was a graduate of communications from Baghdad University.

"He has no ties with the former regime. His family was arrested under Saddam's regime," he said.

Mr Zaidi has previously been abducted by insurgents and held twice for questioning by US forces in Iraq.

In November 2007 he was kidnapped by a gang on his way to work in central Baghdad and released three days later without a ransom.

He said at the time that the kidnappers had beaten him until he lost consciousness, and used his necktie to blindfold him.
Mr Zaidi never learned the identity of his kidnappers, who questioned him about his work before letting him go.

Well if the claims are true that he has been beaten, that wouldn't really suprise me.

And if he was, do any of you think it was justified to beat him like that for doing what he did?

 

[talloola]

Related Update:

Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'



Well if the claims are true that he has been beaten, that wouldn't really suprise me.

And if he was, do any of you think it was justified to beat him like that for doing what he did?

No I don't think it was justified, but I am not an iraqi, under iraqi law, and
it is common for them to be beaten, and to beat each other, so they do what
they do, and we do what we do, (which isn't enough).

 

[Praxius]

Realted News:

The son of a friend of Iraqi journalist Muntadhar al-Zeidi holds a pair of his shoes at his apartment in Baghdad, Iraq, on Monday. On Sunday, al-Zeidi threw his shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush during a press conference in Baghdad, yelling in Arabic, ‘This is a farewell kiss, you dog, this is from the widows, the orphans and those who were killed in Iraq.’

Family: Shoe tosser hated U.S., Iranian influence

Family: Shoe tosser hated U.S., Iranian influence - Nova Scotia News - TheChronicleHerald.ca

BAGHDAD — The Iraqi TV reporter who hurled his shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush was kidnapped once by militants and, separately, detained briefly by the U.S. military — a story of getting hit from all sides that is bitterly familiar to many Iraqis.

Over time, Muntadhar al-Zeidi, a 28-year-old unmarried Shiite, came to hate both the U.S. military occupation and Iran’s interference in Iraq, his family told The Associated Press on Monday.

Al-Zeidi’s act of defiance Sunday transformed an obscure reporter from a minor TV station into a national hero to many Iraqis fed up with the nearly six-year U.S. presence here, but also fearful that their country will fall under Iran’s influence once the Americans leave. Bush was not hit or injured.

A day after the attack, al-Zeidi’s three brothers and one sister gathered in al-Zeidi’s simple, one-bedroom apartment in west Baghdad. The home was decorated with a poster of revolutionary icon Che Guevara, who is widely lionized in the Middle East.

Family members expressed bewilderment over al-Zeidi’s action and concern about his treatment in Iraqi custody. But they also expressed pride over his defiance of an American president who many Iraqis believe has destroyed their country.

"I swear to Allah, he is a hero," said his sister, who goes by the nickname Umm Firas, as she watched a replay of her brother’s attack on an Arabic satellite station. "May Allah protect him."

The family insisted that al-Zeidi’s action was spontaneous — perhaps motivated by the political turmoil that their brother had reported on, plus his personal brushes with violence and the threat of death that millions of Iraqis face daily.

Al-Zeidi joined Al-Baghdadia television in September 2005 after graduating from Baghdad University with a degree in communications. Two years later, he was seized by gunmen while on an assignment in a Sunni district of north Baghdad.

He was freed unharmed three days later after Iraqi television stations broadcast appeals for his release. At the time, al-Zeidi told reporters he did not know who kidnapped him or why, but his family blamed al-Qaida and said no ransom was paid.

In January he was taken again, this time arrested by American soldiers who searched his apartment building, his brother, Dhirgham, said. He was released the next day with an apology, the brother said.

Those experiences helped mould a deep resentment of both the U.S. military’s presence here and Iran’s pervasive influence over Iraq’s cleric-dominated Shiite community, according to his family.

"He hates the American material occupation as much as he hates the Iranian moral occupation," Dhirgham said, alluding to the influence of pro-Iranian Shiite clerics in political and social life. "As for Iran, he considers the regime to be the other side of the American coin."

 

[EagleSmack]

Related Update:

Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'



Well if the claims are true that he has been beaten, that wouldn't really suprise me.

And if he was, do any of you think it was justified to beat him like that for doing what he did?

Well he wanted to assault Bush physically by throwing his shoes. He wasn't throwing flip flops. Fair is fair...

 

[mabudon]

Ahh the funniest thing about this incident is the unvarnished arrogance from many Usonians- I have seen several people claim the guy "deserves" anything from beating to death for missing Dubya with a shoe- I suppose that is what the Usonian loudmouths would call "measured" or perhaps "proportional response"

If the guy deserves ANY punishment, why not just force him to live in occupied Iraq- oh wait, he already does!!

SO much ignorant, violent hatred coming from the right-wingers over this

 

[Kreskin]

This guy was a reporter (possibly biased ). How would the world respond if everytime some two-bit dicator came to the UN the US press pelted him with eggs?

 

[Praxius]

This guy was a reporter (possibly biased ). How would the world respond if everytime some two-bit dicator came to the UN the US press pelted him with eggs?

Well they'd be justified if that dictator destroyed the lives of those living in the US and commited the same acts of inhumanity as the US is doing in Iraq now.

There's a bit of a difference between the two situations..... those in the US have nobody else to bitch to except themselves for the mess they are currently in..... when it comes to those living in Iraq, I think the response this guy gave after everything he and everybody else has been put through, and having to sit right in front of the smug lil bastard who did it to you and your country, was healthy human emotion being expressed and all things considered, he conducted himself quite well.

It could have been worse.

But don't forget, this is Iraq/Iraqis we're talking about here..... people who just been introduced into a so-called "Democratic" government and way of life...... I am not about to start expecting them to meet my standards that I put myself to each day in our lives, since their lives are nowhere near our's, and they are dealing with a lot more problems then we are..... so it's not suprising that emotions would be flying high, be that by an average citizen of Iraq or by the professionals working there from Iraq.

Every single one of them has been affected by all of this that has been brought apon them and most of them are trying to keep their mouths shut as best they can in hopes that the US will eventually leave their country..... but it is not suprising some will eventually lash out..... it's human.

 

[JBeee]

Maybe because he's not really a terrorist perhaps?

If they blew up that building with everyone in it (Being in the Green Zone it'd be pretty difficult as it is) and the US president in it of all things, would probably result in an even worse situation for the people of iraq.

Sure everyone would be pleased around the world that he died in exactly what he created, people in the US would simply see it another way..... they can't pin 9/11 on Iraq, but they sure as hell could pin this on Iraq....... and I would imagine a whole sh*t storm would come hailing down apon Iraq.

Then the "holy land" being attacked would result in the other arab nations deciding to open a can of whoop-ass all over the place because of this, the world divides, WWIII ensues.....

Game over man.

That and the guy apparently has love for his country and hates what has been going on around his home, do you seriously think he'd want to go and kill himself, along with every other innocent person in that building just to get Bush?

I mean, sure I like a good shoe tossing at a US president as much as the next guy..... but you gotta have principles or you're no better then those scumbags who send drugged up children into markets to blow themselves up.

There is one extreme and then the other...... but there are always those in between who have some brains still left, even though they've lost more then what some US president Bush could ever understand in his brain of his.

Regardless.....another opportunity to kill President Bush has come and gone.

Another place and time perhaps?:smile:

 

[Scott Free]

 

[Praxius]

Related Update:

Iraqis argue over fate of shoe-throwing reporter
CTV.ca | Iraqi official says he's quitting over shoe-tosser

BAGHDAD -- Iraq's parliament speaker announced his resignation Wednesday after a parliamentary session descended into chaos as legislators argued about whether to free a journalist who threw his shoes at President George W. Bush.

The speaker, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, has threatened to resign before and has been suspended for embarrassing the prime minister with erratic behaviour.

On Wednesday, after arguments erupted among legislators over the fate of the journalist Muntadhar al-Zeidi, the speaker said: "I have no honour leading this parliament and I announce my resignation."

Al-Zeidi's family went to the Central Criminal Court expecting to attend a court hearing for him, said his brother, Dhargham. He added they were told the investigative judge went to see him in jail and that they should return in eight days.

"That means my brother was severely beaten and they fear that his appearance could trigger anger at the court," he added.

Iraqi officials and another brother have denied that the journalist suffered severe injuries after he was wrestled to the floor after throwing the shoes at Bush during a new conference by the U.S. president on Sunday.

The reporter shouted in Arabic: "This is your farewell kiss, you dog!"

In Iraqi culture, throwing shoes at someone is a sign of deep contempt, and his actions have drawn huge demonstrations of support among many in Iraq and throughout the Arab world.

In parliament, legislators had gathered to review a resolution calling for all non-U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq by the end of June but those loyal to anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr interrupted the session.

They said parliament should focus on al-Zeidi's case rather than the proposed legislation. The argument escalated with legislators screaming at each other, and finally leading al-Mashhadani to announce his resignation, said Wisam al-Zubaidi, an adviser to Khalid al-Attiyah, parliament's deputy speaker.

An official in the speaker's office said he was unsure about the seriousness of al-Mashhadani's announcement, but said it may have been made because he was nervous.

Al-Zeidi reportedly spoke glowingly of al-Sadr, whose followers organized protests Monday to demand his release.

Al-Zeidi was held for allegedly insulting a foreign leader, a charge that carries a maximum of two years in prison.

Under the Iraqi legal system, the case is given to a judge who investigates the allegation, weighs the evidence and recommends whether to order a trial.

The process can take months, and it is normal for initial hearings to be conducted informally rather than in a formalized setting common in U.S. and British courts.

Thousands have taken to the streets in the days since al-Zeidi's arrest, heralding his actions and calling for his release.

About 1,500 demonstrators took to the streets Wednesday in the Baghdad Sunni neighbourhood of Azamiyah to demand his release. Al-Zeidi was kidnapped in the same neighborhood last year and was freed unharmed a few days later.

"This is a natural reaction to the American acts of tyranny and occupation in Iraq," said demonstrator Khalil al-Obeidi a resident of Azamiyah said.

Shiite legislator Bahaa al-Araji said he expected al-Zeidi, who's in his late 20s, to be released on bail in the next few days while the investigative judge considers the case.

 

[Blackleaf]

The irony is that this person who threw shoes at Bush in protest over the Iraq War would have been tortured and then executed if he had thrown shoes at Saddam. But, thanks to the Iraq War, that fate will not befall him.

 

[Praxius]

Related Update:

Iraq MPs rage over shoe thrower
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq MPs rage over shoe thrower

There have been scenes of uproar in the Iraqi parliament as MPs discussed whether to free a journalist who threw his shoes at the US president.


The scenes forced the speaker to suspend parliament until Thursday.

They came as two of the journalist's brothers said he had appeared before a judge but not in public.

Muntadar al-Zaidi had been expected to attend a court hearing, but officials told his family that the judge had visited him in his prison cell.

His brother Dargham, quoted by the Associated Press, alleged that he must have been severely beaten and officials feared his appearance could trigger public anger.

Another brother, Uday, said Mr Zaidi was being hidden away somewhere inside the heavily fortified Green Zone.

"We waited until 10 in the morning but Muntadar did not show up," he told al-Jazeera TV.

"Upon inquiring as to his whereabouts, we were told that the interrogating judge had gone to see him, something that contradicts the measures followed in all international laws in general."

Debate call
Uday Zaidi urged Iraqis to continue street protests as his brother's whereabouts were still unknown.


They spilled over into the Iraqi parliament, where MPs gathered on Wednesday to discuss the withdrawal of all non-US troops from the country by June next year.

A group loyal to radical Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr interrupted the session, AP said, demanding a debate on the fate of Mr Zaidi.

Iraqi officials have denied that he was severely beaten after the incident at a Baghdad news conference, during which he hurled shoes at US President George W Bush.

"This is a goodbye kiss from the Iraqi people, dog," yelled Mr Zaidi as he threw the shoes.

Mr Zaidi has been remanded in custody while the judge investigates the case as part of complicated legal proceedings that could take months before a possible trial.

Thousands of Iraqis have held demonstrations calling for his release in the days since his arrest.
White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said on Tuesday that Mr Bush had no hard feelings about the incident.

Of course not, because he probably had some of his goons beat the sh*t out of him by the sounds of things.

 

[Just the Facts]

If the guy deserves ANY punishment, why not just force him to live in occupied Iraq- oh wait, he already does!!

Well, apparently the guy is a Shia, so if you REALLY wanted to punish him, why not force him to live in Saddam's Iraq - O wait......