Sex selection abortions

[gerryh]

I don't sit on the fence at all. I am against abortion except in medical necessity for the health of the mother but I do not presume to make my opinion on the subject legally binding on any other person. Pro-lifers make that presumption and it is morally and ethically wrong and improper.

Thats sitting on the fence. Being a coward. Not having the cajones to stand up.

and what is ethically and morally wrong with objecting to the killing of another human life?

 

[petros]

I don't sit on the fence at all. I am against abortion except in medical necessity for the health of the mother but I do not presume to make my opinion on the subject legally binding on any other person. Pro-lifers make that presumption and it is morally and ethically wrong and improper.

7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

Constitution Acts, 1867 to 1982

Where is the moral and ethical presumption in that?

 

[PoliticalNick]

The anti-abortionists speak for the baby's. The hell with those that are pregnant, they had their choice already and chose to take the chance on getting pregnant. The baby isn't given any choice at all.

It is not an actual human being until it can breath & survive on it's own. Until then it is a parasitic lifeform leeching off the host.

Most anti-abortionists speak only from religious viewpoints and once again, imposing your religious views upon the entire population is morally and ethically wrong. It doesn't matter how you slice it it equates to a theocratic law in a democratic, free society. You are free to not choose abortion and free to counsel against it but others are free to ignore you and choose their own path.

 

[petros]

It is not an actual human being until it can breath & survive on it's own. Until then it is a parasitic lifeform leeching off the host.

Most anti-abortionists speak only from religious viewpoints and once again, imposing your religious views upon the entire population is morally and ethically wrong. It doesn't matter how you slice it it equates to a theocratic law in a democratic, free society. You are free to not choose abortion and free to counsel against it but others are free to ignore you and choose their own path.

It's not 100% human? It's just goo without any DNA?

 

[JLM]

It is not an actual human being until it can breath & survive on it's own. Until then it is a parasitic lifeform leeching off the host.

Most anti-abortionists speak only from religious viewpoints and once again, imposing your religious views upon the entire population is morally and ethically wrong. It doesn't matter how you slice it it equates to a theocratic law in a democratic, free society. You are free to not choose abortion and free to counsel against it but others are free to ignore you and choose their own path.

"Surviving on it's own", what does that mean? I'm not so sure that anyone can survive on their own. I don't think I can!

 

[gerryh]

It is not an actual human being until it can breath & survive on it's own. Until then it is a parasitic lifeform leeching off the host.

:roll:

 

[PoliticalNick]

It's not 100% human? It's just goo without any DNA?

There is DNA in every living thing from cabbages to cows, Having DNA does not make something human.

 

[petros]

There is DNA in every living thing from cabbages to cows, Having DNA does not make something human.

Human sperm and human egg make little human zygotes with human DNA from human mother and human father the instant the egg is fertilized. It's 100% human.

 

[PoliticalNick]

I had avoided this thread for a long time because it is obviously a useless, insane thing to argue this subject. I will not change any pro-lifer's opinion and no pro-lifer will change mine. The great thing in a free society is we can each follow our own path based upon our own opinions.

 

[gerryh]

"Surviving on it's own", what does that mean? I'm not so sure that anyone can survive on their own. I don't think I can!

Way way back.... there was a time when a baby was not named nor was it considered "human" until it's first birthday. 50, 60 years ago, baby's born before 30th week gestation invariably died. Now, we have viability as young as 22 weeks gestation. Yet, nothing has changed, physiologically, since the dawn of time.

 

[petros]

I had avoided this thread for a long time because it is obviously a useless, insane thing to argue this subject. I will not change any pro-lifer's opinion and no pro-lifer will change mine. The great thing in a free society is we can each follow our own path based upon our own opinions.

I still haven't gotten an answer to this question from anyone, do you know the answer?

What is the legal definition of a Person and what is the legal definition of a human?

 

[JLM]

I had avoided this thread for a long time because it is obviously a useless, insane thing to argue this subject. I will not change any pro-lifer's opinion and no pro-lifer will change mine. The great thing in a free society is we can each follow our own path based upon our own opinions.

That's my feeling. It all depends on what is most important to you the fetus or the host. Or maybe I should say the life of the fetus or the convenience of the host.

 

[petros]

That's my feeling. It all depends on what is most important to you the fetus or the host. Or maybe I should say the life of the fetus or the convenience of the host.

Life is life.

 

[gerryh]

That's my feeling. It all depends on what is most important to you the fetus or the host. Or maybe I should say the life of the fetus or the convenience of the host.

and there it is.

Life is life.

to some, some lives are more important than others.

 

[JLM]

Way way back.... there was a time when a baby was not named nor was it considered "human" until it's first birthday. 50, 60 years ago, baby's born before 30th week gestation invariably died. Now, we have viability as young as 22 weeks gestation. Yet, nothing has changed, physiologically, since the dawn of time.

Well, 68 years ago my sister, alive and healthy was born at about 30 weeks!

 

[gerryh]

Well, 68 years ago my sister, alive and healthy was born at about 30 weeks!

reread what I wrote.

 

[petros]

to some, some lives are more important than others.

Killing a human whether 2 secs old or 22 years is still killing human life. I can't tolerate the killing of humans for any reason. Even if it were to save my own life, I'd still feel like **** for the rest of my days.

 

[JLM]

reread what I wrote.

You said "before" and I said "about"- she was 3 lbs. 15 oz. and spent two months in the incubator. Just a little history, Gerry, wasn't being contentious!

Killing a human whether 2 secs old or 22 years is still killing human life. I can't tolerate the killing of humans for any reason. Even if it were to save my own life, I'd still feel like **** for the rest of my days.

I'm not quite as tolerant as you, Petros, try f**king around with one of my grandkids! -

 

[petros]

I'm not quite as tolerant as you, Petros, try f**king around with one of my grandkids! -

I wouldn't kill, I'd mame for life n very ugly ways to remind the person of what they did and who they did it to. Killing only gives them an easy out from a miserable existance. I could handle doing 6 months ankle bracelet for aggrevated assualt for it being my first offence but not 5 years for manslaughter.

 

[JLM]

I wouldn't kill, I'd mame for life n very ugly ways to remind the person of what they did and who they did it to. Killing only gives them an easy out from a miserable existance. I could handle doing 6 months ankle bracelet for aggrevated assualt for it being my first offence but not 5 years for manslaughter.

Sounds like a more sensible alternative.-