Several dead, many wounded in bus attack in Israel
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Someday it'll be sane enough where a Christian guy like me can eat his ham sandwich and piss on the Red Army monument after getting liquored up at an Irish Catholic pub and spend the night in the Jerusalem drunk tank like a civilized country.
Regarding Goober's "demand" I answer his question about Hamas's intentions.
I'm not a mind reader. I judge people by what they say and do. Hamas has repeatedly offered Israel long term truces. Israel has repeatedly assassinated Hamas negotiators who make peace offers.
The nail in the wood: an interview with Ismail Abu Shanab | From Occupied Palestine
I do know that the Likud charter leaves no room for Palestinian statehood. The best offer they can make to Palestinians is an agreement to stop killing them in return for allowing international humanitarian groups to bring a minimal amount of aid past the walls and guard towers. If Palestinians agree to stop complaining about their horrible conditions and the rest of the world forgets about their suffering, Likud might allow some of them to live in peace.
The root cause of this conflict is ethnic cleansing. Israel has never stopped evicting people God didn't choose from their homes and seizing their property. Various Israeli leaders have claim they'll stop this crime against humanity when Palestinians finally agree to peace, but that's never happened. The rate at which Israel steals the property of non-Jews appears to be based on how closely they are watched and how loudly international organizations complain. Here is what I am getting at:
Allan Gerson: Tripping in Jerusalem: The Biden-Israel "Flap"
Israel’s Covert Policy of Ethnic Cleansing « Tikun Olam-
I'm not objective. I'm on the side of innocent civilians who just want to live in peace. I am against war criminals.
I'm not a mind reader. I judge people by what they say and do. Hamas has repeatedly offered Israel long term truces. Israel has repeatedly assassinated Hamas negotiators who make peace offers.
The nail in the wood: an interview with Ismail Abu Shanab | From Occupied Palestine
I do know that the Likud charter leaves no room for Palestinian statehood. The best offer they can make to Palestinians is an agreement to stop killing them in return for allowing international humanitarian groups to bring a minimal amount of aid past the walls and guard towers. If Palestinians agree to stop complaining about their horrible conditions and the rest of the world forgets about their suffering, Likud might allow some of them to live in peace.
The root cause of this conflict is ethnic cleansing. Israel has never stopped evicting people God didn't choose from their homes and seizing their property. Various Israeli leaders have claim they'll stop this crime against humanity when Palestinians finally agree to peace, but that's never happened. The rate at which Israel steals the property of non-Jews appears to be based on how closely they are watched and how loudly international organizations complain. Here is what I am getting at:
Allan Gerson: Tripping in Jerusalem: The Biden-Israel "Flap"
Israel’s Covert Policy of Ethnic Cleansing « Tikun Olam-
I'm not objective. I'm on the side of innocent civilians who just want to live in peace. I am against war criminals.
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No, you're on the side of "innocent" Palestinian civilians. I can not remember you ever truly condemning Hamas or the numerous other terrorist organizations when they bomb innocent Israeli citizens.
You mean like this:
Come to think of it gerryh, you've never condemned a single Israeli war crime or crime against humanity. Using your standards, I would conclude that you support every war crime and crime against humanity ever committed by Israel and I'll refuse to believe otherwise until you condemn every single one.
Lets start in 1947 and work forwards...
You spelled correct wrong.
True, you're a little girl of a unique inequality.
Feel free to dispute the message, not the messenger any time you like.
Prove they are incorrect.
Barring that, your dismissal is a weak attempt at debate.
So you don't agree?
How true that is. Which was one of my biggest complaints about you for the longest time.
It's a proven fact.
This should be funny. Since you lack any critical thought yourself.
Bullsh!t. But ironic since you spent the better part of your career here telling me I was an Israeli apologist because I didn't agree with your cut and paste propaganda.
I've never told you to pick a side, I've asked you to use reason, critical thought and commonsense.
That isn't why you get labeled as has been pointed out time and time again.
You get labeled a neo nazi hate group supporter, because right after you say Hamas shouldn't have done that. You say "BUT". Then make excuses as to why they did, and how you can empathize.
Where I differ and say, I don't like how Israel indiscriminately retaliates to rocket and mortar attacks. Full stop.
If that were true, you'd stop making excuses for just one side.
And don't forget, post propaganda, lies and myths, to further your cause.
And the litany of people that give me thumbs up for my posts.
Because I've given up trying to have a civil debate with someone who constantly dismisses fact, but believes anecdote. So long as it paints Israel in a bad light.
Likely because you're tired of having your ass handed to you.
Because you never concede to fact.
Because it's impossible to have a debate with you. You keep saying the same things over and over, no matter how many times we prove you wrong.
If I were Colpy, I'd be offended.
Israeli war crimes other than illegally using white phosphorous. Since you already proved they haven't.
Gather? He has a problem admitting he's wrong, even when he's the one that proves he's wrong...
I admit they have a bias, but there are two accusations against them. Neither have ever been proven true or false.
You just figured out you were losing? We've known for days.
Please quote their charter.
There you go with that conclusion again.
I already knew that.
Neither can I. But I do remember many examples of excuses and justifications.
Why not? That's what you've done to me.
Why? So we can watch you dodge direct questions? Dismiss historical fact? Make excuses? Justify hate? Deny Hamas has robbed Palestinians?
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I suggest people judge you by the same standard you judge me.
I was able to find one of my posts condemning Palestinian militant attacks against innocent Israeli civilians in a few minutes. You didn't even deny supporting Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity, let alone offer proof you've ever condemned a single Israeli war crime.
You weren't able to do reference a single post you made condemning an Israeli war crime in the same time frame.
Using your standards, I'd assume you have never condemned an Israeli war crime or atrocity. Based on your lack of condemnation of the post I made recently regarding the IDF's use of human shields, I'd conclude that you must support IDF soldiers abducting children and using them to search for explosives and block bullets. If I thought like you, I'd conclude you are cruel and callous.
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Yet I have to continually condemn Palestinian war crimes in order to be "objective"????
Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, ideals, thoughts, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have.
A double standard is the unjust application of different sets of principles for similar situations.
Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, ideals, thoughts, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have.
A double standard is the unjust application of different sets of principles for similar situations.
Excuse me? I've stayed fairly neutral in this one. Not condemning or supporting either side. What I have done is held the 2 resident Jew haters feet to the fire when it comes to supporting what they are posting. Abtfet being the biggest yard by making accusations without anything to support those accusations.
In the past I have had major dustups with those that support Israel and the u.s. as I do not believe that anyone should be killing anybody else for any Fu cking reason. Now, you can take your baseless accusations and stuff them up your ass along with you suck buddy abtfet.
Compile a list of posts you have made on Israel - the other list would include Palestine, West Bank, Gaza, Hamas, Hezbollah
Sort them - for or against -one or the other grouping
Then see who has made the long list and who has made the short list.
One question I asked earlier - Do you have hard proof - court of law standard - that IDF used Palestinians as Human Shields - Mine detectors etc. Never did receive an answer -Why is that -
God knows I do.
Did you clip the following excuse as to why they were attacked?
No. You have to stop using anecdote and Op/Ed to get fed facts.
I can go find a post right now, in which you went from making condolences to excuses in less then 6 sentences.
Wanna see it?
Ya, that sounds like you.
Oh boy do you fit that bill to a "T"!!!
You judge Israel by a completely different standard, than you judge Hamas or Palestinian militants.
The question again - Will Hamas sign a Peace treaty with Israel - Nice and clear - yes or no is sufficient - As I see in your post you confuse truce and treaty.
The answer is actually yes and no. Yes I believe Hamas would sign a peace deal with Israel if it suited their interests. No they would not sign a deal which does not serve their interests.
Israel's leaders would sign a peace deal as long as it suited their interests, but no I don't believe Israel's leaders would sign a deal that interferes with their ethnic cleansing activities.
IDF soldiers demoted after convicted of Gaza war misconduct - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
BBC NEWS | Middle East | IDF to appeal human shield ban
B'tselem
20 July 2006: Israeli Soldiers use civilians as Human Shields in Beit Hanun | B'Tselem
The "neighbor procedure" is a common way IDF soldiers will abduct and use Palestinians as human shields:
Breaking the Silence
Breaking the Silence › Video Testimony - A procedure with many names
Haaretz:
'IDF troops used 11-year-old boy as human shield in Gaza' - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
Here's a video of the "neighbor procedure" in action:
IDF using Palestinians as Human Shields - YouTube
Israel's leaders would sign a peace deal as long as it suited their interests, but no I don't believe Israel's leaders would sign a deal that interferes with their ethnic cleansing activities.
IDF soldiers demoted after convicted of Gaza war misconduct - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
BBC NEWS | Middle East | IDF to appeal human shield ban
B'tselem
20 July 2006: Israeli Soldiers use civilians as Human Shields in Beit Hanun | B'Tselem
The "neighbor procedure" is a common way IDF soldiers will abduct and use Palestinians as human shields:
Breaking the Silence
Breaking the Silence › Video Testimony - A procedure with many names
Haaretz:
'IDF troops used 11-year-old boy as human shield in Gaza' - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
Here's a video of the "neighbor procedure" in action:
IDF using Palestinians as Human Shields - YouTube
Just out of curiosity CB, How do you get past the Likud charter when you cite their offers of peace?
Charters can be changed....
Charters can be changed....
Just 2 soldiers - I went thru it quickly - they were punished. So the number is 2 soldiers convicted? In a court of Law. Would that be correct?
Does anyone else see only evidence of just two Israeli soldiers using Palestinian civilians as human shields? I could have sworn my post proved that this war crime has been going on for years and is not only common practice, but supported by IDF leadership based on their attempt to overturn an Israeli supreme court ruling. Also, notice the lack of outrage... I'm sure if they were Palestinian kids being forced at gunpoint to search for explosives, you'd sing a different tune.
Also a minor demotion followed by a promotion is lip service, not punishment.
Also a minor demotion followed by a promotion is lip service, not punishment.
What about your lip service in condemning hamas and then finding excuses for their actions