Sept. 11 was the day my religion was hijacked
- Thread starter gerryh
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Really all crimes are hate crimes. Most people don't commit crimes against people they love.
And people take the term too far, not unlike political correctness, and everything becomes a "hate crime".
Even though I realize all this, I still fear in my heart for some groups within society that I do truly believe are targeted just for being who they are. You know, I look back at what happened to, say, Matthew Shepard in Wyoming all those years ago and I believe to the very bottom of my heart that that boy was tortured and died because he was gay.
Hate crimes have been misused, horribly in some cases I'm sure, but I just can't dismiss them too readily.
Let's see if I got this right....
I beat up someone and as I'm doing it I call him a dirty cork soaker....
If he happens to be straight, it's a normal assault....
But if he happen to hold his bat in the other direction.....It's a hate crime?????
Yup ..me too
I've seen many a bar fight...and people as they throw punches also throw obscenities at each other...so if you happen to get lucky with one of them obscenities, you're in for a stiffer sentence.
The burden is on the Prosecution to prove that you attacked him based upon his bat swinging - Not an easy level to achieve.
The FBI is required by law. If you google "FBI hate crime 2010" for example, you should get a report. I'm not sure how long it taks though, certainly if you googled "FBI hate crime 2002" you'll gt a link to the report.
I posted a link - look at the rate for Jews and see who incurs more hate related crime /attacks - Muslims or Jews.Let me know what you see.
It's worse than that, it's bullsh*t, like the judge can read what was on the guy's mind at the time!
Is someone claiming the Jewish religion was hijacked after 9/11, or that Jews were far mongered or scape goated more because of 9/11?
What does that matter? I already admitted they aren't victimized as much. I already explained why that really doesn't matter; it's like you're legitimizing it by saying it's insignificant until it reaches some arbitrary level.
No, you are Reading the wrong message - check the stats, year after year and see what they show. That is what I suggested. No moral equivalence, no stating that one is less than the other - You are a stats guy - I will provide the link again.
Then you tell me what you see over the long term - Stats always have spikes - you know that as well as i. It could be a problem with methodology - the reporting procedures - what was or was not included as Hate - Read the link - tear it apart with that critical mind you have. That is a compliment as I do not have the skills or the abilities to interpret this data correctly. And no I do not have a preconceived opinion.
FBI — Uniform Crime Reports
Rushing to a conclusion based upon your personal opinion of the poster. Worthless.
Nothing but complete nonsense!
First of all, the author complains that the 9/11 hijackers are misrepresenting Islam but then quickly parodies the reasons why Al-Qaeda attacked. "Stationing troops in Saudi Arabia, support for Israel" as if these were wrong things.
Lacking any condemnation for the violent passages in the Quran, the author then claims that critics of Islam are "cherry picking" verses and taking them "out of context". Yet, he fails to tell us what the proper and supposedly peaceful context is!
He says we're "attempting to portray Islam as a religion of violence", even though we're not portraying Islam as a religion of violence because the "radical" followers of Islam are proving that point unilaterally!
The references to killing non-believers in the Quran proves that Mohammad wanted a PATTERN for Muslims to follow. That's why the 9/11 hijackers are not misrepresenting Islam, they are in fact true followers of their faith.
And labeling critics of Islam as "Islamophobes" implies that we're illegitimately "yelling fire in a movie theater". Guess what? You CAN "yell fire in a movie theater" if there is an actual fire - and there is!
Islamophobia is a myth. Considering the widespread persecution of Christians around the Middle East and Africa at the hands of Muslims there is far more evidence that Christianphobia is real, not Islamophobia!
ESTABLISHED: Not all Muslims are terrorists, nor do all Muslims believe in Jihad against the west or Israel.
Yet you keep trying to equate rightly deserved criticism of Islam with "Muslim bashing". If you're not going to allow us to differentiate between Islam itself and its followers, you have to be held to the same standard. Therefore your Muslim sympathizing is, by your standard, support for Islam itself.
Which begs the question, why are you supporting a religion that permits child sex, physical abuse and subjection of women, the cutting off of hands for simple theft, execution of apostates and homosexuals, and advocacy of violence against non-Muslims?
In fact, you spend more time defending a hate-filled, death-ideology than your own Christianity!
and you wondered why I had originally said no to your friend request. Stupidity and intolerance aren't high on my list of preferred traits.
Prove that please
Intelligent rebuttal - Score 00.01
Oh gerry you poor little Fuk - You slammed me for posting redacted comments from a PM. yet you come out and slam a poster publicly for denying a friend request -
Intolerance it appears is the reason - I think not - I think ignorance and some serious personal issues with yourself are the real issue.
You claim that I violated CC Policy - which I did not - but you violate common courtesy - Why would you bring a request for friend to light, perhaps you cannot rebut, perhaps you have a serious moral issue perhaps another shzt fit that you are going thru. If it is not written as policy for CC then it must be OK. Clearly maturity in making a decision is not your strong point.
You lack the basics, compassion, empathy, and accepting friends, warts and all.
You insult for the sake and I assume thrill of insulting.
What a pathetic little man you are. Utterly pathetic.
