Sept. 11 was the day my religion was hijacked
- Thread starter gerryh
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When did we start talking about acid in faces? I thought the subject was terrorism. Religion seems to be what people want to talk about as the cause but politics and greed are.
Yes, some people on the radical fringes of fundamental religious beliefs do a lot of stupid and demented stuff. What has that got to do with the violence in the middle east?
Only seems that way after you move the goal posts.
Perhaps the reason that we don't have nearly the domestic terror (like Waco or a Oklahoma) because we the West don't blame others for our woes or hold the people doing the killing up as martyrs or victims.
What would be the key to the violence in the Middle East?
How is asking questions moving goal posts?
Cliffy,
You just mentioned that adding more violence into the equation amplifies this entire scenario - Considering the hundreds of years (possible a thousand) of Eastern vs Western malaise, how far back should we go?..... In the end that sentiment applies equally to all parties, not just the Western nations.
What do you consider an acid-face-wash to be?
Perhaps looking at where they live, what they have to endure, oppression, poor, bribes are a way to get things done. The powerful are never charged with any crimes though they commit them. Many are based upon tribal allegiances – and then they are spoon fed hate for Jews and the West as the cause for all their problems.
Can’t drink, do drugs or fuk. Now tell me, how would you feel.
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Funny how facts like this get buried when a bigot hoe-down gets into swing mode....
I don't know where you get your info from, gerry. Not ALL Muslims are blamed for the attacks, at least not by people who know better. There were Muslims who died in the 9/11 attacks too, if you recall.
Ah, Cliffy ............. I think it is time you did some reading about these people on the radical fringes. Fact is that Westerners are not their only targets of hatred. They seek to subjugate anyone who does conform to their warped interpretation of the Koran.
But, who are THEY?
I doubt if your average goat-tender or camel-trader (just some stereotyped examples - nothing personal) really gives a damn about the politics of religion. It's enough comfort to him that he has faith enough to believe he's being looked out for - just like the average Johnny Canuck. It's when his goat herd is scattered and the camels lose out to faster means of transportation he begins to worry and hears what didn't really matter before.
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If Canada had a substantial attack – Am I am referring to an attack confirmed as a terror attack by Muslims as that is the topic line – by substantial – I am referring to a large causality /death count – type of attack – then we would see the same thing that occurs in many countries – attacks on the group that Canadians /Non Muslims - believe caused it – yes on innocent people – Yes some would be beaten, some killed, stores destroyed – I do not see mobs raging thru the streets looking for revenge as we have seen in many Muslim Countries. I am referring to the Danish Cartoons, the burning of the Quran. But how long it would continue is an unknown.
I would also expect to see arrests of those that the Govt considers to be a possible / probable security risk. The Govt has to be seen as taking action – Some arrest would be legitimate – other would be to protect persons that the public views as supporters of terror groups.
Police stationed at mosques and religious schools.
That is just to name a few.
Islamic fundamentalism isn't just limited to pockets of disgruntled malcontents building bombs in their caves or basements. Millions of Muslims live under Islamic fundamentalism all over the world. Islam may have been hijacked by extremists but that doesn't mean they're in a minority. Islamic terrorism (especially against the West) may be rare in bomb form but in the social and political oppression of Muslims all over the world suffer under, it's every day.
Only two of those examples were motivated by religion. Jonestown was communist and the École Polytechnique massacre was motivated by a hatred of women. Though, in a different thread I would argue that communism is practically a religion and the history of misogyny is deeply rooted in religion.
The West supported the independence of East Timor from Indonesia. Indonesia being predominantly Muslim, Osama bin Laden placed it inside his mythical Islam caliphate. The removal of East Timor was seen as a removal of Muslim lands from Muslims and thus probably bin Laden's best religious case for violent jihad. Never mind that East Timor is 98% Roman Catholic and that the Indonesian government murdered hundreds of thousands of East Timorese in their struggle for independence. Bin Laden specifically listed East Timor as his motivation for terrorist attacks.
One could argue that Muslims are justifiably upset over such things as the treatment of Palestinians, US troops in Saudi Arabia or Western support for Middle Eastern dictatorships, but that's not all that offends would-be Islamic terrorists. If you want to pacify Islamic radicals you need to be prepared to abandon some real principles.
Only two of those examples were motivated by religion. Jonestown was communist and the École Polytechnique massacre was motivated by a hatred of women. Though, in a different thread I would argue that communism is practically a religion and the history of misogyny is deeply rooted in religion.
The West supported the independence of East Timor from Indonesia. Indonesia being predominantly Muslim, Osama bin Laden placed it inside his mythical Islam caliphate. The removal of East Timor was seen as a removal of Muslim lands from Muslims and thus probably bin Laden's best religious case for violent jihad. Never mind that East Timor is 98% Roman Catholic and that the Indonesian government murdered hundreds of thousands of East Timorese in their struggle for independence. Bin Laden specifically listed East Timor as his motivation for terrorist attacks.
One could argue that Muslims are justifiably upset over such things as the treatment of Palestinians, US troops in Saudi Arabia or Western support for Middle Eastern dictatorships, but that's not all that offends would-be Islamic terrorists. If you want to pacify Islamic radicals you need to be prepared to abandon some real principles.
I'd like to see if it even spiked. I'd like to see some specifics if there are any.
The fact that remains is that this was always an issue of linguistic semantics and it will continue to be so until everyone begins to recognize the difference between the moderates and extremists of any particular religion.
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All Muslims? Really?
We do?
I know some members that make Islamic fundamentalism look bad though. From either side of the spectrum too.
Got some facts for that claim bud.
I agree, it was ignorant of EAO to be the first one to blame Muslims, then start making excuses as to why they would do it.
Wanna see the post?
That's all EAO posts.
Flawed foreign policies. Misguided fundamentalism. And a backward way of thinking.
Acid in someones face, is terrorism.
...factors. There, finished the statement for you Cliffy.
And yet it hasn't. I wonder why.
All Muslims? Really?
We do?
I know some members that make Islamic fundamentalism look bad though. From either side of the spectrum too.
Got some facts for that claim bud.
I agree, it was ignorant of EAO to be the first one to blame Muslims, then start making excuses as to why they would do it.
Wanna see the post?
That's all EAO posts.
Flawed foreign policies. Misguided fundamentalism. And a backward way of thinking.
Acid in someones face, is terrorism.
...factors. There, finished the statement for you Cliffy.
And yet it hasn't. I wonder why.
I would love to see EAO's Post and backtracking ettc.