Seeking Man's Favor: The Root of Religious Unbelief!

talloola

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I do not agree that atheism is 'rebellion against authority'.

what authority? atheism is just a choice to, 'not' believe in any
gods, there is no authority involved, there is nothing, just the
freedom to go forward in life free of that belief.
 

Cliffy

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I do not agree that atheism is 'rebellion against authority'.

what authority? atheism is just a choice to, 'not' believe in any
gods, there is no authority involved, there is nothing, just the
freedom to go forward in life free of that belief.
talloola, I should have said external authority - the authority of religions, churches, ministers and priests. I only acknowledge one authority in my life and that is me.
 

MHz

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talloola, I should have said external authority - the authority of religions, churches, ministers and priests. I only acknowledge one authority in my life and that is me.
Liar, you follow the Laws of the Canadian Judicial System, administered by them and they have authority over you in all respects. You don't have to worship them to be one of their 'subjects' that come under their rule.
 

Niflmir

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Liar, you follow the Laws of the Canadian Judicial System, administered by them and they have authority over you in all respects. You don't have to worship them to be one of their 'subjects' that come under their rule.

Nice equivocation on "subject".

Are you sure he is a law abiding citizen? Most people reject the authority of the law or at the very least never stop to think about it. Why do I not murder people? It's not the law stopping me, and if it was, I would be a twisted individual. Most people break the law in one way or another. From speeding to smoking marijuana. People do what they feel is right, law or no. History has many examples of laws that needed to be broken.

The difference with Christianity is that you reap the... rewards of following the law whether you believe in the authority of the law or not. You will not be punished regardless of what you think so long as you do not break the laws. Christianity tells me that no matter how good I am, I will be eternally punished merely for thinking god is a jerk. It is this very fact that forces me to conclude god is a made up jerk and not a supreme being.
 

MHz

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Say you did kill somebody, it is the Canadian Justice System that would have the last word on the justification of it?
"Christianity tells me that no matter how good I am, I will be eternally punished merely for thinking god is a jerk. It is this very fact that forces me to conclude god is a made up jerk and not a supreme being."
You actually got that from the Bible? I don't think so because it seem to indicate you lack the knowledge of the words in this verse.
Lu:12:10:
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

That same thought is repeated in two other places yet you seem to have more knowledge that Jesus in this one area.
 

Cliffy

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Liar, you follow the Laws of the Canadian Judicial System, administered by them and they have authority over you in all respects. You don't have to worship them to be one of their 'subjects' that come under their rule.
The only law that I recognize is the law of karma. From it I deduce that in order to be happy I treat people with the same respect I afford myself. A while back (40 years or so) I heard Bob Dylan say that it takes an honest man to live outside the law.
 

petros

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Liar, you follow the Laws of the Canadian Judicial System, administered by them and they have authority over you in all respects. You don't have to worship them to be one of their 'subjects' that come under their rule.
Since the Judicial system is based on Jewish law if one doesn't believe in a Judeo Christian faith then how can they believe that legal system? It's a faith based system. no faith, no system. I know I certainly have no faith in our legal system.
 

talloola

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talloola, I should have said external authority - the authority of religions, churches, ministers and priests. I only acknowledge one authority in my life and that is me.

That is what I thought you meant, and I don't consider religions, churches, ministers and priests any authority at all, they have no affect on me whatsoever,
although I guess many do look up to them in that way, and feel the obligation to
do what they are told, or to follow their lead, but I also do not rebel against
their authority, I don't recognize it.
 

Cliffy

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That is what I thought you meant, and I don't consider religions, churches, ministers and priests any authority at all, they have no affect on me whatsoever,
although I guess many do look up to them in that way, and feel the obligation to
do what they are told, or to follow their lead, but I also do not rebel against
their authority, I don't recognize it.
You hurt their feelings, ya know.;-)
 

Spade

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And a reminder to all men of all faiths or of none...

"Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people; but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am Jehovah" Leviticus 19:18