Russia-U.S. "Relations" & Maneuverings

Retired_Can_Soldier

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How has the lay on the sanctions and not talking to Putin been working out? Could it possibly be that Trump is demanding NATO to start ponying up to look like they are serious when making demands from Putin? Maybe people should give him a 1/2 a chance like the other leaders in history, the last one they criticized this hard made the USSR crumble


If you're implying that Trump is anywhere near Reagan's caliber as a president, I'm not even sure what to say. Okay, I'll say this. George W. Bush was 10 times the president Trump is.


And now that Putin has risen from the ashes of the USSR bonfire, don't bet on it crumbling. Trumps demands about Nato have zero to do with Russia.
 

Twin_Moose

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I'm saying he is trying something different from the same 'ol same 'ol shit that don't work, like Reagan did in the 80's

lol, you know not of what you speak.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX-x-0-r_kg&t=2s
Prince Charles Descendant Of Vlad the Impaler and Many Others


You know not of what you speak.
https://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.

Jimmy might of said OK, Reagan took it serious and twisted arms
 

MHz

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It was Regan's handlers that delayed the release of the hostages rather than Regan. It was delayed so it would happen on the day he was sworn in if you need something that shows how moral they are.


Before saying that about Bush again please give some advance notice.
 

JLM

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So why is it ok.. to pizz off the leaders of the US allies??
Deliberately pizzing off (bullying)any leader or counterpart is counterproductive .....and even foolhardy-even if some see it as a bizarre diplomatic" tactic.


Did I say that was OK? I don't recall! Maybe you start with where you have the most to lose. :lol:
 

MHz

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That is pretty far back, was he a moral man or did his past just get whitewashed. The 'pay to play' concept is not a new operation.


Is this the 'storm' part as I assume everybody thought it had to do with how active she was in the sack rather than the 'gold digger' trait outside of the 'work-place'
 

Bar Sinister

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No to all of the above points.

Which leader from which nation visited both of them in private before the first debate? No points, it is a reality check.




I suspect all of those points were made tongue in cheek.
 

darkbeaver

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I,m Russian, the American alternative is unthinkable, the planet should be free of these Amway vermin, however let us not neglect thier great and magnificent, sort of, expertise in bullshijht. A Hollywood driven mass of stunned tax paying slaves educated to believe they have some independence, technically they are allowed to pick/elect thier toothpast and nothing else.
 

EagleSmack

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It’s Open Season In Saudi Arabia on Everything Canadian











It’s open season in the Saudi media for all things Canadian.


The kingdom’s rulers this week set the two nations off on a diplomatic and trade brawl, and now journalists have been shoved into the ring.


Al Riyadh daily published a cartoon showing a red maple leaf dropping between the bare legs of a man wearing bright red socks and shiny black shoes, with the caption, “The fig leaf has fallen.” Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has gained attention for his loud footwear.




The accompanying article quoting various analysts claimed Canada was spreading chaos in Saudi ally Egypt, burnishing the image of terrorists and offering shelter to the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamic group that opposes absolute monarchies and is banned in Saudi Arabia.


A spat triggered by Ottawa’s call for the release of women’s rights activists detained in Saudi Arabia has rapidly escalated. Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, the Saudi king’s son and de facto ruler of the world’s biggest oil exporter, moved to expel the Canadian ambassador, freeze new trade deals, unload assets in Canada and cancel direct flights to Toronto by the state airline.
The U.S. is now trying to do behind-the-scenes damage control after being caught off guard, according to a senior U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.


In the meantime, other Saudi media -- privately owned but government-guided -- have joined in the Canada-bashing.
Al Arabiya TV alleged that Canadian jails are packed because of delays in trials. It also claimed excessive force is used against inmates, food and health services are bad and there’s no law that bans the detention of children.


Homelessness and racism are widespread in Canada, pictures in Al Riyadh newspaper purported to show. In another article, a headline in the paper claimed the kingdom’s decision to freeze relations with Canada had “caused confusion” among companies with 100 billion riyals ($26.7 billion) in Saudi-related investments.


Saudi Arabia’s central bank and pension funds have already begun selling Canadian assets, according to people familiar with the matter, but in Canada businesses don’t appear overly worried.
A writer in Al Hayat newspaper said


Canadian “hypocrisy is evident in the government’s dealings with its indigenous people who suffer from drug abuse, racism and social discrimination and who undoubtedly have been subjected to the most extreme levels of violence, from murder to homelessness and other indignities.”


One Twitter user who responded to the Saudi assault was Jordan Peterson, a Toronto psychology professor whom Al Arabiya claimed was a political prisoner. He tweeted a photo of himself Thursday lounging in a leather chair: “Help! I’m being held prisoner in Canada.”