Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits
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Ah, a member of the popcorn crowd cheers the young men from the sidelines as they march off to the meat grinder. How very British of you.
This is an ethnic war. Think of it as the Blood taking on the Blackfoot and do a few hiyiyis.
With you it could be put on the end of a prick and then you would probably ask for seconds.
You inbred nation is a little more involved that watching from the sidelines, as usual. You should really have gone to war when the Rothschild family conquered your business sector and gained control of the Bank of England. What big revolt did you put up, you gave them titles reserved for royalty. No wonder you want to watch from the sidelines.
Sure, right after I remove it with an axe. Your move Kaptain ...
Not everybody, just you.
Didn't you hear, he was going to abolish the Federal Reserve, obviously the banksters didn't like that idea, they prefer spineless men like Johnson who burned the document as fast as he could. Johnson should have been hung for treason (along with McNamara) when they allowed the Liberty to be attacked by Israel. Really what kind of leader says this about a ship and crew from the US, "I want that goddamn ship on the bottom.' No wonder the US is as messed up as it is today.
Black mold and H2S exposure will do that, my condition is getting better, yours is tanking fast and there is no cure for being intentionally stupid, which you excel at BTW.
Another fine example of the results of the US helping democracy flourish.
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/120170-u-n-voices-deep-concern-over-libya-unrest
The U.N. mission in Libya voiced "deep concern" on Tuesday over the near-daily violence plaguing the North African country, a day after seven Egyptian Christians were found murdered.
The U.N. Support Mission in Libya called on authorities to make every effort to rein in the rampant unrest, which has hit not only foreign targets but also Libyan civilians and security personnel, as well as polling stations in last week's election to a constituent assembly.
"UNSMIL expresses its deep concern about the continued violence -- including assassinations, bombings, kidnappings and attacks in the east and other Libyan areas," it said in a statement.
The attacks have targeted "judges, members of the security forces, activists, civilians and Arab and foreign nationals, as well as polling centers and buildings housing government and diplomatic missions," it said.
2002 – Bolivia (Morales; leftist/MAS): success (SE)
Good news, you can fade into Bolivia and oblivion all at once. Giddy up gaucho.
Good news, you can fade into Bolivia and oblivion all at once. Giddy up gaucho.
Actually Bolivia got rid of the US installed death squads, that is why they are not in the news much anymore, you raelly should keep up to date on this stuff. Oh I forgot, you like to look stupid to the world
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News that Lozada's government was selling off the country's one great prospect for wealth, its recently discovered gas reserves, to multinationals brought the ferment to a head in October 2003. What began as spasmodic agitation suddenly erupted into mass strikes and confrontations after the police shot down scores of protesters marching towards La Paz. It was then that El Alto became the centre of the movement. It was then too that the miners rediscovered their old traditions and their old militancy by marching with gelignite in clenched fists to join the masses in the capital.
The spontaneous October rising caused President Lozada to flee the country in a helicopter (the third Latin American president to do so in three years). But there was neither the consciousness nor the organisation among the hundreds of thousands of protesters in La Paz and El Alto to determine who replaced him. His deputy, Mesa, took his place in the presidential palace, the mass of demonstrators departed believing they had won a great victory and the neo-liberal policies continued as before. The next day delegate after delegate at an expanded meeting of the COB union lamented the fact that they had not been able to raise the question of a workers' and peasants' government.
As is often the case in revolutionary upheavals, the first successful uprising was followed by a period of precarious stability. There were attempts to divert popular anger into a nationalist agitation against Chile, which had annexed Bolivia's coastal region and blocked its access to the sea more than a century before. Mesa held a referendum over the gas issue and managed to get away with phrasing the issue in such a way as to get a majority. Attempts at new mobilisations never seemed to get the head of steam to repeat the October events.
The Bolivian Uprising
All of the Ukraine runs on Russian Oil. All they have to do is turn off the spigots on the Pipelines and Ukraine freezes in the dark.
About half of the Ukraine is atleast partly ethnic Russian.. within a couple of generations or so.. which is what derailed the 'Orange Revolution' of 10 years ago in its attempt to reinvent the country as a 'Western' European nation.
It's what will de-rail it again. At most half of the country was represented on the streets of Kiev. If there is a war.. it will be a Civil War.. with the old Cold War alliances as provisioners and spectators only. The further East you go, the more slavic, orthodox and oriental the population.. and the more they are in the Russian sphere.
It's best hope is to develop a sovereign identity consisting of all constituencies, unique to itself.. and forge ties both ways. Joining the EU (which is in economic decline and political crisis anyway) or Nato is pure fantasy. It's just not going to happen.
About half of the Ukraine is atleast partly ethnic Russian.. within a couple of generations or so.. which is what derailed the 'Orange Revolution' of 10 years ago in its attempt to reinvent the country as a 'Western' European nation.
It's what will de-rail it again. At most half of the country was represented on the streets of Kiev. If there is a war.. it will be a Civil War.. with the old Cold War alliances as provisioners and spectators only. The further East you go, the more slavic, orthodox and oriental the population.. and the more they are in the Russian sphere.
It's best hope is to develop a sovereign identity consisting of all constituencies, unique to itself.. and forge ties both ways. Joining the EU (which is in economic decline and political crisis anyway) or Nato is pure fantasy. It's just not going to happen.
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WOW, did the Pope just tell the 'Christians' to create a civil war?? Those ****ers never quit. They could give them the money and take it out of Sunday donations. I doubt they would have a problem with that, .. right?
Ukraine Religious Leader Voices Civil War Fears — Naharnet
The main cleric in Ukraine's Greek Catholic Church on Tuesday warned about the risks of civil war and separatism in his homeland during a visit to Rome.
The Major Archbishop of Kyiv-Halych, Sviatoslav Shevchuk, also appealed for the European Union to offer "economic aid and above all diplomatic support".
The risk of civil war "comes from abroad because when you cannot eat the whole cake, you eat just a slice," the clergyman said, in an apparent reference to Russia.
Ukraine Religious Leader Voices Civil War Fears — Naharnet
The main cleric in Ukraine's Greek Catholic Church on Tuesday warned about the risks of civil war and separatism in his homeland during a visit to Rome.
The Major Archbishop of Kyiv-Halych, Sviatoslav Shevchuk, also appealed for the European Union to offer "economic aid and above all diplomatic support".
The risk of civil war "comes from abroad because when you cannot eat the whole cake, you eat just a slice," the clergyman said, in an apparent reference to Russia.
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Russian military vehicles have been photographed in the main square of Sevastopol, and there are fears that Ukraine is about to plunge into a very bloody civil war. The pro-Russian eastern half of Ukraine is in a state of shock, and many living there are openly calling on Russia to militarily intervene to protect them against the protest groups that have seized power in Kiev. Down in the Crimea, where approximately 60 percent of the population is ethnically Russian, militia groups have formed to protect their region from the “fascist scum running around in Kiev with swastikas“. That quote is from a recent Time Magazine article, and it demonstrates the extreme level of tension that exists between the two halves of Ukraine right now. Perhaps a peaceful resolution can still be achieved, but at the moment a civil war seems quite likely. And if war does erupt, the truth is that it is going to be exceedingly difficult for Russia to stay out of it.
And Russia is not just sitting back and waiting to see what will happen. They are actively moving military forces into position for a potential conflict. Just check out this excerpt from an International Business Times article entitled “Russian Ships Arrive On Ukraine’s Crimean Coast As Fears Mount Over Russian Invasion In the Region“…
I assume this is their standard SUV.
At least this riot-tank won't tear up the pavement. That is a sniper rifle (20mm ???)on top, what range do you think it has and is it optically guided from deep inside the vehicle?
PressTV - US 'supports neo-Nazis' group Svoboda in Ukraine: Investigative journalist
US investigative journalist Wayne Madsen says American officials complimented the opposition party of Svoboda in Ukraine that is a “neo-Nazis organization.”
“The American government supports neo-Nazis, but I just find it absolutely ironic that those who are neoconservative and pro-Israel are also supporting neo-Nazis who made a large portion of Ukrainian illegal government,” he told Press TV on Tuesday.
The most controversial element of the anti-government alliance in Ukraine is Svoboda.
The group is an extreme right-wing political party that not only has representation in parliament, but has been dubbed by its critics as a neo-Nazi organization.
During a press conference on Monday, White House press secretary Jay Carney refused questions about whom Washington recognized as the leader of Ukraine.
Russian military vehicles have been photographed in the main square of Sevastopol, and there are fears that Ukraine is about to plunge into a very bloody civil war. The pro-Russian eastern half of Ukraine is in a state of shock, and many living there are openly calling on Russia to militarily intervene to protect them against the protest groups that have seized power in Kiev. Down in the Crimea, where approximately 60 percent of the population is ethnically Russian, militia groups have formed to protect their region from the “fascist scum running around in Kiev with swastikas“. That quote is from a recent Time Magazine article, and it demonstrates the extreme level of tension that exists between the two halves of Ukraine right now. Perhaps a peaceful resolution can still be achieved, but at the moment a civil war seems quite likely. And if war does erupt, the truth is that it is going to be exceedingly difficult for Russia to stay out of it.
And Russia is not just sitting back and waiting to see what will happen. They are actively moving military forces into position for a potential conflict. Just check out this excerpt from an International Business Times article entitled “Russian Ships Arrive On Ukraine’s Crimean Coast As Fears Mount Over Russian Invasion In the Region“…
According to Russian news site flot.com, Russian military ships carrying soldiers have arrived on Ukraine’s Crimean coastin what some are claiming could be the early signs of a Russian coup in the hotly disputed autonomous region of the Crimea.
Read more at Russian Troops Take Up Positions In Sevastopol As Ukraine Teeters On The Brink Of Civil War | InvestmentWatch
I assume this is their standard SUV.
At least this riot-tank won't tear up the pavement. That is a sniper rifle (20mm ???)on top, what range do you think it has and is it optically guided from deep inside the vehicle?
PressTV - US 'supports neo-Nazis' group Svoboda in Ukraine: Investigative journalist
US investigative journalist Wayne Madsen says American officials complimented the opposition party of Svoboda in Ukraine that is a “neo-Nazis organization.”
“The American government supports neo-Nazis, but I just find it absolutely ironic that those who are neoconservative and pro-Israel are also supporting neo-Nazis who made a large portion of Ukrainian illegal government,” he told Press TV on Tuesday.
The most controversial element of the anti-government alliance in Ukraine is Svoboda.
The group is an extreme right-wing political party that not only has representation in parliament, but has been dubbed by its critics as a neo-Nazi organization.
During a press conference on Monday, White House press secretary Jay Carney refused questions about whom Washington recognized as the leader of Ukraine.
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Allah ackbar and cream of tatar
'Allahu Akbar' 'Ukraine is not Russia'
Violence breaks out on streets of Crimea as 10,000 Muslim supporters of Ukraine's new government clash with smaller pro-Russian group
Vladimir Putin 'orders immediate test of Russian troops' combat readiness' | Mail Online
'Allahu Akbar' 'Ukraine is not Russia'
Violence breaks out on streets of Crimea as 10,000 Muslim supporters of Ukraine's new government clash with smaller pro-Russian group
Vladimir Putin 'orders immediate test of Russian troops' combat readiness' | Mail Online
Read more at Russian Troops Take Up Positions In Sevastopol As Ukraine Teeters On The Brink Of Civil War | InvestmentWatch
I assume this is their standard SUV.
At least this riot-tank won't tear up the pavement. That is a sniper rifle on top, what range do you think it has and is it optically guided from deep inside the vehicle?
That is the standard Russian Sports Utility Vehicle? You're such a retard.
It is an APC... Armored Personnel Carrier... one of their many BTR variants.
That is NOT a sniper rifle. It is a machine gun... most likely a 14.5mm.
You don't know a damned thing do you?
Just for the ones sent to put down an insurrection. With the slopy front end does that mean the (3) operators face backwards, make it a seat with a ejection system and you get out when the hull is broken in combat. Small ammo means many shots and storage is small and very protected. Better than the torch a tank is when it carries the big shells. Not saying they have this but wouldn't the machine gunner want an 'up periscope' option when you are entering hostile territory that scans the area with lots of sensors so that any shots fired are traceable and retaliation fire is only seconds away. Being Russian they probably know that when a body falls a certain way then the projectile came from a certain direction. and that area can be scoured for lifeforms. (rather than todays tanks that rely on being able to take a hit and keep moving) I'm also thinking they have various attachments like dozers and sweepers and detectors that can help on the number of 'flats' they get while on duty.
Once it has all the reactive armor on I'll bet it can pull more than a tank of the same size. If those middle wheels are actually inthe middle there should be back steering and then it could spin on a dime rather than needing a 3-point turn at least.
What else is there, oh yeah, if one rolls up to a disruptive gathering it means the gathering has just ended and the ones there should scatter in all 360 degrees, that about sums it up.
Literally they will be escorted into certain exits and name rank and serializing will take place when you just became a Russian Sitizen till you leave the area, that also means you are expected to obey Russian Laws
With the SUV version does it come in a 6-pak? (and reloads are fast and easy once those are gone because there is another 6 on the other side on the machine and since all 6 in the group carry the same stuff that is 72 he rounds that are sighted in from launch to target including direction corrected in the last 10% of the flight via forward sensors via GPS or laser or whatever so each shell is a direct hit and the crew is only taking up station and Headquarters has all the video feeds from all the ones in the area and 64 targets can be targeted at once without drones being counted.
I hear they also make smaller ones that can be left on 'auto fire' once a 'victim' is selected by computer or HQ, probably just a rumor.
No 1080 screens?? How barbaric.
Lets hope they adapt better 'in the field attachments' than the Syrian Rebel Armored Car
BTW you all missed the Pope and his statement about civil war and wanting the whole cake or none. (also pretending to be so broke they can't help the 'Christians" in the area.
What is the range of a 14.5mm sniper round that has a scope sighting capability" 2Miles? and 6 in a row before vehicle shake is an issue, meaning deploy hydraulic rams that also helps in tire changing.
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