Residential Schools....Are You Kidding me
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It's pretty sad when 'regular white folks' (loosely said), lump all first nations people into
one catagory, and then post on here in that way.
There are good and bad in every race of people, criticize your own' drunk white trash first,'
help clean that up, then look over the fence, and do what you can for others.
I've travelled B.C. all my life, I have first nations relatives in the interior of the province,
I've mixed with them, rode horses with them, had dinner with them, bought beautiful
jewellry etc., from them, and I have seen them drunk on a sunday morning, lying on the
side of the road, right beside white folks, in the same condition.
They have problems on their reservations, sure, just like many have problems in their
own homes, 'anywhere', and liquor is a problem, sure, just like it is in many 'white' homes.
I have sat at tables full of 'red neck idiots' and listened to the kind of conversation that
is so common in reference to 'first nations people', and it makes me sick, as I never hear
compassion, and a willingness to help, but 'jealousy' as the red neck pays out more taxes,
da.
There are low life stupid people in every 'race'.
Lets continue to help the first nations people get up and out of the situations that
many of them are in, and take the responsibility that should have been taken long
long ago, it is our business, and it is 'never' too late.
one catagory, and then post on here in that way.
There are good and bad in every race of people, criticize your own' drunk white trash first,'
help clean that up, then look over the fence, and do what you can for others.
I've travelled B.C. all my life, I have first nations relatives in the interior of the province,
I've mixed with them, rode horses with them, had dinner with them, bought beautiful
jewellry etc., from them, and I have seen them drunk on a sunday morning, lying on the
side of the road, right beside white folks, in the same condition.
They have problems on their reservations, sure, just like many have problems in their
own homes, 'anywhere', and liquor is a problem, sure, just like it is in many 'white' homes.
I have sat at tables full of 'red neck idiots' and listened to the kind of conversation that
is so common in reference to 'first nations people', and it makes me sick, as I never hear
compassion, and a willingness to help, but 'jealousy' as the red neck pays out more taxes,
da.
There are low life stupid people in every 'race'.
Lets continue to help the first nations people get up and out of the situations that
many of them are in, and take the responsibility that should have been taken long
long ago, it is our business, and it is 'never' too late.
Hey hold on here, I have shown respect for the native Indian on my posts. Human life is a part of the all other life as we know it here on earth. Human belong in the chain of species on planet earth. What the white man did to the Native Indian is no deferent than that of Hitler to the Jews, with the only exception Hitler killed millions of Jews and in Canada we have kept Native children on glue and the parents of the children drunk.
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Now, I get where you may think you're being respectful Socrates, but, you're coming off as condescending with a sense of superiority. You seem to be coming from a 'poor poor natives... we must protect them and tell them how to live' point of view. I think you need to swing back a bit and realize these are humans (not a separate species). Calling their kids all glue sniffers, or implying that natives are all drunks, ISN'T quite as respectful as you seem to think.
Ariadne, I stopped quoting your posts, I just couldn't compete with your inept stupidity.
There really isn't anymore I could add the commentary made to you by the able bodied Members here.
But I would like to share this with, and I hope Andem doesn't think ill of me for doing so. But here is a link to another website, that I 'bully' at. In this link you will find me, the resident bleeding heart...err...token 'injun', stating how I do not believe in financial reparations, and that an apology from this gov't at this time is not only unwarranted, it's empty.
http://www.thepeacearch.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7829
I am the Grand son of a Residential School survivor. I am aware of the damage they did to my community, I am aware of the brutality it took to beat the savage from the child, for the purposes of assimilation.
Your skewed views of what a Residential school really is, is nothing less then breath taking, your contempt for the truth is nothing less then shockingly astounding. You harp on about how smart you are, and it isn't the first time you've proclaimed such things, but you expose a deep uneducated void within yourself. The truly educated seek to be re-educated ad nauseum. Learning ends at death.
Well sir, between neglecting my sons, binge drinking and fornicating like a rabbit, despite my name, I was busy at work. Building, creating and contributing to the social fabric. Sadly though, I regret missing the tete et tete. But I must have my word, as you all know, lol.
Very true Karrie. Me the token 'injun' here, was busy, getting my oldest who's name is 'Hawkeye', ready to head off to Cadet camp this summer. He's off on a leadership course. He sees this as just another step towards fulfilling his dream of serving his Nation, Canada. 'Thunderfoot', his younger brother is learning to tie flies for fishing and contemplating selling them. And yes, despite all my attempts to corrupt them with my alcoholism, and my neglect, his wears are that good. He's a little down though, he had hoped to be heading off to summer camp with the Royal Canadian Army Cadets this summer, but he just didn't get one of the limited spots.
I'm thankful, that my sons were not removed from my care. This way I will be able to destroy another generation of Native kids. Hopefully this will perpetuate the stereotypes and the misconceptions of my people. Not to mention fomenting the cycle of substance abuse and sloth.
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To all of you that defended my people, I humbly thank each and every one of you. I know full well, we as a people leave a lot to be desired at times. Our sometimes aggressive way of making our plight known, is not acceptable and I agree. The voices of our leaders, hat in hand, demanding more and more, for less and less, is not acceptable to the drunken class such as myself. Please, I beg of you, please, accept my apology. What you see and hear, is not from all of us. Most of us wish to be as you, Members of the greatest Nation on earth and be a part of its bright future. Not apart of it.
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I urge you all to watch Unrepentant - Canada's Genocide.
This is part 1 of 11. You can find the rest on Youtube.
You can watch the whole 2 hour documentary here.
http://66stage.com/documentaries.php?pl=goo&url=-6637396204037343133
See how the United Church stole native land and sold it to MacMillan-Bloedell near Port Alberni, BC. Hear first hand accounts of indigeneous people tell of their time in residential schools. Listen to stories of germ warfare carried out by the Canadian government to cull the children by intentionally exposing them to TB. Other exploitations included sexual sterilization, medical experiments and pedophile rings that still operate today.
Though the apology from out PM to the aboriginal community was sincere and heartfelt, it does seem to ring hollow. If the government wants to prove they are serious they should scrap the Indian Act. This racist legislation was enacted in consultation with the Catholic Church and the United Church in the 1800's to carry out genocide on the indigenous people. They were in effect doing the Lords will as laid out in Deuteronomy 7: 1-2, 5-6.
This is part 1 of 11. You can find the rest on Youtube.
You can watch the whole 2 hour documentary here.
http://66stage.com/documentaries.php?pl=goo&url=-6637396204037343133
See how the United Church stole native land and sold it to MacMillan-Bloedell near Port Alberni, BC. Hear first hand accounts of indigeneous people tell of their time in residential schools. Listen to stories of germ warfare carried out by the Canadian government to cull the children by intentionally exposing them to TB. Other exploitations included sexual sterilization, medical experiments and pedophile rings that still operate today.
Though the apology from out PM to the aboriginal community was sincere and heartfelt, it does seem to ring hollow. If the government wants to prove they are serious they should scrap the Indian Act. This racist legislation was enacted in consultation with the Catholic Church and the United Church in the 1800's to carry out genocide on the indigenous people. They were in effect doing the Lords will as laid out in Deuteronomy 7: 1-2, 5-6.
The worst choice, except for all the others
Schools on first nations reserves weren't up to the task then, and they may not be now
TOM FLANAGAN
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
June 18, 2008 at 6:35 AM EDT
Wherever they went in Canada, Christian missionaries set up voluntary boarding schools and day schools for aboriginal children. The Canadian government began to involve itself at the end of the 1870s, when the end of the buffalo destroyed the economy of the Plains Indians and Métis. Famine loomed in the short term; in the longer term, it seemed necessary to help the native population convert from hunting to agriculture as a way of life.
What happened on the Prairies in the 1870s occurred everywhere in Canada at one time or another as the expansion of white settlement undercut the viability of the aboriginal economy. One can talk glibly about preserving native culture, but cultures don't exist in a vacuum. Culture is a way of making a living; when the means of survival undergo a fundamental shift, people will perish unless their culture is also transformed.
Once settlement extended from sea to sea, the future was clear: No one had any prospects in Canada without being able to read and write English or French, to acquire skills other people would pay for, to work according to the standardized calendar of an industrial society and to deal freely with others outside the kin group. That meant a massive cultural transformation for native people, and formal education had to be part of it.
It would have been truly genocidal for Canada, having destroyed native people's livelihood, to refuse assistance in educating their children to survive in the new world of industrial civilization. Native leaders were well aware of the challenge and begged for help. But how to deliver it?
Then, as now, three major alternatives existed for Indian children: to mingle with other children in off-reserve public schools, to attend day schools on the reserve or to be sent to residential schools. All three options were widely used; indeed, historian Jim Miller estimates that, even at the residential schools' peak, they never enrolled more than one-third of Indian and Inuit children.
Residential schools were mainly established in the West and North, where distances were great and native populations were still attached to whatever was left of the hunting and fishing economy. Under those conditions, children's attendance at day schools was often erratic or impossible, as their families would be away for long periods each year.
Now, we have turned against residential schools and decry the hardships they imposed on children and their families. But do we really know how much, or even whether, residential schools were worse than the other alternatives feasible at the time? The Department of Indian Affairs should commission some systematic research into the life outcomes of the graduates of the three forms of native education. Which group achieved greater material success, suffered fewer social pathologies and raised more successful children and grandchildren? Researchers in the department could answer those questions if they were given the assignment.
Such research is not just a matter of antiquarian curiosity. We badly need reliable information on the history of aboriginal education, because we (and "we" includes aboriginal leaders) are not doing so well in the present. Fifty years from now, we may be apologizing again for having failed aboriginal youth after the residential schools were phased out.
Investigative reporter Daphne Bramham reports that 27,000 aboriginal children are now in government care, compared to 9,000 children in residential schools at their apex in the 1940s. Much child protection is now carried out by aboriginal agencies, so this cannot be just a matter of overzealous white social workers scooping up culturally different native children. These are children suffering abuse or severe neglect.
What about educational achievement? In 2001, 41 per cent of Indians on reserves over the age of 15 had completed high school, compared to 69 per cent of all Canadians. (Statistics Canada did not collect comparable information in 2006.) In 2006, 4 per cent of Indians on reserves aged 25 to 64 had university degrees, compared to 23 per cent of all Canadians. Some first nations people have made inspiring progress in acquiring educational credentials, but the rate of advance seems to be levelling off. It is now little greater than the rate of advance in the general population. While there are heartening stories of individual success, the overall statistical picture is not so encouraging. Day schools on reserves have come in for considerable criticism.
The Office of the Auditor-General studied the education program of Indian and Northern Affairs Canada in 2000 and again in 2004. Both times, it came to the same conclusion: "The Department does not know whether funding to First Nations is sufficient to meet the education standards it has set and whether results achieved are in line with resources provided." Aboriginal leaders may be right that financial support for reserve schools is inadequate, but more than money is involved. Michael Mendelson of the Caledon Institute of Social Policy points out that self-government for first nations has led to "a standalone village-school model of education - a model that was outdated in the rest of Canada before the Second World War." And anecdotal evidence from reserve schoolteachers points to a distressing lack of family and community support for regular attendance, homework and other aspects of academic achievement.
The value of governmental apologies for past policies has been hotly debated. In any event, maybe we all can agree that apologies for residential schools should be accompanied by a hard-headed look at the current problems of aboriginal education.
Schools on first nations reserves weren't up to the task then, and they may not be now
TOM FLANAGAN
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
June 18, 2008 at 6:35 AM EDT
Wherever they went in Canada, Christian missionaries set up voluntary boarding schools and day schools for aboriginal children. The Canadian government began to involve itself at the end of the 1870s, when the end of the buffalo destroyed the economy of the Plains Indians and Métis. Famine loomed in the short term; in the longer term, it seemed necessary to help the native population convert from hunting to agriculture as a way of life.
What happened on the Prairies in the 1870s occurred everywhere in Canada at one time or another as the expansion of white settlement undercut the viability of the aboriginal economy. One can talk glibly about preserving native culture, but cultures don't exist in a vacuum. Culture is a way of making a living; when the means of survival undergo a fundamental shift, people will perish unless their culture is also transformed.
Once settlement extended from sea to sea, the future was clear: No one had any prospects in Canada without being able to read and write English or French, to acquire skills other people would pay for, to work according to the standardized calendar of an industrial society and to deal freely with others outside the kin group. That meant a massive cultural transformation for native people, and formal education had to be part of it.
It would have been truly genocidal for Canada, having destroyed native people's livelihood, to refuse assistance in educating their children to survive in the new world of industrial civilization. Native leaders were well aware of the challenge and begged for help. But how to deliver it?
Then, as now, three major alternatives existed for Indian children: to mingle with other children in off-reserve public schools, to attend day schools on the reserve or to be sent to residential schools. All three options were widely used; indeed, historian Jim Miller estimates that, even at the residential schools' peak, they never enrolled more than one-third of Indian and Inuit children.
Residential schools were mainly established in the West and North, where distances were great and native populations were still attached to whatever was left of the hunting and fishing economy. Under those conditions, children's attendance at day schools was often erratic or impossible, as their families would be away for long periods each year.
Now, we have turned against residential schools and decry the hardships they imposed on children and their families. But do we really know how much, or even whether, residential schools were worse than the other alternatives feasible at the time? The Department of Indian Affairs should commission some systematic research into the life outcomes of the graduates of the three forms of native education. Which group achieved greater material success, suffered fewer social pathologies and raised more successful children and grandchildren? Researchers in the department could answer those questions if they were given the assignment.
Such research is not just a matter of antiquarian curiosity. We badly need reliable information on the history of aboriginal education, because we (and "we" includes aboriginal leaders) are not doing so well in the present. Fifty years from now, we may be apologizing again for having failed aboriginal youth after the residential schools were phased out.
Investigative reporter Daphne Bramham reports that 27,000 aboriginal children are now in government care, compared to 9,000 children in residential schools at their apex in the 1940s. Much child protection is now carried out by aboriginal agencies, so this cannot be just a matter of overzealous white social workers scooping up culturally different native children. These are children suffering abuse or severe neglect.
What about educational achievement? In 2001, 41 per cent of Indians on reserves over the age of 15 had completed high school, compared to 69 per cent of all Canadians. (Statistics Canada did not collect comparable information in 2006.) In 2006, 4 per cent of Indians on reserves aged 25 to 64 had university degrees, compared to 23 per cent of all Canadians. Some first nations people have made inspiring progress in acquiring educational credentials, but the rate of advance seems to be levelling off. It is now little greater than the rate of advance in the general population. While there are heartening stories of individual success, the overall statistical picture is not so encouraging. Day schools on reserves have come in for considerable criticism.
The Office of the Auditor-General studied the education program of Indian and Northern Affairs Canada in 2000 and again in 2004. Both times, it came to the same conclusion: "The Department does not know whether funding to First Nations is sufficient to meet the education standards it has set and whether results achieved are in line with resources provided." Aboriginal leaders may be right that financial support for reserve schools is inadequate, but more than money is involved. Michael Mendelson of the Caledon Institute of Social Policy points out that self-government for first nations has led to "a standalone village-school model of education - a model that was outdated in the rest of Canada before the Second World War." And anecdotal evidence from reserve schoolteachers points to a distressing lack of family and community support for regular attendance, homework and other aspects of academic achievement.
The value of governmental apologies for past policies has been hotly debated. In any event, maybe we all can agree that apologies for residential schools should be accompanied by a hard-headed look at the current problems of aboriginal education.
Bear
When transplanted Europeans wanted to amass fortunes in land and practice "business" they brought along their priests and imams, their mullahs and their reverends to convert the heathen masses to labor force and marketplace. We've watched as governments from Germany and France, Britain and Spain, Portugal and Holland, well...every European "culture" enslaved and stole everything from native peoples all over the surface of this planet. Their "business" destroys the very fabric of human existence and their "beliefs" and "ideologies" justify everything from genocide to slavery and on to planet-wide wars.
And we're all familiar with how much one can rely on their "word" and their "promises".
They've never found peace among themselves so it's probably not very prudent to expect that they're capable of living in peace with anyone.
When transplanted Europeans wanted to amass fortunes in land and practice "business" they brought along their priests and imams, their mullahs and their reverends to convert the heathen masses to labor force and marketplace. We've watched as governments from Germany and France, Britain and Spain, Portugal and Holland, well...every European "culture" enslaved and stole everything from native peoples all over the surface of this planet. Their "business" destroys the very fabric of human existence and their "beliefs" and "ideologies" justify everything from genocide to slavery and on to planet-wide wars.
And we're all familiar with how much one can rely on their "word" and their "promises".
They've never found peace among themselves so it's probably not very prudent to expect that they're capable of living in peace with anyone.
Hey Karrie to reiterate on that the meaning of my statement is directed at the white man causing the Indian to lose his or here identity, by simply keeping them on glue or drunk. 9 out of 10 native reserves the people live in substandard conditions, #1 some of their Chiefs are rotten scumbags, they take money which belongs to ordinary Natives and buy expensive life styles for them self’s, while the Indian Affairs department is doing absolutely nothing to help all Natives in desperate need across Canadian soil.
So I do have respect for Natives, I am not and I have never suggested that it is their faults.
Just by the simple statement implying that they are either on glue or drunk shows that you do not respect our natives....
The white man doesn't keep the natives Socrates. That's condescending.
They're not all drunk or sniffing glue.
I know I probably can't explain to you why the patronizing attitude is just as racist as some of the hateful ones, but, it is.
Risus, I am being polite here to you. # 1 I don’t take any money form the NATIVES THEIR CHIEFS ARE.
WHEN I CAME TO CANADA 48 YEARS
AGO I DID NOT BRING WHISKY FOR THE NATIVES SO I CAN KEEP THEM DRUNK SO I CAN STEAL THEIR RESOURCES WHILE KEEPING THEM DRUNK LIKE YOUR ANCESTORS DID. # 2 you must be a disgruntled brain washed Con.
The Natives are spiritual people who have been subjected to the White mans thievery and exploitation.
White folk need to find any reason they can to hate. Some use religion, some use "difference", but whatever reason they find that they can comfortably adopt...they use!
It was white folk who declared that the black wasn't fully 100% human....so it was perfectly OK to enslave them and lynch them and treat them however one liked....
It's white folk who've drawn the lines everywhere they've gone. It must be terrible living with an inferiority complex that only finds relief through marginalizing others.
It was white folk who declared that the black wasn't fully 100% human....so it was perfectly OK to enslave them and lynch them and treat them however one liked....
It's white folk who've drawn the lines everywhere they've gone. It must be terrible living with an inferiority complex that only finds relief through marginalizing others.
It's our christian heritage, we actually enjoyed a tribal existance close to the earth before the hatefull blackrobes brought thier poison to our villages and ruined billions of us.Don't let them talk to your children they're poisoners us Beaker people know.
First, you don't know who my ancestors are so your comment about them is out of line. Second, your idiotic comment re brain washed Con isn't worthy of a reply. Third, No one said you were taking money from the Natives, don't be so paranoid.
The comment was that you were not respectful of our natives by implying that they are all on glue and drunk.
I will agree with ONE thing that you said: the natives were exploited by the white man.
By the way, I was born in Canada long before you came here.... and where were you from???
Risus, the French and the British are the first settlers in North America. The French and the Brits gave the Indian Whisky and Tobacco in exchange of other vast land parcels, the Indian has been dealt the joker card on the poker table. The native Indian has been raped and left drunk and hungry while their kids resorted to glue sniffing. You know this is the truth Risus I am not making this up. As for your ancestors if they are not French or British I take my comment back about your ancestors abusing the Native Indian. The comment about you being brain washed again I am sure you are capable to choose a political party, and if it is the Cons you love so dearly that is your indisputable right my friend. And as for me implying that all Natives are drunk or on glue that is not the Native Indians fault, it is the Feds Liberals or Conservatives who have F UCKED THE NATIVE INDIAN.
I have respect for the Native Indian, I am simply telling it like it is and we all know that the truth is not always polite towards the victims!!!!!!!
I think the problem started long before there were liberal or conservatives. (However I didn't notice the liberals apologizing in the house for the abuse). I also seriously doubt that the kids were sniffing glue when the brits and french first did their business (nasty or otherwise) with the natives.
In 1867 the Conservatives under Sir John A Macdonald thought it was a great idea in giving Native Indians alcohol in the exchange of land. They were the first Government who started the exploitation. The Introduction to alcohol drinking was the openings of the barn doors as youy know, and then came the sexual abuse, being that a drunken person will agree to almost anything. The sniffing glue was chosen as an alternative to a quick high being that the glue can be bought in hardware stores which made it legal for anyone to walk into a hardware store and purchase glue. I am sure you know that the Native Indian in North America has been robed blind.