Rememberance Day

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Six MILLION Brits fought in World War I, and Britain lost about twice as many soldiers in World War I than it did in World War II.

Today, there are only ten British men who are still alive who fought in WWI. One of them is 109 - he's the oldest man in Britain.

They starred in a recent must-see BBC documentary called The Last Tommies, telling us all about their experiences of WWI.

Today, they are taking part in the Remembrance Day ceremonies -


Oldest War Veteran Lays Wreath in France



Lest we forget: A two-minutes' silence will be held at 11am to mark the Armistice


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Britain's oldest war veteran is to mark Armistice Day by laying a wreath for fallen comrades at a war memorial in France.

First World War veteran Henry Allingham, 109, the last survivor of the Battle of Jutland and the last surviving founder member of the Royal Air Force, has travelled to St Omer, near Calais, to honour those who died.

Mr Allingham, from Eastbourne, East Sussex, is guest of honour at a wreath laying service at the first permanent memorial to British air personnel who served on the Western Front, located just outside the French town.

He will be joined for the ceremony by Air Vice Marshall Peter Dye, the RAF's deputy commander-in-chief and chief of staff, and a dozen aircraft engineer trainees from RAF Cosford, near Wolverhampton.

French war veterans and local dignitaries will also gather at the memorial built at the aerodrome which during the Great War became the most important British air base in France and Belgium, and where the initially small British air services developed into the RAF.

Despite his age, Mr Allingham plans to walk from his wheelchair to the air memorial to lay a wreath at 10.30am before driving back to the centre of St Omer to salute the fallen at the town's own war memorial on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month.

Dennis Goodwin, the chairman of the World War One Veterans' Association, said: "Henry is very much looking forward to the ceremony because he knows that he is the ambassador in a way to all the veterans in the UK.

"He is the flag carrier for them and is very proud of what he can do.

"It also gives him a great sense that there is a tomorrow, a focus for going on.''

Mr Allingham, who received a standing ovation at the unveiling of the St Omer air services memorial on Armistice Day last year, is also planning to attend the Cenotaph in Whitehall on Remembrance Sunday.

More than 50 British air squadrons were based at some point at St Omer, which was both an operational station and a major maintenance depot, home to 4,000 personnel by 1918.

The struggle for air superiority came at a high cost, with British airmen maintaining a relentless offensive despite suffering periods of technical and tactical inferiority to the Germans, culminated in the notorious "Bloody April'' of 1917 when more than 8,000 airmen were killed or injured.
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The Royal Air Force, formed just before WWI (but didn't become known as the RAF until WWI) when flight was still in its infancy, is the oldest air force in the world.
 

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Reply to Flanders Fields
Oh! sleep in peace where poppies grow;
The torch your falling hands let go
Was caught by us, again held high,
A beacon light in Flanders sky
That dims the stars to those below.
You are our dead, you held the foe,
And ere the poppies cease to blow,
We'll prove our faith in you who lie
In Flanders Fields.
Oh! rest in peace, we quickly go
To you who bravely died, and know
In other fields was heard the cry,
For freedom's cause, of you who lie,
So still asleep where poppies grow,
In Flanders Fields.

As in rumbling sound, to and fro,
The lightning flashes, sky aglow,
The mighty hosts appear, and high
Above the din of battle cry,
Scarce heard amidst the guns below,
Are fearless hearts who fight the foe,
And guard the place where poppies grow.
Oh! sleep in peace, all you who lie
In Flanders Fields.

And still the poppies gently blow,
Between the crosses, row on row.
The larks, still bravely soaring high,
Are singing now their lullaby
To you who sleep where poppies grow
In Flanders Fields.

- John Mitchell
 

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The Airforce I served in back in the days when we had an Airforce.

Canadair built about twenty five hundred F-86s. They were not a bad aircraft in their day. The Canadian F-86 mark 6 had almost twice the thrust of the original American aircraft. For what it's worth, this is the Airforce I remember, in Germany late fifties/early sixties. The only war we fought was the cold war.....Thank God

 

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Well it was a good ceremony today in Vancouver. I got soaked to the you know what. But it was worth it.

I was talking to a vet (sailor) who was in the part of the Navy (forgot the name of ship)that protected supply ships from Halifax to England. Very interesting fellow. He said those German U boats would come out of nowhere. He also met his wife in London and brought her back after the war.

I heard on tv only 5 World War 1 vets still alive in Canada and the average is 105.
 

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Today's rememberance day is of mixed emotions. Gratitude for the job so many young men /women did to contain , beat a sadistic,aggressive warmonger leader.

Sadness that the u.s. did not learn that these men /women died for peace, too. .......with the fervent message that such atrocities not be repeated as the world's population evolved.

Warmongering is alive and well........u.s. style. :evil: The difference between then and now is the new (manipulative ) vernacular that has been created to "Justify" preemptive invasions....... aka starting wars of aggression. Pre-emtive only to achieve being the powerhold over the ME and its resources......and LYING to do it. This would make all those that died ......(that we are remembering) turn over in disgust & horror in their graves... .....as it shows them ......not much has changed with humanity. Greed, power , lust for power and wealth are alive and well..........and LYING/KILLING to achieve it.......is part of the scenario.

It is a good thing that all those that died are not privy to this criminality.

One minute silence for those that died and the sadness that some have not learned what they really died for.

PEACE........and peaceful resolutions to issues. ( only in peace can we have the freedoms, liberties and rites .....we have come to take for granted)
 

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I did notice the American tv channels never covered any ceremonies but CNN. The detroit and Rochchester affiliates I get never cut in or showed anything. I was watching them at 7:55 am pst or 10:55 est and none of them showed anything but cnn.
 

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Re: RE: Rememberance Day

no1important said:
I did notice the American tv channels never covered any ceremonies but CNN. The detroit and Rochchester affiliates I get never cut in or showed anything. I was watching them at 7:55 am pst or 10:55 est and none of them showed anything but cnn.


maybe it is because the US is still creating a new list of dead troops in order to be remembered in the coming years..... :evil: :cry:
 

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This Remembrance Day, I will show my respect for Canada's war dead in a different way - I will not wear a poppy.

The poppy, John McRae's In Flanders Fields and the commemoration of the two world wars are part of a ritual that has become a perverse anachronism. Simply put, the world that these wars engendered no longer exists, in spirit or in fact.

Remembrance Day, for the most part, commemorates victories in "good wars" - wars where we could clearly claim to be fighting on the side of right and justice. The men and women who died in these wars, gave their lives so that we today could live free from tyranny. But do we seriously believe that our soldiers, airmen and sailors fought against Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan only to bequeath to us a world terrorized by Israel, the U.S. and Great Britain?

What right do we have to indulge the conceit of our own virtue when we have become the enemy and are doing to Arabs and the Middle East what Hitler did to Jewish Europeans and Europe?

If you find this comparison a tad extreme let me show you how Bush prepared the U.S. public for the destruction of Iraq in his Jan. 28, 2003, State of the Union address:

"In this century, the ideology of power and domination has appeared again, and seeks to gain the ultimate weapons of terror. Once again, this nation and all our friends are all that stand between a world at peace, and a world of chaos and constant alarm. Once again, we are called to defend the safety of our people, and the hopes of all mankind. And we accept this responsibility. (Applause.)...

"Whatever action is required, whenever action is necessary, I will defend the freedom and security of the American people. (Applause.) Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. In such quantities, these chemical agents could also kill untold thousands. He's not accounted for these materials. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed them...

"We Americans have faith in ourselves, but not in ourselves alone. We do not know - we do not claim to know all the ways of Providence, yet we can trust in them, placing our confidence in the loving God behind all of life, and all of history. May He guide us now. And may God continue to bless the United States of America."

Now, here is an excerpt from Hitler's Dec. 11, 1941, speech to the Reichstag that contains his reasons for invading the Soviet Union:

"The German people and its soldiers work and fight today not only for themselves and their own age, but also for many generations to come. A historical task of unique dimensions has been entrusted to us by the Creator which we are now obliged to carry out... I have not sought war. To the contrary, I have done everything to avoid conflict. But I would forget my duty and my conscience if I were to do nothing in spite of the realization that a conflict had become unavoidable. Because I regarded Soviet Russia as a danger not only for the German Reich but for all of Europe, I decided, if possible, to give the order myself to attack a few days before the outbreak of this conflict.

A truly impressive amount of authentic material is now available which confirms that a Soviet Russian attack was intended. We are also sure about when this attack was to take place. In view of this danger, the extent of which we are perhaps only now truly aware, I can only thank the Lord God that He enlightened me in time and has given me the strength to do what must be done. Millions of German soldiers may thank Him for their lives, and all of Europe for its existence."

Hitler and Bush are both messianic sociopaths who lied about an immanent threat to justify unleashing total war in the name of God. Canada went to war to defeat one of them, yet we are supposed to remember the other as the great saviour of the free world.

The false dichotomy between "evil" Nazis and "good" Allies allows for the abuse of Nazi imagery to justify Nazi-like aggression. Those who belong to the Israeli-U.S.-British axis use Hitler analogies to demonize Arab resistance fighters and Arab states, but this slander debases Remembrance Day and everything our veterans fought and died for.

Hitler led a great militaristic state driven by chauvinism, bigotry and expansionist zeal. No Arab state bears any resemblance to Nazi Germany. Israel and the U.S., though, are great militaristic states driven by chauvinism, bigotry and expansionist zeal.

Jews, the victims of Hitler's genocide campaign, are waging a genocide against Palestinian Arabs. The U.S., which used to extol individual liberties and denounce torture, is now a police state that justifies torture in the name of the "war on terrorism." Who will stand up to Isramerica?

The cruel truth is that World War II didn't end in 1945. The contrived "peace" of the Cold War was merely a long hibernation that ended when the Soviet Union collapsed. Hitler's master race fascism didn't die either; it found new ground in Israel.

It's time to dispense with Remembrance Day until such time as we can commemorate the past without choking on our own hypocrisy. In the meantime, the motto "lest we forget" should be changed to "let us remember":

Let us remember what fascism is and to speak out for its victims.

Let us remember that "never again" does not just apply to Jews.

Let us remember that the past has no value if its lessons are ignored.

Let us remember that the ally of yesterday can become the tyrant of today.

Let us remember that if we do nothing when great crime is being committed we are complicit.
 

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I envision a Veterans Day where a "Veteran" is someone who has spent their whole life, God-given ingenuity, and limbs HELPING OTHERS TO LIVE WELL, beginning in our country--growing healthy food, distributing healthy food, providing non-toxic health care, and cleaning up pollution.That's the kind of "Veteran" I value. I envision an army of LIFE SOLDIERS. - Zing Nafzinger




 

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I was in Bolton town centre's Sainsbury's supermarket nearly half an hour ago when it reached 11am and a woman on the tannoy said "It's 11am and we will now be observing a two minutes' silence" or words to that effect. So I and all the other customers in there just stood respectfully quiet for the two minutes, save for some young child somewhere who didn't know what was going on.

At about 11:05am there were huge crowds of people leaving Victoria Square in front of our magnificent Victorian town hall. I don't know exactly what was going on there but I suspect there was some sort of ceremony involving a batallion.
 
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Celebrities including former Girls Aloud member Cheryl Fernandez-Versini (or whatever she calls herself these days), Amstrad tycoon, former Spurs owner and The Apprentice host Sir Alan Sugar, pop star Alesha Dixon, Brisbane Heat cricketer "Freddie" Flintoff and London 2012 Olympics star Jessica Ennis-Hill say join us for the Two Minute Silence (which happened just over an hour ago in the UK):


 
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It has become tradition for me to watch war related stories and documentaries the night before Remembrance Day. History channel is currently running a series of half hour docs called War Stories that highlight the contributions Canadians made in WW II.

Listening to our veterans speak of the battles they fought, the comrades they lost and the memories that still haunt them even these many decades later is such a sobering experience.

I feel nothing but gratitude for their sacrifices. They fought and they died that I may live in freedom.

I will never forget.


 

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My grandfather served in WWi. I was listening to a radio program about veteran. I told the interviewer that my grandpa had been a stretcher bearer. I thought that it meant that he carried stretchers. The radio guest said that wasn't true. Grandpa was like a medic who treated the injured in the field. My Grandpa, Father and only Uncle served our country. For that I am very proud.
 

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Good ones T-Bones.

You beat me to the first song but I do like this version better.

Green Fields of France ~ Drop Kick Murphys

 

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My grandfather was an ambulance driver; as I understand it, he was among the first to cross the Rhine during WWII. I have a lot of family in the military and am very proud of them all for what they do.