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Too bad nobody ever listens to what is being said or asks "what does that mean?" when reading his script.
What does this mean?

Re.22:11
He that is unjust,
let him be unjust still:
and he which is filthy,
let him be filthy still:
and he that is righteous,
let him be righteous still:
and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

2Tm.3:2
For men shall be lovers of their own selves,
covetous,
boasters,
proud,
blasphemers,
disobedient to parents,
unthankful,
unholy,

To me it would seem things are right on track to being the same as the last 2,000 years. No use trying to do any countdown and it could still be many generations until that first events unfolds. The ills and the plusses of the world are credits we are in control of.

Locking the gates on an exodus from Japan when the health of 10's of millions is at risk is something our leaders would do, even that isn't considered to be a woe on a biblical scale, that just means we have pricks running things.
 

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The Holy Bible? Yeah Jesus uses it all to get the full message across. Not everybody is real happy about that aspect of things, as it is the apple cart can be rightened and reloaded and the rest of the journey is not so rough once your wheels are balanced.
 

petros

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You can read all you want but understanding and employing the content is what really matters. I don't see that in today's brand of Christian.
 

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Hard to get understanding without reading. If you need proof, ...... read this. lol

Isa.28:9
Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk,
and drawn from the breasts.
Isa.28:10
For precept must be upon precept,
precept upon precept;
line upon line,
line upon line;
here a little,
and there a little:


Today is the predicted slow slide into something different than the truth.

2Th.2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;

Oddly enough Jews would have been the first-anti christs as well as the foundation of the Church. Gentiles took over about 70AD and we haven't looked back, false christians far outnumber sheep of Matthew 25
 

petros

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Oddly enough Jews would have been the first-anti christs as well as the foundation of the Church. Gentiles took over about 70AD and we haven't looked back, false christians far outnumber sheep of Matthew 25
The Judeans (Jews) or Israelites they defeated and ruled over?
 

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The Judeans who were in this group.

M't.23:37
O Jerusalem,
Jerusalem,
thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,
and ye would not!
M't.23:38
Behold,
your house is left unto you desolate.

Israel was ruled over from the time of Neb, Rome started her rule in 63BC. God arranged for them to be given back the temple but even in the prophecies in Daniel 8 and 9 it was destined to be taken down again.

That marks the end of the bruise to the heel, the next bruise doesn't involve the Jews to the same extent, not are they 'under pressure' Zec.13 is a good example of that. Starting at the top you read about Israel getting some 'pleasant thing' from God and then suddenly 2/3 of 'somebody' is killed, that somebody is strictly Gentiles and it is part of the event that is the bruise to the serpents head, Satan is in the Pit.

This is also an example of what I mean that shows the OT prophecies can only be set on a timeline or in it's proper sequence id the NT sets the basics. Jews would not be in favor or going down that path even though it is the correct one (as far as the prophecies about Satan's bruise are concerned).

The whole House of Israel would be alive by the end if the resurrection in Eze.37, Gentiles will be a remnant of being 'whole'
 

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The bible is not history Jesus was not flesh and bone and neither were his archetypical contemporaries or those that preceded them. Being crucified means to be burned clean by the fire of intellect.

(If Pisces is then the "house" in which the Christ in man comes to his birth, it is pertinent to ask if there are evidences in the Bible or Christianity that Jesus was colored with the fish typology. Here we encounter material enough to provide another nine-days’ wonder. For we find the Gospel Jesus marked with many items of the Piscean symbology. He picks his twelve disciples from the ranks of fishermen (in Egypt they were as well carpenters, reapers, harvesters, sailors, rowers, builders, masons, potters, etc.); he told Peter to find the gold in the fish’s mouth; he performed the miraculous draught of fishes; he de-
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clared that he would make them "fishers of men." In the catacombs under Rome the symbol of the two fishes crossed was displayed on the Christ’s forehead, at his feet, or on a plate on the altar before him. And the Romans for several centuries dubbed the early Christians Pisciculi, or "Little Fishes," members of the "fish-cult." And the Greeks denominated the Gospel Jesus as Ichthys, the Fish. All this fish symbolism can not be explained away as sheer incident material. It is the product of ancient custom, which figured the Christs under the symbolism of the reigning sign of the zodiac, according to the precession of the equinoxes.
And yet another surprising correlation comes to view. The Christ, as it has here been delineated, is the offspring or creation of a conception of deific Mind, first in the inner bosom of spiritual matter, then in organic bodily structure. Primeval space, we have seen, was called in Egypt the NUN, or the Waters of the Nun. All Bible students recognize a familiar ring in the phrase "Joshua, Son of Nun." But so far has ignorance and obscurantism gone with its deadly work in Christian literalism that hardly anyone knows with definiteness that Joshua is just a variant name for Jesus. The phrase is actually written in some old documents as "Jesus, Son of Nun." At any rate Joshua is just Jesus, no less. So here is the Christ, called Jesus, son of the aboriginal space, or the NUN. But the wonder increases when we turn to the Hebrew alphabet and find that while "M" is called and spelled "Mem" and means "water," "N" is called and spelled "Nun" and means--of all things--"Fish"! Jesus, then, is son of Pisces, the Fish-sign, as he indeed is in the Gospels themselves.)http://pc93.tripod.com/lostlght.htm
 

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As a Christian I can't be bothered with OT
It doesn't set policy for future events, it does have lots of fine details though. Holy Angels have a certain appearance durin the time they hunt down sinners, it is far from the 'normal appearance' associated with their appearance

Joe.2:7
They shall run like mighty men;
they shall climb the wall like men of war;
and they shall march every one on his ways,
and they shall not break their ranks:
Joe.2:8
Neither shall one thrust another;
they shall walk every one in his path:
and when they fall upon the sword,
they shall not be wounded.
Joe.2:9
They shall run to and fro in the city;
they shall run upon the wall,
they shall climb up upon the houses;
they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
Joe.2:10
The earth shall quake before them;
the heavens shall tremble:
the sun and the moon shall be dark,
and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Taken all together the OT prophecies still fill in some thing the NT does not cover as the info was already given.

That's a many page subject.
 

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These Holy Angels.
M't.13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels,
and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
and them which do iniquity;
 

petros

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Angels?

 

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Angel of the Lord.

2Ki.19:35
And it came to pass that night,
that the angel of the LORD went out,
and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand:
and when they arose early in the morning,
behold,
they were all dead corpses.

fallen angel

Re.9:15
And the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour,
and a day,
and a month,
and a year,
for to slay the third part of men.

Their Boss

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darkbeaver

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Lucifer and Christ share the same coin. They work in absolute agreement of the task at hand which is nothing but the elevation and reincarnation of the soul through the human (animal/matter) vehicle. Earth is hell the purifying crucible (severe trial) of the soul (a tiny allotted chunk of the cosmic conscience). This is the world under the celestial heavens, this earth is the underworld, Amneta or Egypt.
 

petros

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Lucifer and Christ share the same coin. They work in absolute agreement of the task at hand which is nothing but the elevation and reincarnation of the soul through the human (animal/matter) vehicle. Earth is hell the purifying crucible (severe trial) of the soul (a tiny allotted chunk of the cosmic conscience). This is the world under the celestial heavens, this earth is the underworld, Amneta or Egypt.
As it is above. So is it below.
 

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God created Man/Woman - So those that are afflicted with a Mental Illness and cannot according to Western Laws be held accountable for such crimes as murder and others - Does God consider that he created these people with these afflictions - do they go to Heaven or Hell?

In order to determine if a mentally ill person is going to heaven or hell you would have to know everything about them. Their complete past, their secret thoughts, and what the source of the illness was. The only person who knows all this is God obviously and that's why he does the judging, not us. Consider your own eternal fate.

Does taking a life defending yourself condemn you to Hell?-

Of course not. The desire for self preservation, which is your justification for ending another person's life, was placed inside of you BY GOD.

As God created Man & Woman - he also created homosexuality - asexual as well - Are they condemned to Hellfire?
God made them did he not?

No, he did not create homosexuality. He said homosexual behavior a sin. If homosexuality was created by God he would be contradicting himself and that's impossible for him to do!

As a Soldier, taking a life to protect others in War - Are you condemned to hell and brimstone as an aside?

No. That's not how one gets condemned to hell. You are condemned to hell for refusing the free gift of salvation.

Walking by a person that needs help you keep on moving, the person dies, are you according to the Bible also responsible for their death - So off you go - Brimstone and fire as an added side dish of punishment

No. Again that's not how you find yourself in hell. Walking by and not helping certainly could be considered a sin though, because you didn't treat him like a neighbor!

Taking revenge on people - does that also constitute a Sin???

Revenge is a sin.

Can a person who does not believe in God, go to Heaven?

Absolutely not. Your greatest reward in heaven is his God himself. If an unbeliever were in heaven imagine how uncomfortable they would be! God would never force himself on you and respects your decision to choose hell instead.

What about all those born before God revealed himself? Where did they go???? No not Florida, that’s Gods Waiting Room

Same situation as mentally ill people. It has to be determined by the only person who has absolute knowledge of their lives. My estimation is that they get judged by how well they followed the absolute moral code that God instilled in them.

Capital Punishment? Does God believe in Capital Punishment?

Worse! The wrath of God is so terrible that when you refuse to have your sins washed clean with the blood of Christ, he has no choice but to punish your sin with eternal torment! Sin is punished regardless, either Jesus got your punishment or you will get it.

Fortunately, the love of God is so unlimited that no matter the sin, you can easily avoid his wrath by walking through the wide open door! No list of good deeds required! In fact, you can never do enough to earn salvation! It's free!

Is our fate decided by God the day we are born?

Absolutely not. You decide your fate.

Was Man/Woman born with Free Will?

Yes. 100 percent free will.
 

darkbeaver

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The doctrine of hell-fire has drifted from the original connotation far away from intelligible meaning. It must be reduced again to rational sense.
Chemically all life processes are a burning. Oxidation is a slower burning, as in rust. All decomposition is a burning. Disintegration of a composite by operation of a superior potency is a burning. Hence all energic activity among the elements of life is thought of as the work of fire. Man’s whole life, then, is cast in the midst of a veritable welter of fiery forces, and so Egypt described the world as the lake of fire, or again "the crucible of the great house of flame" and "the Pool of the Double Fire." "Higher" fires and "lower" fires, or the rays of cosmic thought and the purely chemical energies embosomed in matter, called by the Egyptians "the seven Uraeus divinities," unite on earth in a combat and interfusion which constitutes indeed "the fiery furnace" of theological myth. The god came here, to transmute both himself and his animal protégé into higher natures. He was to burn out the dross and refine the material of the coarser sheaths, those of "earth" and "water," to make possible the unfoldment to function of the principle of mind. This type of spiritual combustion is all that was originally meant by the purging by fire and the winnowing by air. To purify is to make clean by fire. Burning out, or blowing out, the chaff of the animal compound in us by the divine fire of soul, or the divine afflatus of spirit, was the universal mythical symbol of our divinization. Coming with his fan in his hand "he will thoroughly purge his floor." The floor is the physical base of life. The higher potency will cleanse the lowest. More than once the Egyptian Ritual harps on the soul’s "acquiring dominion over his feet." The rite of feet-washing can be immediately divined as a type of cleansing the lowest nature. Texts in the Ritual state that he who has won control over his feet has done all he needs to do to insure salvation.
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To be consumed in the lake, or the furnace, of fire, then, is not, as theology has mistaught a harrowed world, to writhe in flames of torment piled by a vengeful god to satiate a thwarted wrath. There are seven-league-boot strides of distance and difference between this insufferable product of a fiendish theology and the august philosophical conception of primal wisdom. The latter is instinct with dignity and truth; the other a frenzy of inhuman weakness goaded by ignorant fear. Some semblance at least of the hidden truth should have been conceived from the fact that even in the distorted rendering, the souls in hell burn, but do not burn up. Their torment, says orthodoxy, is eternal; and the true and sane original meaning of this whole doctrine went awry because "eternal" was substituted in the translation for "aeonial." The stress of anguish of the fiery experience was to last through the aeon or cycle of incarnation. This rendering yields instruction and intelligence; the other mocks the reason.
The souls burn, but are not extirpated. They die, but live on, eventually transfigured. "I died yesterday, but I am alive today," cries the Manes. "In one of the hells the shades (Manes) are seen burning, but they were able to resist the fire, and consequently it is said: ‘The shades live; they have raised their powers.’"http://pc93.tripod.com/lostlght.htm