Regina man gets jail for racist messages.

[karrie]

It shouldn't.

I'm torn on the issue.

I think anyone should be free to be as stupid as they want. But, there's a line crossed when they advocate doing something to someone else because of that stupidity.

Talk politics, talk policy, talk about your dislikes, fine. It's such a fine line though that I really don't know where it lies, but at some point between 'our country should limit Muslim immigration', and 'Let's round up all the Muslims'.... it gets crossed.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm torn on the issue.

I think anyone should be free to be as stupid as they want. But, there's a line crossed when they advocate doing something to someone else because of that stupidity.

Talk politics, talk policy, talk about your dislikes, fine. It's such a fine line though that I really don't know where it lies, but at some point between 'our country should limit Muslim immigration', and 'Let's round up all the Muslims'.... it gets crossed.

That line is between...

We should...

and...

Go do.

 

[EagleSmack]

Should we say typical? What do you expect? Must be a red province? Same ol same ol?

 

[karrie]

Should we say typical? What do you expect? Must be a red province? Same ol same ol?

It's odd to me for anyone in the prairie provinces to have an issue with 'the jews'. Now, racism against natives and immigrants, that I'm used to from Sask, but not anti-semitism.

As for it being a red province..... more purple than anything, pretty dead centre.

 

[SLM]

For as long as Tremaine continues to post such things online he shows himself to be the very epitome of many of the things he hates in others.

"They were described as vermin, a disease, parasites, criminals, scoundrels, embezzlers and liars. They were portrayed as dangerous and in some cases intellectually inferior."

Pick any sentiment I think it probably would fit him to a T. So why stop him? He's only injuring himself really, in the end. It's not as if someone who is not already racist is going to read them and say "My God, I think he's right!". That'll never happen. And I'd personally much rather they have a place to spew their venom where it can be watched, so that if a call to actually do something as opposed to say something ever happens, we can know and maybe cut it off before it happens.

I have a lot of pity for this guy. He's quite pathetic.

 

[JLM]

For as long as Tremaine continues to post such things online he shows himself to be the very epitome of many of the things he hates in others.



Pick any sentiment I think it probably would fit him to a T. So why stop him? He's only injuring himself really, in the end. It's not as if someone who is not already racist is going to read them and say "My God, I think he's right!". That'll never happen. And I'd personally much rather they have a place to spew their venom where it can be watched, so that if a call to actually do something as opposed to say something ever happens, we can know and maybe cut it off before it happens.

I have a lot of pity for this guy. He's quite pathetic.

Actually you are right, if his message was just directed toward specific members who have harmed him, I think he's within his rights AS LONG as he makes it clear he is denigrating people not races (which he didn't do). If he is painting an entire race with same brush, then the guy is obviously nuts and probably the least attention paid to him the better!

 

[CDNBear]

If he is painting an entire race with same brush, then the guy is obviously nuts and probably the least attention paid to him the better!

What about an entire country, do they get the same protections?

 

[The Old Medic]

You either have "Free Speech" or you do not. Canada does NOT have "Free Speech", it limits your speech to what is considered to be politically correct.

Yes, technically he was not sent to jail for what he said, he was sent to jail for violating a Judges order. BUT, that order limited his right to "Free Speech".

I find people like this Neo-Nazi to be vile and horrible, but I would support their right to freely express whatever they wish, so long as they are not inciting to violence.

It is FAR better that people like this be allowed to express their sickness, than to bottle it up, and encourage them to actually act it out. Limiting their speech just drives them underground, increasing their chances of becoming violent in the future.

 

[SLM]

Actually you are right, if his message was just directed toward specific members who have harmed him, I think he's within his rights AS LONG as he makes it clear he is denigrating people not races (which he didn't do). If he is painting an entire race with same brush, then the guy is obviously nuts and probably the least attention paid to him the better!

Actually if he is directing his message towards specific people then we're venturing into libel/slander which is a whole different ball of wax.

If he wants to hate all black people, hate all native people, hell if he wants to hate all blonde hair, blue eyed people that walk with a limp nothing anybody can say or do is going to change his mind. It's superficial these judgements, when they are used to paint with a broad stroke especially.

As vile as I think his messages are I think it's far more dangerous to turn him into some kind of martyr, which could easily happen if it appears too much that he's being victimized by 'the system'. Because then some of that pity could migrate into sympathy, and this person is not a sympathetic character. He's sad and pathetic.

So let him spew his venom and ignore him. Or, better yet, counter it with some of our own. That's far better than leaving people to hate in some dark corner somewhere.

 

[JLM]

You either have "Free Speech" or you do not. Canada does NOT have "Free Speech", it limits your speech to what is considered to be politically correct.

Yes, technically he was not sent to jail for what he said, he was sent to jail for violating a Judges order. BUT, that order limited his right to "Free Speech".

I find people like this Neo-Nazi to be vile and horrible, but I would support their right to freely express whatever they wish, so long as they are not inciting to violence.

It is FAR better that people like this be allowed to express their sickness, than to bottle it up, and encourage them to actually act it out. Limiting their speech just drives them underground, increasing their chances of becoming violent in the future.

Old Medic, Bear- I certainly don't have the answers. In general terms if one man's "freedoms" compromises anothers man's freedoms, then "freedoms" become a mute point. Now if you spread it all over town that one person is a thief (when he isn't), that is probably much worse than saying an entire demography are thieves. J.M.H.O.

 

[CDNBear]

Old Medic, Bear- I certainly don't have the answers. In general terms if one man's "freedoms" compromises anothers man's freedoms, then "freedoms" become a mute point. Now if you spread it all over town that one person is a thief (when he isn't), that is probably much worse than saying an entire demography are thieves. J.M.H.O.

Society compromises peoples freedoms all the time.

Why is the topic of the deportation of specific groups of people based on ethnicity or religion any more abhorrent than the topic of the deportation of illegal immigrants, or the imprisonment of criminals?

 

[JLM]

Actually if he is directing his message towards specific people then we're venturing into libel/slander which is a whole different ball of wax.

Not if he's telling the truth, especially if he can prove it.

Society compromises peoples freedoms all the time.

Why is the topic of the deportation of specific groups of people based on ethnicity or religion any more abhorrent than the topic of the deportation of illegal immigrants, or the imprisonment of criminals?

I suppose because "based on ethnicity or religion" doesn't substantiate any crime?

 

[CDNBear]

I suppose because "based on ethnicity or religion" doesn't substantiate any crime?

What is crime but an act against a societies prescribed social code.

How was that code set to policy, but through communication.

 

[SLM]

Not if he's telling the truth, especially if he can prove it.

I'm operating under the assumption that his posts reflect his hatred and not actual wrongs. He may perceive them to be wrongs cast judgment upon a wider community, but that doesn't mean that they actually are.

 

[JLM]

I'm operating under the assumption that his posts reflect his hatred and not actual wrongs. He may perceive them to be wrongs cast judgment upon a wider community, but that doesn't mean that they actually are.

I'm guessing he was wronged by a few people of the demographic and is jumping to the conclusion they are all that way. I think he is either nuts or naive enough to actually believe it. In either case prison probably isn't the answer.

 

[Corduroy]

Freedom of speech does not extend the abuse of someone else's rights. Promoting the deportation of fellow Canadians because one doesn't like their looks is bound to get you into hot water.

Whose rights did he abuse?

 

[SLM]

I'm guessing he was wronged by a few people of the demographic and is jumping to the conclusion they are all that way.

Again, just because he perceives that he was wronged doesn't mean he actually was. If someone starts out with a racist attitude or tendency then any perceived slight easily and quickly becomes a huge wrong in his mind, I'm sure.

I think he is either nuts or naive enough to actually believe it. In either case prison probably isn't the answer.

One thing prison will not do is curb his racist tendencies, that I can almost guarantee.

And again we're talking about locking someone up essentially because he has the wrong attitude, wrong being subjective of course (not that I don't agree that his thinking is wrong), and he won't shut up about it.

 

[Nuggler]

:canada: OK, so we're all agreed. Hang him in the morning. :help:

 

[earth_as_one]

I support this person's right to say what they think, even though I find their opinions to be vile.

 

[JLM]

Whose rights did he abuse?

That is a good question..........................possibly no ones!