Quit Picking On Romney

[B00Mer]

This thing I like about the USA and the main difference between Canada and the USA is;

The harder you work in Canada the more the government gets, the harder you work in the USA, the more you get.

The sad situation is so many Canadians feel entitled to the free hand outs paid by tax payers here in Canada, and feel this socialist crap hole that has put Ontario in worst shape than Greece should be paid by the big corporations and middle class..trickle down government.

The government should be a little as possible and butt out of peoples freedoms.

 

[JLM]

I see that you are still unable to answer the base question.:lol:

In the end, a thinly veiled deflection is the response that I expected from you:lol:

Oh, so I'm deflecting?????????????? I think you ARE an idiot, it matters not whether the taxes are imposed by the Feds, the states, the counties, the municipalities, they are ALL a burden equally. If you are going to tie yourself to the apron strings of a political party at least be honest about it, and quit trying to feed us all a bunch of horsesh*t! :smile::smile::smile:

 

[captain morgan]

Oh, so I'm deflecting?????????????? I think you ARE an idiot, it matters not whether the taxes are imposed by the Feds, the states, the counties, the municipalities, they are ALL a burden equally. If you are going to tie yourself to the apron strings of a political party at least be honest about it, and quit trying to feed us all a bunch of horsesh*t!

Way too funny, but not unexpected in the least.

Here's a hint for you on the importance of the distinction between the Fed and the State tax policies: The Feds don't make the State policies (that's why they have separate State elections Einstein).

Clearly you are unaware of that tiny little detail.

That's OK though, you go back to posting on your troll thread. At least it's an area where you do have some depth of experience

 

[JLM]

: The Feds don't make the State policies (that's why they have separate State elections Einstein).

Clearly you are unaware of that tiny little detail.

Why bring that crap up? The only point I was making in response to your statement that only 50% of Americans pay Federal tax is that, that is only one tax burdening people and in some states they pay a disportionate state or municipal tax, hence my comment was regarding the burden NOT the source of the tax! Why is that point so hard to fathom? :smile::smile:

 

[captain morgan]

Why bring that crap up? The only point I was making in response to your statement that only 50% of Americans pay Federal tax is that,

Ummm... I brought it up because the question was about Federal income taxes?

Is this a trick question or something?

 

[DaSleeper]

Question for the U.S. members: How are State income tax calculated?......In Canada each province has a different percentage based on what the federal government charges with Quebec being the highest. What is the table they use in the states or is it all separate????
Can't seem to find an answer unless I download a tax form for each state, and I don't want to do that:smile:

 

[JLM]

Ummm... I brought it up because the question was about Federal income taxes?

Is this a trick question or something?

The following by you is what I responded to............

" Lemme ask you a Q here JLM - Assuming that the IRS isn't lying when they state that roughly 1/2 of the population doesn't pay federal taxes (or qualifies for subsidies that offset any fed taxes they pay) - exactly who is contributing to the tax base to fund society and gvt?"

I was only pointing that others may be contributing equally through higher state taxes.

Question for the U.S. members: How are State income tax calculated?......In Canada each province has a different percentage based on what the federal government charges with Quebec being the highest. What is the table they use in the states or is it all separate????
Can't seem to find an answer unless I download a tax form for each state, and I don't want to do that:smile:

This might help, DaSleeper


State Income Tax Rates - Highest Tax Rates for Each State

 

[captain morgan]

Question for the U.S. members: How are State income tax calculated?......In Canada each province has a different percentage based on what the federal government charges with Quebec being the highest. What is the table they use in the states or is it all separate????
Can't seem to find an answer unless I download a tax form for each state, and I don't want to do that:smile:

Found this example:

How to Calculate Your Combined Federal and State Marginal Tax ...

Marginal Tax Bracket

The tax rate schedules list tax rates for Federal income tax only. It does not include state income tax *(for JLM's benefit). To account for "overlapping" levels of taxation (i.e., the fact that you can deduct state income tax payments on a federal tax return if you itemize deductions), to determine your combined (federal and state) income tax bracket, use the following formula:

(100% - Federal tax bracket) x State tax bracket = Effective State bracket​

For example, if you are in a 3.5% state tax bracket and the 25% Federal tax bracket, your effective state tax bracket would be 3.00%, computed as follows:

(100% - 25%) x 3.5% = .75 x .035 = .03 = 3.00%​

Next, add your effective state bracket to your federal tax bracket to determine your combined tax bracket using the following formula:

Federal tax bracket + Effective state bracket = Combined (state & federal) tax bracket​

In the above example of a taxpayer in the 25% federal tax bracket and a 3.5% state tax bracket, the combined tax rate would be computed as follows:

25% Federal rate + 3% Effective state rate = 28% combined tax rate​

The following by you is what I responded to............

" Lemme ask you a Q here JLM - Assuming that the IRS isn't lying when they state that roughly 1/2 of the population doesn't pay federal taxes (or qualifies for subsidies that offset any fed taxes they pay) - exactly who is contributing to the tax base to fund society and gvt?"

I was only pointing that others may be contributing equally through higher state taxes.

How do you figure that they would be contributing equally?

If 50% of the population pays both Fed and State taxes (Fed being much higher and to fund fed programs) and the other 50% pays NO Fed taxes, but pays a State tax - how is that an equal contribution?

 

[JLM]

How do you figure that they would be contributing equally?

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I'm sorry, I thought I explained it adequately using the example of Oregon property taxes. I'm not absolutely sure that others are contributing equally but before one can say one way or the other, other taxes have to be examined. I'll bet many Nevadans contribute their fair share through their casino! :smile:

 

[captain morgan]

Look at this from an individual perspective. Not all Nevadans pay Federal income tax, but the casinos and their employees do pay Fed and State... 50% of Americans (essentially) pay no federal income taxes (probably includes Nevadans)

That is not an equal contribution.

 

[DaSleeper]

So... in any case... the President and federal gvt. can only be responsible for Federal income tax, since the state taxes are not based on federal taxes like Canada but but separate....
Actualy...it seems that the reverse is true.....The higher the state tax.... the less you pay in federal income tax....although it wouldn't make much of a difference if you don't pay any federal tax:lol:

JLM...I can't see how you're so happy with my post since you are arguing oranges while everybody else is arguing apples:lol:

 

[JLM]

So... in any case... the President and federal gvt. can only be responsible for Federal income tax, since the state taxes are not based on federal taxes like Canada but but separate....
Actualy...it seems that the reverse is true.....The higher the state tax.... the less you pay in federal income tax....although it wouldn't make much of a difference if you don't pay any federal tax:lol:

JLM...I can't see how you're so happy with my post since you are arguing oranges while everybody else is arguing apples:lol:

I generally consider myself a fairly broad minded individual. I don't necessarily give "thumbs up" because I agree with the opinion but I do respect some opinions I don't agree with just because of the thought put into them. Also I'm wrong sometimes, but if I'm to learn I have to see that. I don't object to C.M.'s opinions, just the way he opposes. I probably was comparing "oranges to apples", but just wanted to make the point that Federal income tax assessments don't necessarily show the whole story. I realize too, that the president doesn't have control over all taxes. :smile:

 

[petros]

Years from now will there be proud parents boasting with bumper stickers that read "My child graduated from Mitt Romney Middle School"?

We shall see.

 

[tay]

A longtime aide to George W. Romney issued a harshly worded critique of Mitt Romney, accusing him of shifting political positions in “erratic and startling ways” and failing to live up to the distinguished record of his father, the former governor of Michigan.


Walter De Vries, who worked for the senior Mr. Romney throughout the 1960s, wrote that Mitt Romney’s bid for the White House was “a far cry from the kind of campaign and conduct, as a public servant, I saw during the seven years I worked in George Romney’s campaigns and served him as governor.”

“While it seems that Mitt would say and do anything to close a deal – or an election,” he wrote, “George Romney’s strength as a politician and public officeholder was his ability and determination to develop and hold consistent policy positions over his life.”


This really hits to one of the core messages Obama's campaign has pushed from the beginning, namely that Romney is a candidate without conviction.

A registered independent, who said he voted for Barack Obama in 2008, Mr. De Vries has previously expressed reservations about Mr. Romney’s political postures in interviews, but never with such sweep.

In a telephone interview, he said he was motivated to write the essay by “an accumulation” of Mr. Romney’s actions, like his comment about 47 percent of Americans and his decision to campaign with Donald Trump.

Mr. De Vries said he was annoyed by Mr. Romney’s repeated references recently to his father as inspiration and influence on him.
“I just don’t see it,” he said. “Where is it? Is it on issues, no? On the way he campaigns? No.”

Mr. De Vries continued, “George would never have been seen with the likes of Sheldon Adelson or Donald Trump.”



http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/468968/waltdevries.pdf


and

Romney Is Attacked by His Father's Longtime Aide - NYTimes.com

 

[Locutus]

Poll: Romney’s Likeability Numbers Skyrocket In Wake Of Debate…

Battleground Poll: Mitt more likable



Battleground Poll: Mitt more likable - James Hohmann - POLITICO.com

 

[gopher]

BOOM,

The government should be a little as possible and butt out of peoples freedoms.

We should do the same in the USA ~ shut down the military industrial complex, limit the State Department to the Americas, get out of UN, no welfare for the rich. That'll work for me and all else.

 

[tay]

For a detailed explanation of how the Romney-Ryan tax plan is able to cut taxes by $5 trillion without exploding the deficit or requiring tax hikes on the middle class, simply click the button below.



For all the details on Mitt Romney's 5 trillion dollar tax plan visit ROMNEYTAXPLAN.COM

 

[Locutus]

 

[tay]

Mitt Romney I Stand By what I said Whatever It Was I said




Mitt Romney Will Stand By...Whatever It Is That He Said - YouTube




Fox News removes Romney's answer on the gun control question on their online transcript of tonight's debate.




CROWLEY: Governor Romney, the question is about assault weapons, AK-47s.

ROMNEY: Yeah, I'm not in favor of new pieces of legislation on -- on guns and taking guns away or making certain guns illegal. We have

(AUDIO GAP)


Transcript of second presidential debate | Fox News




Mitt Romney Fox News January 16, 2012


Q: You signed the nation's first ban on assault weapons in Massachusetts and steeply increased fees on gun owners by 400%. How can you convince gun owners that you will be an advocate for them?

ROMNEY: We had a piece of legislation that was crafted both by the pro-gun lobby and the anti-gun lobby. The pro-gun lobby said "this legislation allows us to cross roads with weapons when we're hunting that had not been previously allowed." And the day when we announced our signing, we had both the pro-gun owners and anti-gun folks all together on the stage because it worked. We worked together. We found common ground. My view is that we have the second amendment right to bear arms and my view is also that we should not add new legislation. I know that there are people that think we need new laws. I disagree with that. I believe we have in place all the laws we need. We should enforce those laws. I do not believe in new laws restricting gun ownership and gun use.


Fox News debate in Myrtle Beach, preceding South Carolina Primary




Mitt Romney on gun control -- 2002 - YouTube

 

[Locutus]

Romney Destroys Obama For Benghazi-Gate: 'Then He Flew To Las Vegas For a Fundraiser'

Romney Destroys Obama For Benghazi-Gate: 'Then He Flew To Las Vegas For a Fundraiser' - 2012 Presidential Debates - Fox Nation

Candy melts when she looks at her guy….

CNN and The Obama Administration – Weapons of Misdirection



In the history books of wool-over-sheeple-eye-removal this might, just might, go down as one of the most obvious and over-the-top Machiavellian media manuevers ever.




Watching it unfold on live TV it did not seem right. It was awkwardly and comfortably scripted, and too smooth in execution. But watching it on replay the agenda filled manipulation was obvious. It appears Candy Crowley and CNN together with the Obama Administration scripted the Libyan injection into the Presidential Debate.


I’m not just talking about Candy Crowley interjecting on behalf of President Obama, and interrupting Mitt Romney, I mean the whole segment was a set up. So we did a little research:

Candy Crowley told Erin Burnett on CNN’s show Out Front, Monday Night 10/15, that she had collected the questions from the invited and vetted debate audience at Hofstra University and was reviewing them. This was Monday on the 7pm broadcast of Erin Burnett.

When the question on Libya was asked by audience member Kerry Ladka, he prefaced the question by saying:

….this question actually comes from my, err, um, a brain trust of my friends at Global Telecom Supply in Mineola yesterday, we were sitting around talking about Libya…
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If Candy Crowley already had the audience questions assembled the day before, how could Kerry Ladka and his brain trust friends have been writing one?

Secondly, look at the origin and subject switch from Candy Crowley. When she said “we are changing topics to a question from Kerry… from Kerry Ladka“, Obama already knew what to look for and where he was seated. There are numerous “TELLS“ Watch the video – it is at 1:06:35 Watch.

Watch the Full Town Hall Debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney - YouTube

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President Obama moved (physically walked) directly to Kerry Ladka, and said “Hi Kerry“,… (but oddly Kerry had not moved, nor identified himself) …. then, rut roh,…. after an internal psyche trigger kicked in, President Obama ((‘oops’)) looks around as if to say where am I going… then asks “what’s your name“?


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Just sad and obvious. :lol: