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Quesion about the ascention of Jesus.
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2Co:12:2: I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.Heb:12:22: But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23: To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb:12:24: And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Heb:12:25: See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Heb:12:26: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Heb:12:27: And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb:12:28: Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Cliffy doesn't even like Cliffy, that is shown by a non-religious person posting continuously in/on threads that are specifically geared to, wait for it, religion. That would seem to make him a sucker for self-inflicted punishment, nothing deranged about that. lol[/quote]
I'm not so sure he is non religious, there's a difference between being religious and gobbling up everything in the Bible verbatim. (Are you non religious, Cliff?)
I'm not so sure he is non religious, there's a difference between being religious and gobbling up everything in the Bible verbatim. (Are you non religious, Cliff?)
Y.J. HOW MANY TIMES DO I have to explain it to you? LIBERALS=CONSERVATIVES= LIARS, THIEVES AND THUGS with their snouts in the trough. You and S.J. seem to have this obsession - it's no wonder I keep getting you two confused.
I'm not so sure he is non religious, there's a difference between being religious and gobbling up everything in the Bible verbatim. (Are you non religious, Cliff?)[/quote]
I'm anti-religious, anti-dogma. I am into spirituality which is the personal quest for truth where ever it may be found. That is why I do not adhere to any particular religious or spiritual path or philosophy. Religions breed wars precisely because adherents believe theirs is the only true way and that everybody else is going to hell anyway, so it is not an offense to kill them. The religious have no faith, they have a blind belief in dogma. I believe that there is superior intelligence to humans but it is unknowable to our finite little pea brains so all this adoration and speculation is naught but farting in the wind.
Hell porpoises and whales are more intelligent: they don't work, worry or have religion. Their brain to body mass proportions are greater than humans and they are at constant play. Compared to them, humans are but hairless monkeys.
JLM,
You have to speak very slowly and repeat every sentence several times and even then it is doubtful that you will get him to understand. His mind is like cement. He doesn't want to learn anything beyond his preconceived ideas. I've told him at least a dozen times I'm not an atheist just because I do not believe in the same psychopath as he does. Same with Mhz. Two minds set in stone.
So then you do believe in God, well some God, doesn't have to be the one true God of the Holy Bible.
Pick one that best describes your religion.
1 a: the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices3archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
— re·li·gion·less adjective
If not the above one how about the one below.
1: of, relating to, consisting of, or affecting the spirit : incorporeal <spiritual needs>2 a: of or relating to sacred matters <spiritual songs> b: ecclesiastical rather than lay or temporal <spiritual authority> <lords spiritual>3: concerned with religious values4: related or joined in spirit <our spiritual home> <his spiritual heir>5 a: of or relating to supernatural beings or phenomena b: of, relating to, or involving spiritualism : spiritualistic — spir·i·tu·al·ly adverb
— spir·i·tu·al·ness noun
You harp endlessly about the God of the Holy Bible being somebody you hate. But you are still a religious man. In what way. Being kind and gentle with others might be a sign of a religious man but doing those deed does not make you religious, it makes you a kind and gentle man. The Bible doesn't say they don't exist outside the Church. (nor does it say everyone that calls Christ Lord is really following the rules)
When you harp on the existence of hell you are referencing one God. Saying you won't ever be confronted with hell because you have taken a different path isn't going to work. I don't care if you believe it or not, when commenting on it your are taking a stand about a religious subject, in this case a denial of the existence of God top have more control over you than you do yourself. In this case your journey after death.
Isa:28:15:
Because ye have said,
We have made a covenant with death,
and with hell are we at agreement;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
it shall not come unto us:
for we have made lies our refuge,
and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Isa:28:18:
And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
then ye shall be trodden down by it.
Remember you don't believe in the Bible, Jesus is from the Bible, you don't believe in Jesus. So who is your God? Saying yourself is quite acceptable, wrong but still acceptable.
IN MY OPINION one can have faith in a Higher Power yet have no faith in religion. God - by whichever name makes man comfortable - is for the comfort of man. God - by whichever name is chosen by religion - is for the profit of Church.
So who is your God? Beyond your comprehension. Jesus may or may not have been a real person. Christ was a fiction based on many ancient gods and cultures. The Universe contains all there is. There is nothing else. As far as we can tell at this time, it was created by a massive explosion. Was it god having a brain fart? I don't know and anybody who thinks they know is delusional.
If it would make you feel better, I would think the the Universe is the intelligence that created itself and since we are all part of it, we all have the power to create ourselves. This is probably already beyond your comprehension, so I won't elaborate any farther. Suffice it to say that I think you are wasting your time pursuing the path you are on as much as you think I am. If you knew the history of your book, you would agree with me, but obviously you are not interested in the truth.
You do not believe Jesus, as described , was real.
M't:8:28:
And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes,
there met him two possessed with devils,
coming out of the tombs,
exceeding fierce,
so that no man might pass by that way.
M't:8:29:
And,
behold,
they cried out,
saying,
What have we to do with thee,
Jesus,
thou Son of God?
art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
You believe in Horus and a bunch of others that you say Jesus is a fake based on their existence. If you started a thread about your God Horus I would probably leave it totally alone.
"There is nothing else. As far as we can tell at this time" that means your world is not carved in stone, God did carve things in stone.
A 'big bang' created by God would be more like a hand-fart, add pressure and sooner or later you have sound. (there is no sound in space BTW so it was a flash of light not a loud noise, is science going to correct that before it fades from acceptance). To survive that place you have to be able to walk on fiery stars.
Eze:28:14:
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth;
and I have set thee so:
thou wast upon the holy mountain of God;
thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze:28:16:
By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence,
and thou hast sinned:
therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God:
and I will destroy thee,
O covering cherub,
from the midst of the stones of fire.
M't:8:28:
And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes,
there met him two possessed with devils,
coming out of the tombs,
exceeding fierce,
so that no man might pass by that way.
M't:8:29:
And,
behold,
they cried out,
saying,
What have we to do with thee,
Jesus,
thou Son of God?
art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
You believe in Horus and a bunch of others that you say Jesus is a fake based on their existence. If you started a thread about your God Horus I would probably leave it totally alone.
"There is nothing else. As far as we can tell at this time" that means your world is not carved in stone, God did carve things in stone.
A 'big bang' created by God would be more like a hand-fart, add pressure and sooner or later you have sound. (there is no sound in space BTW so it was a flash of light not a loud noise, is science going to correct that before it fades from acceptance). To survive that place you have to be able to walk on fiery stars.
Eze:28:14:
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth;
and I have set thee so:
thou wast upon the holy mountain of God;
thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze:28:16:
By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence,
and thou hast sinned:
therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God:
and I will destroy thee,
O covering cherub,
from the midst of the stones of fire.
You believe in Horus and a bunch of others that you say Jesus is a fake based on their existence.
Mhz,
Your comprehension is based on what. I never said any of the man made gods were real. I don't believe in any of them. But I do believe they were very real to those who believe in them. As Mark Twain said, "Man created god in his own image." And after seeing how you twist my words to suit your views, I would have to conclude that most of your interpretations of that fictional book of yours are about as accurate.
Mhz,
Your comprehension is based on what. I never said any of the man made gods were real. I don't believe in any of them. But I do believe they were very real to those who believe in them. As Mark Twain said, "Man created god in his own image." And after seeing how you twist my words to suit your views, I would have to conclude that most of your interpretations of that fictional book of yours are about as accurate.
I'm aware of that, I just wanted you to say it. You don't believe in any Gods but do you still call yourself a religious man? If so aren't you redefining religion?
I said I am anti-religious so why would you ask me this question? I am a spiritual man, philosopher and have studied psychology. I do not believe in a personal god and if anything, I might accept the possibility of goddess, Gaia, Mother Earth before any insecure sky god of war, pestilence and revenge. The only people I have met who don't understand the difference between religion and spirituality are the religious. They banter that word about without understanding its meaning.
So being anti-religious should mean a thread with religion connotations (like being found under Christian discussion) should be covered in a few posts. Do you often troll such threads, I recall us chatting quite a bit about the pros and cons and certain meanings. Is your mission to keep Christians from posting in certain threads or areas of the board, in this specific case, Christian discussion. Respect for other forms of life is not a foreign concept to most religious persons.