Quebec Sucks

[DasFX]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

The people can go, the land belongs to Canada.

like your thinking

Based on that thinking, the land and oil in the ground in Alberta belongs to Canada, and discontent Albertans are free to make their exodus to Montana!

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

The people can go, the land belongs to Canada.

like your thinking

Based on that thinking, the land and oil in the ground in Alberta belongs to Canada, and discontent Albertans are free to make their exodus to Montana!

exactly!! :wink:

Either you appreciate/respect what you have and are part of the CA community.......or get the F*** out. A tad harsh?? Tough, as many of the rest of us are sick of the whiners ( the "I want mores") in Alberta and Quebec.

 

[Nascar_James]

Geeze look at the ignorance flowing. Why not get rid of the US completely? I mean heck they are the ones driving the world economy down to crap.

May I remind you that Quebec contributes a lot to the Canadian Society? Heck if you want to get rid of a provice get rid of Newfoundland. What are they good for besides Anne of Green Gables?

W-k is the fact that you hate the french something of ignorance because you can't speak the language? I mean many americans can't speak spanish in states where the latino community is quite high.

Heck don't you think its bad when the police can't speak spanish when they are patrolling a highly latino area and also the police of quebec where they can barely speak english? hehe

I speak english all the time to french people if they can't understand well tis too fookin bad!

I agree with you ... on your last issue only. As an ex-Montrealer now living in Oklahoma, I do not miss the constant language debates and continous language tensions while I was living in Montreal. I would always force the issue and address anyone I was dealing with in English ... no exceptions. It is the language I was educated in while growing up in Montreal and the language I have always used. Having lived in Montreal for over 3 decades, I have learnt that most of the French speaking folks living there do somehow muster up the ability to speak English if they have no alternative.

By the way, there are lots of English speaking police officers working in the Greater Montreal Area.

 

[s_lone]

As an ex-Montrealer now living in Oklahoma, I do not miss the constant language debates and continous language tensions while I was living in Montreal. I would always force the issue and address anyone I was dealing with in English ... no exceptions. It is the language I was educated in while growing up in Montreal and the language I have always used. Having lived in Montreal for over 3 decades, I have learnt that most of the French speaking folks living there do somehow muster up the ability to speak English if they have no alternative.

In my opinion, any English speaker living in Montreal would be pretty foolish not to learn a minimum of French. It's your right to speak the language you want but I think it's a shame that someone living in a bilingual city like Montreal would be stubborn enough to insist on never speaking a single french word.

 

[Nascar_James]

As an ex-Montrealer now living in Oklahoma, I do not miss the constant language debates and continous language tensions while I was living in Montreal. I would always force the issue and address anyone I was dealing with in English ... no exceptions. It is the language I was educated in while growing up in Montreal and the language I have always used. Having lived in Montreal for over 3 decades, I have learnt that most of the French speaking folks living there do somehow muster up the ability to speak English if they have no alternative.

In my opinion, any English speaker living in Montreal would be pretty foolish not to learn a minimum of French. It's your right to speak the language you want but I think it's a shame that someone living in a bilingual city like Montreal would be stubborn enough to insist on never speaking a single french word.

Well, it is the language that generations of folks living in Montreal grew up learning and using day to day. Why change things now? I do not cave in to the Seperatists. I am a conservative minded individual who beleives in traditional values. The main reason I moved down to Oklahma is not language, I could have easily stayed in Montreal with no knowledge of French. I was my birth city and thus my right to stay there. I like Oklahoma cause it is a very conservative state. They do beleive in traditional values here. Most of the folks here attened church on a weekly basis.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

The people can go, the land belongs to Canada.

like your thinking

Based on that thinking, the land and oil in the ground in Alberta belongs to Canada, and discontent Albertans are free to make their exodus to Montana!

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Which of course is wrong as we all know.

 

[peapod]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

oh yes we we! we all know about the wonderful "traditonal values" the church has...they were especially kind to the french. :twisted:

 

[DasFX]

[The main reason I moved down to Oklahma is not language, I could have easily stayed in Montreal with no knowledge of French. I was my birth city and thus my right to stay there. I like Oklahoma cause it is a very conservative state. They do beleive in traditional values here. Most of the folks here attened church on a weekly basis.

Of the 50 states, OK wouldn't be high on my list to move to, but whatever floats your boat. They do have a musical named after them. Oklahoma City is supposed to be pretty nice though.

 

[Vinnie Cappuccino]

RE: Quebec %^$@&$

An english man living in a Prodominatly french city who refuses to speak french is beautiful irony, like a french province in a prodominatly english country fighting to maintain their "cultural diversity".

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Quebec %^$@&$

An english man living in a Prodominatly french city who refuses to speak french is beautiful irony, like a french province in a prodominatly english country fighting to maintain their "cultural diversity".

Predominately French? Certainly not. Montreal is equally bilingual. It has 2 English universities and 2 French ones. It has English hospitals and French ones. It has English school boards and French ones (although I liked it better when we had the religion based school boards).

Actually, most of the street names in downtown Montreal are English (City Councillors Street, Union Street, University Street, McGill College Street, Peel Street, Beaver Hall Hill, St. James Street, Metcalfe Street, McTavish Street, Crescent Street, Drummond Street, Atwater Street, Lincoln Street, President Kennedy Street ...etc)

What gives you the impression Montreal is predominately French? I don't get it??? I have lived in Montreal for over 3 decades. In addition, sections like the West Island are predominately English!

 

[Cathou]

Re: RE: Quebec %^$@&$

An english man living in a Prodominatly french city who refuses to speak french is beautiful irony, like a french province in a prodominatly english country fighting to maintain their "cultural diversity".

Predominately French? Certainly not. Montreal is equally bilingual. It has 2 English universities and 2 French ones. It has English hospitals and French ones. It has English school boards and French ones (although I liked it better when we had the religion based school boards).

Actually, most of the street names in downtown Montreal are English (City Councillors Street, Union Street, University Street, McGill College Street, Peel Street, Beaver Hall Hill, St. James Street, Metcalfe Street, McTavish Street, Crescent Street, Drummond Street, Atwater Street, Lincoln Street, President Kennedy Street ...etc)

What gives you the impression Montreal is predominately French? I don't get it??? I have lived in Montreal for over 3 decades. In addition, sections like the West Island are predominately English!

and if you have go just a little to the east, well there it's mostly french... if i go with 2001 numbers, montreal was at 63.8% french, and 22,5% english. doesnt seem that equally bilingual to me

 

[Jay]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

oh yes we we! we all know about the wonderful "traditonal values" the church has...they were especially kind to the french. :twisted:

What did the Church do to the French Pea?

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Quebec %^$@&$

An english man living in a Prodominatly french city who refuses to speak french is beautiful irony, like a french province in a prodominatly english country fighting to maintain their "cultural diversity".

Predominately French? Certainly not. Montreal is equally bilingual. It has 2 English universities and 2 French ones. It has English hospitals and French ones. It has English school boards and French ones (although I liked it better when we had the religion based school boards).

Actually, most of the street names in downtown Montreal are English (City Councillors Street, Union Street, University Street, McGill College Street, Peel Street, Beaver Hall Hill, St. James Street, Metcalfe Street, McTavish Street, Crescent Street, Drummond Street, Atwater Street, Lincoln Street, President Kennedy Street ...etc)

What gives you the impression Montreal is predominately French? I don't get it??? I have lived in Montreal for over 3 decades. In addition, sections like the West Island are predominately English!

and if you have go just a little to the east, well there it's mostly french... if i go with 2001 numbers, montreal was at 63.8% french, and 22,5% english. doesnt seem that equally bilingual to me

Don't forget, most of the others (ie immigrants) pick English over French. Particularly the well established immigrants (Jewish, Italians, Greek ...etc). So English actually represents way more than 22.5%.

 

[Cathou]

Re: RE: Quebec %^$@&$

An english man living in a Prodominatly french city who refuses to speak french is beautiful irony, like a french province in a prodominatly english country fighting to maintain their "cultural diversity".

Predominately French? Certainly not. Montreal is equally bilingual. It has 2 English universities and 2 French ones. It has English hospitals and French ones. It has English school boards and French ones (although I liked it better when we had the religion based school boards).

Actually, most of the street names in downtown Montreal are English (City Councillors Street, Union Street, University Street, McGill College Street, Peel Street, Beaver Hall Hill, St. James Street, Metcalfe Street, McTavish Street, Crescent Street, Drummond Street, Atwater Street, Lincoln Street, President Kennedy Street ...etc)

What gives you the impression Montreal is predominately French? I don't get it??? I have lived in Montreal for over 3 decades. In addition, sections like the West Island are predominately English!

and if you have go just a little to the east, well there it's mostly french... if i go with 2001 numbers, montreal was at 63.8% french, and 22,5% english. doesnt seem that equally bilingual to me

Don't forget, most of the others (ie immigrants) pick English over French. Particularly the well established immigrants (Jewish, Italians, Greek ...etc). So English actually represents way more than 22.5%.

what i gave is the % of people using english at home. italian that speak italian at home are not english...

by the same number, 14% in montreal dont use french at work and the same percentage dont know french. But 29% know only french and 57% know both language

 

[Reivilo]

RE: Quebec %^$@&$

I need to agree that French in Montréal become less popular. But if you move farther east, in Saint-Hyacinthe for example (60 000 inhabitants), there is approximatively 85% of the people that can just speak French and 15% that speak both language. And if we take the city of Québec, there's not that much people that speak only English...

Québec is French and I hope it'll stay for a while

 

[Reivilo]

RE: Quebec %^$@&$

Here's an interesting fact:

in per cent %

NEWFOUNDLAND
95.7% CAN SPEAK ENGLISH ONLY
0.03% CAN SPEAK FRENCH ONLY
4.1% CAN SPEAK FRENCH AND ENGLISH

PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND
87.9% CAN SPEAK ENGLISH ONLY
0.07% CAN SPEAK FRENCH ONLY
12.0% CAN SPEAK FRENCH AND ENGLISH

NOUVEAU BRUNSWICK
56.6% CAN SPEAK ENGLISH ONLY
9.2% CAN SPEAK FRENCH ONLY
34.2% CAN SPEAK FRENCH AND ENGLISH

QUÉBEC
4.6% CAN SPEAK ENGLISH ONLY
53.8% CAN SPEAK FRENCH ONLY
40.8% CAN SPEAK FRENCH AND ENGLISH

As you noticed, only 5% of the population of the province of Québec speaks only English!

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Quebec %^$@&$

An english man living in a Prodominatly french city who refuses to speak french is beautiful irony, like a french province in a prodominatly english country fighting to maintain their "cultural diversity".

Predominately French? Certainly not. Montreal is equally bilingual. It has 2 English universities and 2 French ones. It has English hospitals and French ones. It has English school boards and French ones (although I liked it better when we had the religion based school boards).

Actually, most of the street names in downtown Montreal are English (City Councillors Street, Union Street, University Street, McGill College Street, Peel Street, Beaver Hall Hill, St. James Street, Metcalfe Street, McTavish Street, Crescent Street, Drummond Street, Atwater Street, Lincoln Street, President Kennedy Street ...etc)

What gives you the impression Montreal is predominately French? I don't get it??? I have lived in Montreal for over 3 decades. In addition, sections like the West Island are predominately English!

and if you have go just a little to the east, well there it's mostly french... if i go with 2001 numbers, montreal was at 63.8% french, and 22,5% english. doesnt seem that equally bilingual to me

Don't forget, most of the others (ie immigrants) pick English over French. Particularly the well established immigrants (Jewish, Italians, Greek ...etc). So English actually represents way more than 22.5%.

what i gave is the % of people using english at home. italian that speak italian at home are not english...

by the same number, 14% in montreal dont use french at work and the same percentage dont know french. But 29% know only french and 57% know both language

Don't know about Italians, but while I was living in Montreal I did know some folks who are Greek-Canadian (their parents were born in Greece, they were born in Montreal). I recall they spoke Greek amungst themselves, however they were educated in English in Montreal and their French was very limited (almost no knowledge).

So even though they spoke Greek amungst themselves, they are really English speakers when communicating with the general public. So your statistics here are not applicable nor accurate.

I am sure this analogy applies to other English speaking immigrants as well (i.e East Indians, Filipinos, Israelis ...etc). These are all immigrants in Montreal who have a language other than English as their mother tongue, but use English in their day to day lives.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Quebec %^$@&$

I need to agree that French in Montréal become less popular. But if you move farther east, in Saint-Hyacinthe for example (60 000 inhabitants), there is approximatively 85% of the people that can just speak French and 15% that speak both language. And if we take the city of Québec, there's not that much people that speak only English...

Québec is French and I hope it'll stay for a while

You do not have to worry about maintaining French outside of Montreal. Aside from the Eastern Townships, there are very few English Speakers in the rest of Quebec. I actually like the social climate around the Quebec City area. It is somewhat of a social conservative climate of French-speakers.

 

[Vinnie Cappuccino]

RE: Quebec %^$@&$

I was just tryin to make an interesting analogy, that's all. I guess it might have not been so great, ....but it was the best I Could do... (elton john haha)

 

[Cathou]

Re: RE: Quebec %^$@&$

So even though they spoke Greek amungst themselves, they are really English speakers when communicating with the general public. So your statistics here are not applicable nor accurate.

I am sure this analogy applies to other English speaking immigrants as well (i.e East Indians, Filipinos, Israelis ...etc). These are all immigrants in Montreal who have a language other than English as their mother tongue, but use English in their day to day lives.

ok then montreal in 2001 :

those who claim to know french : 86%
those who claim to know english : 68.6%

sure montreal is bilingual, but east of atwater it's more much french, and east of anjou you can have trouble to get services in english